[quote]marijuology wrote:
Tom Cruise may not qualify as a “vicious criminal” if he is genuinely unaware of Scientology’s criminal nature or doesn’t believe it, but I find that unlikely. If he is aware of what scientology does and still promotes it, then he is an accessory in scientology’s crimes. The end.[/quote]
As someone who’s had close family involved with Scientology I can pretty much guarantee that Cruise does not believe Scientology has a criminal nature. As a general rule practicing Scientologists believe that it is good. More importantly, it’s banged into their heads that anyone who says something bad about the church is trying to hurt them and/or is evil, so it is very difficult to get them to even consider the idea that Scientology has some problems.
Cruise is treated like royalty by Scientology, and I doubt that he has EVER sat down and seriously considered whether or not Scientology is a vicious criminal enterprise, in my experience I never ran into any practicing Scientologists who had. That part usually comes after they leave.
I do not understand scientology. It’s from a STORY someone INVENTED.
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Shit, I’ll say it…all religions are stories that someone made up and have had people brainwashed into belief. All that believe in a religion are in some way “made” to believe. Which is why I do not subscribe to a religion anymore.
I don’t get all the hate for Tom Cruise. Sure he’s an idiotic celebrity. But many other celebritys are just as stupid if not stupider. Tom Cruise’s stance on drugs are moronically backed up, but nevertheless true to some extent. America IS overly medicated. What happened to America? 50 years ago nobody needed drugs to function and control their “sickness”.
Ironically enough that was the time people actually had parents who were there for them and things to do beside moap around all day watching “Laguna Beach”, “The Simple Life” and other highly intelligent reality tv-shows which enforce standards which aren’t real in the first place, to children who feel out-of-place because their lives are meaningless without proper virtues because they come home every day and have nothing to do.
I bet all of us would be medicated for symptons we used to show in schools back when we were kids. It is really scary looking at America and seeing how things like personal responsibility have been ripped to shreds. You used to be able to call a spade a spade but nowadays you can’t call a fat kid fat because “he can’t do anything about it”.
I’m not saying there aren’t exceptions where medication actually is needed, but seriously how can something suddenly become so fucking prevalent all of a sudden. The amount of people taking these drugs are in epidemic proportions. A lot of them without any conselling or alternative methods. The real wounds keep bleeding behind the amphetamins, instead of being treated. And drug companys are earning billions at the same time.
Most of the medication used nowadays was made for completely different purposes and later marketed as anti-depressants. In many cases it’s pure hit and miss if they’ll work at all. And even if they do work, it’s like giving speed to someone and not expecting them to act hyper. Some drugs have placebo effects but still the side effects are terrible as well which can lead to an even more decadent situation.
That being said Tom is every bit as silly as every other religious Hollywood freak, and I’d prefer him and others equally bashed if that’s what keeps you people going. I personally only care about how entertaining or skilled the person is and not his or her beliefs, and would love to be able to avoid gossip about celebrities, but it is unavoidable and a guilty pleasure once in while.
[quote]ill wrote:
I don’t get all the hate for Tom Cruise. Sure he’s an idiotic celebrity. But many other celebritys are just as stupid if not stupider. Tom Cruise’s stance on drugs are moronically backed up, but nevertheless true to some extent. America IS overly medicated. What happened to America? 50 years ago nobody needed drugs to function and control their “sickness”.
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I agere with this. I think the knee jerk reaction to what was stated is ridiculous. There are too many people medicated as of late. What happened to getting to the bottom of what was causing the problem? Does anyone truly believe that suddenly so many kids have attention deficit disorder?
Perhaps they are just being kids. At least 50% of the patients I see on a daily basis are on some kind of antidepressant. Is anyone going to claim that this is a good thing? Tom Cruise isn’t a doctor so I don’t get why so many people are hating the man for his stance on medications. I wouldn’t exactly expect the best response from someone who doesn’t even have a college education.
He’s an actor. I just don’t get why so many seem to go out of their way to act as if they are taking a stand against Tom Cruise. There are other more valiant causes to stand for. Who gives a shit about Scientology?
