Toney Freeman Arrested in Sweden

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As opposed to what? So my relatives know how to blow themselves up? That’s quite an assumption. How would you saying something disprove anything? Especially since I don’t even know you or am able to in some magic way check that you indeed are telling the truth? So, me telling you that my brother is also alive helps validate my argument. Oh, and here I thought you would make things harder for me.

Furthermore, what does paedophilia and moral behaviour rules have anything to do with it? I am by no means a Muslim nor is my family, but for the sake of argument lets pretend I am. So now not only am I a terrorist (or my brother) I am also a paedophile and I have moral issues. Wow, must be Christmas already because I haven’t felt this much love in ages.

Who is being pretentious here dickwad? You want me to sit and laugh while you blatantly call my brother a suicide-bomber? I’m sorry that I don’t share your sense of humour, must be too much Islam in me.

With you in the family, the real miracle is the fact that your relatives still haven’t blown themselves to bits and pieces.

Yey! You speak Swedish too! Herregud, are you having trouble choosing which side to adapt to? Are you Swedish, American or retarded? Must be the latter because the first two at least have some brain-cells. Damn, I should stop writing now. Making false assumptions and plotting personal attacks isn’t my thing. I guess I should let you to it.

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  1. Asoss has managed to make me dislike him and the rest of Sweden for allowing him to live there.

  2. Has anyone considered what the larger impact is of having a society (and trying to enforce the ways of that society on all others outside that society) that judges people as being CRIMINAL and NEGATIVE just for being more than average?

They are truly arresting guys just for being muscular. What impact will that have on youth watching this happen?

How long before they also believe that anyone with ANY amount of muscle at all is either on drugs or an abomination to society?

Any guess about how “masculine” men will look and be in that society in generations to come if this idea is allowed to grow even larger than it is now?

If you live in a country that can take you to jail at a night club because you like biceps curls, you may want to consider becoming an activist or simply moving.

I also wonder why the guys who post here seem not worried at all. I guess there aren’t that many Swedish people here who look like they lift seriously.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
2. Has anyone considered what the larger impact is of having a society (and trying to enforce the ways of that society on all others outside that society) that judges people as being CRIMINAL and NEGATIVE just for being more than average?

They are truly arresting guys just for being muscular. What impact will that have on youth watching this happen?

How long before they also believe that anyone with ANY amount of muscle at all is either on drugs or an abomination to society?
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That’s not our society. That’s your society. Almost every unjust steroid accusation I’ve seen ahs come from America. At least this cop accused someone who competes at 280+ pounds, who is a little more likely to have used than this guy: A Reason for War? - Off Topic - Forums - T Nation

One man did this. He’s not a representative of our society or our politics, since he acted outside the law.

[quote]Any guess about how “masculine” men will look and be in that society in generations to come if this idea is allowed to grow even larger than it is now?

If you live in a country that can take you to jail at a night club because you like biceps curls, you may want to consider becoming an activist or simply moving.

I also wonder why the guys who post here seem not worried at all. I guess there aren’t that many Swedish people here who look like they lift seriously.[/quote]

Hitting me where it hurts. I weigh a mere 200 pounds. Magnus Samuelsson has been walking around at an incredible size for at least 20 years. A 350 pound man with 24 inch arms is no joke. No, I’m not bigger than he is, so why would I be worried? Why would you be worried?

If you are one of the worlds best bodybuilders and you want to visit Sweden without having to pee in a cup, just stay out of Sundsvall, a town with a population of 50 000 people. That shouldn’t be so hard.

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[quote]kakno wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
2. Has anyone considered what the larger impact is of having a society (and trying to enforce the ways of that society on all others outside that society) that judges people as being CRIMINAL and NEGATIVE just for being more than average?

They are truly arresting guys just for being muscular. What impact will that have on youth watching this happen?

How long before they also believe that anyone with ANY amount of muscle at all is either on drugs or an abomination to society?
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That’s not our society. That’s your society. Almost every unjust steroid accusation I’ve seen ahs come from America. At least this cop accused someone who competes at 280+ pounds, who is a little more likely to have used than this guy: A Reason for War? - Off Topic - Forums - T Nation

One man did this. He’s not a representative of our society or our politics, since he acted outside the law.

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Well since there was no repercussions on his end, he effectively created a new law. A law that goes unenforced (whatever your country calls probable cause) is not really a law.

Whats to stop anyone else from doing exactly what he did?

