[quote]vroom wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Would you like a tissue? I think your mascara is running.[/quote]
Are you in 7th grade or something? Wow!
Thunder presents good stuff and you discourage him from contributing…uh, yeah…
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
vroom wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Would you like a tissue? I think your mascara is running.
Are you in 7th grade or something? Wow!
Thunder presents good stuff and you discourage him from contributing…uh, yeah…
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Who is “vroom?”
While we’re at it, who is “lixy?”
All I can conjure up is an image of a couple of trolls throwing rocks.
JeffR
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
vroom wrote:
Would you like a tissue? I think your mascara is running.
Hilarious. We have substantive unanswered questions presented to Vroom that expose him down to his fraudulent core…
…and all he can do is try and pass off more name-calling while whistling past his inconsistency?
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Would you like another tissue? Obviously you aren’t done yet…
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
vroom wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Would you like a tissue? I think your mascara is running.
Are you in 7th grade or something? Wow!
Thunder presents good stuff and you discourage him from contributing…uh, yeah…
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Headhunter, you and Thunderdolt can quit jerking each other off any time now… okay?
You know damned well his first “contribution” was to hurl insults and invective, and if he can’t take it back, then he should just buy more tissues and shut up.
By the way, going back a bit, the fact you want your military to go kill terrorists does not in fact make you brave. Facing up to troubling concepts and thoughts, and working through them, is much braver.
Echoing Ann Coulter all the time does not make you brave either.
Sorry for the news flash.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
vroom wrote:
Look at some of the rabble, both left and right, in these parts. It’s very clear that plenty of people either don’t know the basic issues or have never heard or considered anything behind talking heads on the media.
You keep harping on this - how do you possibly come that conclusion? Why is it that your considered opinion is independent of all the “talking heads” but you know for a fact that the rest of us have no such independence?
How do you know that? And oddly - it seems that the people who “don’t know the issues” remarkably happen to disagree with you.
Coincidence? I think a better explanation is that you are exactly the political person you haughtily claim not to be: your division of “smart thinkers” and “talking head followers” is a predictable partisan line.
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Thunderdolt,
Because I suspect you will cry yourself to sleep if I don’t, I’ll throw you a cookie here… for your SUBSTANTIVE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS… moron.
Read up above. See how you have changed my comment from “some people” into “the rest of us”? Are you functionality illiterate? You realize some people implies less than a majority and certainly not most.
In particular, it doesn’t mean everyone but me (that’s what “the rest of us” does), which is what you are slanting it into. Are you really that fucking stupid, to slant such a benign statement in this way, and then to make claims on top of that as if I actually said it?
If so, if you really think that is appropriate logic and arguing tactics, please stock up on tissues. You’ll end up needing a lot of them.
You go and raise actual substantive issues, if you can even dig your head out of your ass long enough to figure out what they are, and I might be bothered to do the work of replying.
Alternately, continue throwing around shoddy logic and shitty invective while you and Headhunter jerk each other off with congratulatory little notes about insulting poor vroomie. Then, both of you can chastise me about my behavior.
Yep, that’s the epitome of bravery and deep thinking.
You’ll also notice, asswad, that I picked on both LEFT and RIGHT in my assessment that SOME people are not aware of issues. It certainly was not something you needed to take personally, or interpret as partisan, at least not if your monstrous ego could have ducked out of the way.
You are a joke. Psst. I hear tissues are on sale a Walmart… you’d better hurry. Sniff, sniff, maybe while you are gone, Nuthunter can stick up for you some more?
Edit: Looks like Jerffy has joined the circle jerk and beat Nuthunter in the scramble between you knobs to stick up for each other. Woohoo Jerffy, bonus points you for you!
[quote]vroom wrote:
Because I suspect you will cry yourself to sleep if I don’t, I’ll throw you a cookie here… for your SUBSTANTIVE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS… moron.[/quote]
This doesn’t make any sense - why do you keep trying to insinuate that I am upset? I am just asking direct questions trying to figure out what you mean.