Love him or hate him, Cruise has delivered some of the best performances. That cannot be denied.
The South Park episode was great. I didnt know Isaac quit over it. As was pointed out before, he didnt have a problem making fun over catholics, jews, gays, whitey, etc.
I do not understand scientology. It’s from a STORY someone INVENTED.
Well, um, nevermind…
Shit, I’ll say it…all religions are stories that someone made up and have had people brainwashed into belief. All that believe in a religion are in some way “made” to believe. Which is why I do not subscribe to a religion anymore. [/quote]
I was thinking this too. All cultures make up stories to explain what they do not understand. The only difference with scientology is that the stories were codified during our time. I would like to point out that mormons are accepted (mostly) and they were “invented” in the 1800s. Maybe in another 100 years their will be a University of Scientology in Hollywood. I picture a large Cruise statue out front…maybe even Tom Cruise University.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Eclectic wrote:
I wasn’t planning to watch MI3 anyway.
I’ll watch it because I don’t give a shit. Tom Cruise seems like an airhead…just like most actors. The others just don’t get as much exposure for every idiotic thing they say. It isn’t like deep philosophical debates are going on right now in the Hilton household. I like South Park for the most part and it sucks that an actor can shut down the showing of a show for something like this…HOWEVER, the largest focus for any hatred of the situation should be on…get ready for it…here it comes…almost there…THE OWNERS OF THE FUCKING NETWORKS WHO CARE THIS MUCH ABOUT THE MONEY ONE MOVIE WILL RAKE IN THIS SUMMER.
Getting mad at Tom Cruise for this is like getting mad that professional athletes get paid so much while ignoring the simple fact that somebody who actually owns the team and doesn’t play, coach or anything else is making MUCH MORE.[/quote]
It’s not like I don’t want to watch it because I hate Cruise. I decide on the quality of a film based on production and acting.
What I’m saying is, I doubt that this movie is THAT good that Cruise needs to overglorify it.
[quote]vaughn5000 wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
Love him or hate him, Cruise has delivered some of the best performances. That cannot be denied.
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He was good in a number of films, but I can’t say that I was blown away by any of his performances. He also hasn’t demonstrated any range as far as I know.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I agere with this. I think the knee jerk reaction to what was stated is ridiculous. There are too many people medicated as of late. What happened to getting to the bottom of what was causing the problem? Does anyone truly believe that suddenly so many kids have attention deficit disorder?
Perhaps they are just being kids. At least 50% of the patients I see on a daily basis are on some kind of antidepressant. Is anyone going to claim that this is a good thing? Tom Cruise isn’t a doctor so I don’t get why so many people are hating the man for his stance on medications. I wouldn’t exactly expect the best response from someone who doesn’t even have a college education.
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The fact that there may be too many people medicated as of late does not justify Cruise’s stance. He’s saying that all psychiatric medication is bad in all cases, that all psychiatrists are ill-intentioned quacks and that all of psychiatry is a pseudoscience. This position is obviously derived from Scientology, which literally teaches that psychiatry is a massive worldwide consipracy to destroy Scientology and conquer the world. And Tom Cruise is coming onto national television disgusing this idiocy as a moderate, rational position and pretending to be concerned about the world when in fact he is just promoting Scientology’s goal of destroying psychiatry. He’s an idiot, and he doesn’t deserve anything except criticism even if he makes one or two valid points among all the bullshit he spews.
[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
vaughn5000 wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
Love him or hate him, Cruise has delivered some of the best performances. That cannot be denied.
Are you fucking joking?
He was good in a number of films, but I can’t say that I was blown away by any of his performances. He also hasn’t demonstrated any range as far as I know.[/quote]
There are very few actors who actually have that much “range”. Morgan Freeman may be one of them, but most actors are picked for roles because of the image they display when acting, not because one actor has so much “range” for different characters.
[quote]marijuology wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I agere with this. I think the knee jerk reaction to what was stated is ridiculous. There are too many people medicated as of late. What happened to getting to the bottom of what was causing the problem? Does anyone truly believe that suddenly so many kids have attention deficit disorder?