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[quote]kakno wrote:
That’s not our society. That’s your society. Almost every unjust steroid accusation I’ve seen ahs come from America. At least this cop accused someone who competes at 280+ pounds, who is a little more likely to have used than this guy: A Reason for War? - Off Topic - Forums - T Nation

One man did this. He’s not a representative of our society or our politics, since he acted outside the law.

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X said nothing about steroid accusations, just that it is ridiculous for being looked at as criminal because you are bigger and stronger than the apparent small couch potatoes who live in your country. If you ask any of us larger guys on this board from the States if we have been verbally accused or asked if we take steroids, I am pretty sure most of us would say, “yes”. But being verbally accused is MUCH different than being hauled away and having your dignity violated and being treated like a hardcore criminal simply because you look different than the brainwashed sheeple walking around you.

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If you are one of the worlds best bodybuilders and you want to visit Sweden without having to pee in a cup, just stay out of Sundsvall, a town with a population of 50 000 people. That shouldn’t be so hard.[/quote]

Why? If your country is as great as you say it is, shouldn’t I be able to go wherever I want? That’s tantamount to telling me not to go into a certain neighborhood because I “don’t belong”. You have obviously been drinking the Kool Aid for a VERY long time to NOT recognize the passive fascism of your statement.

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[quote]debraD wrote:

therajraj, you’ve successfully convinced me that the rape charges might actually be legit. Good job!

lol[/quote]

Gotta agree. Talk about sticking your foot in your mouth. Actually looks like he got both feet and both arms to fit…

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

therajraj, you’ve successfully convinced me that the rape charges might actually be legit. Good job!

lol[/quote]

Gotta agree. Talk about sticking your foot in your mouth. Actually looks like he got both feet and both arms to fit…[/quote]

x3. I thought the charges were bullshit just from the soundbites I got from the news and people talking about it. But if what Raj wrote is true, I hope he does get put away for rape.

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
X said nothing about steroid accusations, just that it is ridiculous for being looked at as criminal because you are bigger and stronger than the apparent small couch potatoes who live in your country. If you ask any of us larger guys on this board from the States if we have been verbally accused or asked if we take steroids, I am pretty sure most of us would say, “yes”. But being verbally accused is MUCH different than being hauled away and having your dignity violated and being treated like a hardcore criminal simply because you look different than the brainwashed sheeple walking around you.
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Being big doesn’t make you a criminal. But with the current legislation, taking steroids without a prescription does. That’s why the steroid accusation part is part of being seen as criminal.

Hardcore criminal? No. He was driven to the police station, peed in a cup, said that he’d used T, GH and weed outside Sweden, then was free to go. That’s not how we handle our hardcore criminals. Yes, he was treated badly, but not as badly as some imply.

And while I won’t say it’s impossible to be that size and condition as a natural, it probably isn’t as likely as the alternative.

You can go there, but there is a possibility that the overzealous cop will want your urine. Judging by the responses in this thread, some would hate being treated like that, which I can understand. What I meant is that it hasn’t happened outside Sundsvall, and that you’re probably as safe in the rest of Sweden as you are at home. Some things sound better in my head than in writing, sorry.

Bonez: I have no answer. It’s not a good system.

and @ that dude who jokes about suicide bombings: it isn’t funny.

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[quote]kakno wrote:

Being big doesn’t make you a criminal. But with the current legislation, taking steroids without a prescription does. That’s why the steroid accusation part is part of being seen as criminal.

Hardcore criminal? No. He was driven to the police station, peed in a cup, said that he’d used T, GH and weed outside Sweden, then was free to go. That’s not how we handle our hardcore criminals. Yes, he was treated badly, but not as badly as some imply. [/quote]

Are you serious? Why would anyone want their medical information WORLD WIDE PUBLIC INFO? This man was humiliated world wide because of this when he has a precription…but it isn’t that bad?

What? They just posted a link where some guy who looks like he just started lifting this year was arrested at a night club by a lady cop who thought he was too big to be natural. You seem to STILL be taking the stance that being that big indicates use when they are arresting anyone it seems with big arms.

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Not sure how the laws apply abroad, but I know that in certain states here in the U.S.A that you can get Minor in Possession (MIP) tickets for having alcohol in your system. Some laws consider you to be in “possession” simply by having the substance in your system.