And really, Vroom - trying to pull the whole “macho guy” thing doesn’t work coming from you. The chin-pulling dilettante doesn’t square with the tough guy routine.
So you have answered only part of it - what about the other question?
Why did you tell me I can’t know what other people have considered, but you can?
How come? Direct question - is there a direct answer?
Again, this is amusement - why must you insist I am “crying” when all I am doing is trying to figure out what is a bizarre self-contradicting assertion made by you?
I suspect the answer is you had rather misdirect. Maybe you are unnerved because I actually ask you to explain yourself rather than nod my head in agreement.
Well, I have an idea - if you don’t like people being skeptical of what you write and challenging you on it, go sit in a dark room with good acoustics - that way, you can live in your fantasy world where only your all-wise voice is heard.
There is no shoddy logic here, Vroom. And are you really complaining about invective? Let’s count up how many times I have called you a name and tally alongside how many times you have done the same to me.
Nearly very post you write in every thread contains some admonishment of how your opponent(s) “need to think more, need to think for themselves, need to evolve” - you say this almost every time.
Implied in that is the idea that you think you have some level of independent thinking above and beyond all of us. Now, I am not insulted by that, but I think it is false, and you need to be called on it.
So, when you claim you have this innate ability to point out when “other people aren’t seeing the important issues” over and over and over, surely you can tell us why you have this received wisdom, and for the sake of this example, why I don’t.
Forget other people - focus on your attacks on me. Why would you tell me I have no ability to know if other people haven’t considered the issues, but you do - what is your basis?
Why does it matter? Because I think it is a ruse. I think you are light on substance and details and you substitute good arguments with snitty arrogance.
Your arguments should stand on their own merits, Vroom - but you always insist on the “I am thinking, my opponents aren’t” nonsense - and it is time someone finally pointed out how silly it is.
You are the classic stereotype of the guy that fancies himself the Deep Thinker who is enlightened, unencumbered by mundane prejudices, blessed with the truly Open Mind, all the while demonstrating nothing all that original, insightful, or commanding.
The stereotype plays out perfectly because the Deep Thinker is completely oblivious to the fact that no one shares his opinion that he is so bright and wise, but, despite that, he pompously instructs everyone around him that he has achieved this heightened intellectualism.
That’s you, Vroom. You could say everything you say without thoset ubiquitous comments regarding your open-mindedness and ability to think more than people who disagree with you.
But you don’t - you feel compelled to say it nearly every time. Why is that? Shouldn’t your arguments stand on their own at face value? Why does Vroom have to act like the arrogant Deep Thinker in nearly every post?
My feelings aren’t hurt, I am just curious as to the basis of your conclusions and why you feel the need to do that. Shouldn’t be that hard, aye?
I don’t care who you picked - and I fail to see how you want to insult other people on the size of their ego when you sport perhaps the most hubris of any poster here. Is that completely lost on you?
I am looking for a clear explanation of what is your concept - but you can’t sit down and give it without all the histrionics.
Yes, Vroom - all of us here think that you are a big, tough guy and not a weenie.
Poor Vroom. Put him on the defensive and he dissolved like sugar in water.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Why did you tell me I can’t know what other people have considered, but you can?
How come? Direct question - is there a direct answer?[/quote]
Wow, I’m sorry, you really are this stupid aren’t you?
There is a huge difference between saying, there are some who this or that, and referring to the endpoints of none or everyone.
Seriously, it changes the nature of the statement tremendously. You’ll notice my statements were pretty open ended and, specifically, included both left and right.
If you were to make similar fairly open statements, instead of picking extreme positions to try to counter my fairly bland statements, you wouldn’t be making such an ass out of yourself.
Surely you are upset, you’ve stomped out of the thread once, declaring that you were certainly done with me, then you’ve been unable to resist peeking in and making comments nonetheless, bumming up with Nuthunter no less, who can’t make a statement without throwing childish mischaracterizations around the thread.