Perhaps they are just being kids. At least 50% of the patients I see on a daily basis are on some kind of antidepressant. Is anyone going to claim that this is a good thing? Tom Cruise isn’t a doctor so I don’t get why so many people are hating the man for his stance on medications. I wouldn’t exactly expect the best response from someone who doesn’t even have a college education.
The fact that there may be too many people medicated as of late does not justify Cruise’s stance. He’s saying that all psychiatric medication is bad in all cases, that all psychiatrists are ill-intentioned quacks and that all of psychiatry is a pseudoscience. This position is obviously derived from Scientology, which literally teaches that psychiatry is a massive worldwide consipracy to destroy Scientology and conquer the world. And Tom Cruise is coming onto national television disgusing this idiocy as a moderate, rational position and pretending to be concerned about the world when in fact he is just promoting Scientology’s goal of destroying psychiatry. He’s an idiot, and he doesn’t deserve anything except criticism even if he makes one or two valid points among all the bullshit he spews.
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I could care less about his Scientology stance. That was my point. Tom isn’t a doctor. He isn’t educated in any field so why do people care so much what he says on the issue? The one point that I do agree with, however, is that as a nation, this society is OVER-medicated. All else is bullshit.
Why the hate for Tom Cruise? He black mailed Paramount into censoring one of their subsidaries. That was a pretty rotten thing to do. Aside from that, so he’s a moron, some of his movies are entertaining. I’m not holding out much hope for MI:3 considering the crapfest that was MI:2 and I would have probably downloaded a copy of the movie anyway, now I’m definitely not paying to see it.
I don’t ‘hate’ Tom Cruise, I’m disgusted by Scientology however and I’m really disappointed that some of my favorite actors are involved in it. But what makes a good actor? Often a good actor is someone with little or no real personality to call their own, they can play a variety of roles because they don’t have a very strong sense of self, makes it easier to pretend to be someone else. Scientology, aside from all the sci-fi bullshit, is a religion where you buy your way up through the ranks, it’s just a matter of having enough money to pay for the auditing process. It would stand to reason that it would appeal to hollow, vain, rich people and would explain why so many of it’s members are lawyers, doctors and entertainers.
[quote]Xvim wrote:
It would stand to reason that it would appeal to hollow, vain, rich people and would explain why so many of it’s members are lawyers, doctors and entertainers.[/quote]
I would disagree with you about one point. No reasonably educated person could believe the laughable psuedoscience they spew. According to their own website and others, only about 40 or so celebrities (most I have never heard of) are involved with Scientology, and the majority of those do not have a college education.
The only educated people in it must be crooks who think they can rise in it and make money. But your not going to find many doctors or lawyers in it, nor for that matter, many college grads. Besides its not just psychiatrists they appear not to like, its physicians in general, particularly those that would be laughing as they spoke.
No educated person could keep a straight face through their humorous pseudoscience teachings, unless they had ulterior motives.
My take on Cruise is similar to yours. I have better things to do than worry about the views of a barely high school educated individual whose poor intelligence allows him to believe laughable nonsense.
[quote]marijuology wrote:
toocul4u wrote:
marijuology wrote:
Tom Cruise is a fucking dipshit. Though his promotion of scientology he is a direct accomplice in theft, harrassment, extortion, libel, assault, kidnapping and murder. I would be absolutely thrilled if someone killed him tomorrow.
Does anyone have a ligitimate reason to say what this poster just said about tom cruise? do you listen to his viewpoints and actively try to understand his point of view, or do you just jump on the bandwagon? i don’t get where all the hatred comes from, it’s not valid at all.
The Church of Scientology’s criminal nature is not even a point of controversey. High-ranking members of the church have defected and testified in court that the organization habitually committs all sorts of crimes, including infiltrating the government and giving orders to have critics murdered. Scientology is a vicious criminal cult. Tom Cruise actively promotes this vicious criminal cult. He is, as an accessory, a vicious criminal himself. [/quote]