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[quote]SquatDeepHomie wrote:
Not sure how the laws apply abroad, but I know that in certain states here in the U.S.A that you can get Minor in Possession (MIP) tickets for having alcohol in your system. Some laws consider you to be in “possession” simply by having the substance in your system.[/quote]

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A MINOR isn’t supposed to be drinking at all. We are talking about adults, not bs laws meant to keep teens in check. I don’t agree with some of them having a state enforced curfew either.

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Well I didn’t want to respond since this thread was supposed to be about Toney Freeman…

But I will say I’m glad North American lawmakers do not think like the people in this thread. According to that Yahoo article I posted it’s extremely difficult to convict someone of rape on lack of consent alone in the US. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a similar situation in Canada.

But hey of course it’s rape I mean it’s normal for most rape victims to throw a party for their attackers the following day right? LOL.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]kakno wrote:

Being big doesn’t make you a criminal. But with the current legislation, taking steroids without a prescription does. That’s why the steroid accusation part is part of being seen as criminal.

Hardcore criminal? No. He was driven to the police station, peed in a cup, said that he’d used T, GH and weed outside Sweden, then was free to go. That’s not how we handle our hardcore criminals. Yes, he was treated badly, but not as badly as some imply. [/quote]

Are you serious? Why would anyone want their medical information WORLD WIDE PUBLIC INFO? This man was humiliated world wide because of this when he has a precription…but it isn’t that bad?

What? They just posted a link where some guy who looks like he just started lifting this year was arrested at a night club by a lady cop who thought he was too big to be natural. You seem to STILL be taking the stance that being that big indicates use when they are arresting anyone it seems with big arms.

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X, it’s obvious that kakno can’t have any serious size on him yet or he wouldn’t be taking this stance. He is still probably is at the stage where if he is accused of having steroids he will take it as a compliment as opposed to an annoyance.

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]kakno wrote:

Being big doesn’t make you a criminal. But with the current legislation, taking steroids without a prescription does. That’s why the steroid accusation part is part of being seen as criminal.

Hardcore criminal? No. He was driven to the police station, peed in a cup, said that he’d used T, GH and weed outside Sweden, then was free to go. That’s not how we handle our hardcore criminals. Yes, he was treated badly, but not as badly as some imply. [/quote]

Are you serious? Why would anyone want their medical information WORLD WIDE PUBLIC INFO? This man was humiliated world wide because of this when he has a precription…but it isn’t that bad?

What? They just posted a link where some guy who looks like he just started lifting this year was arrested at a night club by a lady cop who thought he was too big to be natural. You seem to STILL be taking the stance that being that big indicates use when they are arresting anyone it seems with big arms.

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X, it’s obvious that kakno can’t have any serious size on him yet or he wouldn’t be taking this stance. He is still probably is at the stage where if he is accused of having steroids he will take it as a compliment as opposed to an annoyance.[/quote]

Agreed…but what gets me is that he seems to agree with it on some level. I guess that is the way your mind works even subconsciously after having this bullshit filling your skull for years.

My guess is guys living there will always make lesser progress as well seeing as they live in a society that tries that hard to label someone as a criminal.

I wonder in what other aspects this affects guys who do stand out. What do they say behind their backs over there? It seems like negative gossip could have potentially life destroying effects as opposed to simply being “talk”.

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This is going to sound like I’m flaming, but I’m really just curious, as I have never been in this position(trouble in another country, or really in a tough neighborhood), but to those mentioning you should be able to visit anywhere in Sweden safely, what about some of the rough places in the US? I understand the difference being in the tough spots in the US it is gangs, not cops, roughing people up, I’m just wondering if yall have an opinion on it.

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Weird thread. Takes some doing to make this about race, or Wikileaks. The Swedes have pretty draconian AAS laws (and that’s saying something, coming from a Norwegian). If I were a pro BB I’d simply stay away from Sweden until the dust settles.

This is all about setting an example, and it’s about that holy grail called “no tolerance” towards drugs (drugs in general). Please don’t read anything more into it than that.

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[quote]Asoss wrote:
As opposed to what? So my relatives know how to blow themselves up? That’s quite an assumption. How would you saying something disprove anything? Especially since I don’t even know you or am able to in some magic way check that you indeed are telling the truth? So, me telling you that my brother is also alive helps validate my argument. Oh, and here I thought you would make things harder for me.

Furthermore, what does paedophilia and moral behaviour rules have anything to do with it? I am by no means a Muslim nor is my family, but for the sake of argument lets pretend I am. So now not only am I a terrorist (or my brother) I am also a paedophile and I have moral issues. Wow, must be Christmas already because I haven’t felt this much love in ages.