I’ll up my game when I see evidence of other people upping their game. Until then, there is no point in even trying to have a reasonable conversation. Fuck, you guys don’t even understand simple English.
I wonder, does that make this whole fiasco a comedy or a tragedy?
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
I will refresh your memory:
First, you say:
You don’t speak for these people. You have no idea what people have and have not considered, if they have considered anything beyond talking points. You yourself mistake my statements for talking points all the time…
Then you say:
Most of the “people around here”, again, are spouting viewpoints they’ve picked up from FOX or some other punditry. They have not, apparently, considered the bottom level issues in detail and come up with their own conclusion from “first principles” based on their own thinking.
and
If I see evidence of people understanding the underlying issues and coming to grasp with them, then I won’t feel the need to step in and point them out.
and
If my opponents evolve and stop spouting the same shit as talking head media, showing they have brains of their own, I’ll be forced to develop new material.
So I have no idea what other people think and deserve scorn for arrogantly thinking I can, but you do have an idea what other people, and in fact, you think you are quite fantastic and quite the expert at it.
Explanation?[/quote]
I think Thunder borrowed General Sherman’s sword and is proceeding to rip Vroomie a new one! Go, Thunder!!!
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I think Thunder borrowed General Sherman’s sword and is proceeding to rip Vroomie a new one! Go, Thunder!!!
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I think you two should stop sucking each other’s dicks in public… it’s disgusting to watch.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
vroom wrote:
Because I suspect you will cry yourself to sleep if I don’t, I’ll throw you a cookie here… for your SUBSTANTIVE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS… moron.
This doesn’t make any sense [/quote]
Well, that’s a surprise! Its Vroom.
[quote]vroom wrote:
There is a huge difference between saying, there are some who this or that, and referring to the endpoints of none or everyone.[/quote]
Wow, thanks for clearing that up. Yikes - that hurt my eyes.
No, your statements were pretty straightforward to me - which you still have yet to answer.
I still have no idea what this means, but at least you admit your commentary is bland.
My comments are pretty narrow - I am throwing the red flag on your never ending hubris of saying “if only my opponents would think…” - and still waiting on the answer as to why you have the incredible ability to know what issues people have considered, and I don’t. The quotes are there - all I am waiting on is a direct answer.
Is it because you read better books? Are you smarter? Seriously, what is your answer?
Should I bother asking such direct questions?
No, sorry, Vroom - no one stomped away from anything. I just came to the conclusion that I always do that an extended dialogue with you turns into a giant waste of time. Nonetheless, against my own advice, I came back to highlight some very awkward statements by you - and I find myself in the same position: chasing you around, trying to get you to commit to a straightforward answer. It’s always the same - instead of clarity, we get confusion, impenetrable meaningless language, obfuscation, and of course, your attempts at being abusive in an effort to hide your shortcomings.
That is a hilarious contention, and it is again laden with your uncontrollable urge to state that your opponents are below you. You just can’t help yourself can you?
You will graciously “up your game” when we all decide to “up ours”? Ridiculous. But predictable.
And oh yes, I don’t understand basic English. So correct - it’s clear.
[quote]I wonder, does that make this whole fiasco a comedy or a tragedy?
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It’s not much of a fiasco - it is the same dialogue I always have with you.
We have learned alot about you here - the most telling of which is your idea that your opponents are in need of “evolving” to match your level. Not a person here holds you to that esteem - why do you do so yourself?
As is. We are where we started - with no explanation.
[quote]vroom wrote:
I think you two should stop sucking each other’s dicks in public… it’s disgusting to watch.[/quote]
Classy, Vroom.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The 9/11 hijackers were recruited in mosques. They did not get the idea to do this by watching TV.
Dude, they were recruited by Al Jazeera as well as what ever BS lie they were told by some right wing Islamist.
No, they were recruited in mosques in Germany and other places.