Who is being pretentious here dickwad? You want me to sit and laugh while you blatantly call my brother a suicide-bomber? I’m sorry that I don’t share your sense of humour, must be too much Islam in me.

With you in the family, the real miracle is the fact that your relatives still haven’t blown themselves to bits and pieces.

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Min kurdiska brorsa lyser upp julnatten, gjorde kaoz med sig sjÃ?lv.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Are you serious? Why would anyone want their medical information WORLD WIDE PUBLIC INFO? This man was humiliated world wide because of this when he has a precription…but it isn’t that bad?[/quote]
That’s not what I said. Some of you fail to understand that he was let go immediately and not thrown out of the country.

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What? They just posted a link where some guy who looks like he just started lifting this year was arrested at a night club by a lady cop who thought he was too big to be natural. You seem to STILL be taking the stance that being that big indicates use when they are arresting anyone it seems with big arms.[/quote]
Fine. You have two examples. Ever. That doesn’t mean that you or anyone would be arrested if you came here. There will always be idiots and “far outside values”. In any country.

Still? my two last posts were the first in which I wrote that maybe the cop wasn’t too far off. I disagree with the cop’s decision, since Toney hasn’t done anything wrong in Sweden, or in any other country for that matter. He shouldn’t be taken in for questioning, the police have bigger things to worry about and this was just a waste of the tax payers’ money.

I’m arguing against you because you say that this will happen to any seriously big guy who sets foot in Sweden, which simply isn’t true. I don’t support the cop’s decision or have anything against big guys. Don’t try to make it sound like I do.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
X, it’s obvious that kakno can’t have any serious size on him yet or he wouldn’t be taking this stance. He is still probably is at the stage where if he is accused of having steroids he will take it as a compliment as opposed to an annoyance.[/quote]

Agreed…but what gets me is that he seems to agree with it on some level. I guess that is the way your mind works even subconsciously after having this bullshit filling your skull for years.

My guess is guys living there will always make lesser progress as well seeing as they live in a society that tries that hard to label someone as a criminal.

I wonder in what other aspects this affects guys who do stand out. What do they say behind their backs over there? It seems like negative gossip could have potentially life destroying effects as opposed to simply being “talk”. [/quote]
I’m not what you would call big. I actually have been accused of taking steroids, and while it made me burst out laughing, it also annoyed me.

On some level? Yes, on the level that it isn’t that far-fetched to think that Freeman has taken steroids at some point in his life. It doesn’t mean that I support what the cop did.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]kakno wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
First off, don’t give me that BS, unless you have a degree in law you are no in position to discuss it anymore than I am.

Secondly, unless the news reports on the case are completely wrong, he is being charged with rape for insisting on having sex without a condom. The other case was having sex with a chick who was sleeping that he just finished having sex with. Not to mention these two “victims” tweeted and blogged about hooking up with Assange shortly after the “incident.” There was no fucking force in either incident. The definition of rape is ridiculously broad in Sweden, according to the reports in many countries this would NOT be considered rape. He had consent from both these women previously.

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Fine, I’ll widen the circle. To discuss the laws in Sweden, you have to have read the law you’re discussing. Or have had it explained to you by someone who understands it. That’s bare minimum, and you don’t reach that.

You read an article online. Written by some confused woman who’s talking about “sex by surprise”. A term that doesn’t exist. Sorry, but it doesn’t mean that you know anything about Swedish law.[/quote]

Here’s another one explained by lawyers: http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20101208/wl_csm/348217

He was having consensual sex with a chick, the condom broke mid-way and he kept going and apparently she withdrew consent. That is considered rape in Sweden. Wow. Withdrawing consent midway???

Also having sex with a sleeping woman you just had consensual sex with is also considered rape. LOL.

The funny part is these two girls went to the police together after because they were worried about contracting HIV. When they explained it to the officers, the officers had told them that that was considered rape. LOL. A woman KNOWS when she is being raped. the fact they had to be explained to them it was rape just shows how fucked the laws regarding rape in Sweden truly are.[/quote]

Consent can be drawn midway through in the united states and I assume canada.

Say youre giving it to a lady, and midway throught you tell her that her thighs are fat, she cant cook and all manner of insulting things. She probably wants you to get the fuck off.

Now lets say the condom breaks and you RISK IMPREGNATING HER.

Edit: Timely, I know.

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[quote]Nards wrote:
Whoa! what is you sayed behind my back when i are not inline?[/quote]

You know its true.