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My point does not preclude mosques or other countries. Where is irrelevent, however, how and why in my opinion are the only thing that matter? Public opinion and propaganda is what turns most people to ‘cultish’ behavior.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
No, your statements were pretty straightforward to me - which you still have yet to answer.
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Thundercat, you came rushing into a conversation between Nutmuncher and myself, and have been making up meanings for what I’ve said all over the place.
First my statements were estrogenic, according to you. Then they were simple concepts that everybody already knew. Now, you get to decide that I didn’t mean what I said, but that you interpreted them to mean something different.
If Nutmuncher wasn’t busy trolling me, mischaracterizing my statements as bleeding heart when they are not, and you hadn’t rushed in to his defence, then none of this would have happened.
You are too busy trying to settle a personal vendetta when you and I have nothing to talk about in this thread. Now stop using up all my tissues, I have the feeling Nutmuncher is going need some of them next.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
We have learned alot about you here - the most telling of which is your idea that your opponents are in need of “evolving” to match your level. Not a person here holds you to that esteem - why do you do so yourself?
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LOL. What you fail to realize is that evolution would involve learning to comprehend English.
You see, I’m not elevating myself very high with that statement. Moron.
Oh wait, Nuthunter also needs to learn the difference between wild accusatory mischaracterizations, which he does for trolling and fun, which you have jumped in to support, and discussing an issue.
Congrats! Clown.
[quote]vroom wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
We have learned alot about you here - the most telling of which is your idea that your opponents are in need of “evolving” to match your level. Not a person here holds you to that esteem - why do you do so yourself?
LOL. What you fail to realize is that evolution would involve learning to comprehend English.
You see, I’m not elevating myself very high with that statement. Moron.
Oh wait, Nuthunter also needs to learn the difference between wild accusatory mischaracterizations, which he does for trolling and fun, which you have jumped in to support, and discussing an issue.
Congrats! Clown.[/quote]
(1) The question of the day is: how many asinine versions of my screen name can you come up with? Don’t hold back, little boy, spit 'em out like the brat you are.
(2) Did it ever occur to you that ‘rising above having opinions’ means that you have no opinions at all? Being above politics, Mr. Objectivity, means that you have none? You are, in essence, a vacuum (which I have used to describe you before). Now do you grasp WHY I called you that?
Now, carry on, brat.
Vroom, I hope you at least got a kiss out of this whole thing.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Oh wait, Nuthunter also needs to learn the difference between wild accusatory mischaracterizations, which he does for trolling and fun, which you have jumped in to support, and discussing an issue.[/quote]
Well, wrong again - I responded directly to something you wrote.
Now, from now on, we are all going to need you - on every post - to include a list of who is eligible to respond to your commentary and who is not. There seems to be a disconnect - I, for one, assumed that when you wrote something, it was fair game to respond to it. I had no idea your Highness got to segregate who would reply and who would not - so this list may be a good idea for all of us. After all, you don’t handle them well, and we certainly don’t want to ask too much of you.
And, of course, we still have no answers as to why I have “no idea what issues people have considered” (direct quote), but you do know.
Still no answer. You said it - and I can’t figure out the distinction. Hmm.
This line of insults (along with the endless stream of them - what a surprise) would serve you well if we were both five years old. Since only one of us is five, it is a wasted effort.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
(1) The question of the day is: how many asinine versions of my screen name can you come up with? Don’t hold back, little boy, spit 'em out like the brat you are.[/quote]
I’m sure I can come up with quite a few. However, as you yourself fully know, almost nobody is above the insult and name calling game around here…
Oh nonsense. I’ve never said I’m above politics and I won’t try to.
What I am trying to point out, is that without looking at the issues carefully, and discussing the underlying details, you (for example) are left with a one sided FOX news viewpoint which you blast around as if you had actually considered the issues involved.
That is the real fraud around here (hearkening to Thundercat’s continued use of that phrase).
Oh, look, ChuckyT has joined your little circle jerk to help stick up for you and Thunderclod. Do these little cheerleaders think you need the support?