[quote]Edders wrote:
The entire black youth culture is sad.[/quote]
What kind of statement is that if your are not even going to elaborate.
jet
[quote]Jetric9 wrote:
Edders wrote:
The entire black youth culture is sad.
What kind of statement is that if your are not even going to elaborate.
jet[/quote]
Are you a thinking adult? If so it needs no elaboration. Look at some statistics and then match that with some appropriate adult observations.
If you need more information then you need to spend less time on a bodybuilding forum and more time studying social and cultural trends.
[quote]Jetric9 wrote:
Edders wrote:
The entire black youth culture is sad.
What kind of statement is that if your are not even going to elaborate.
jet
Are you a thinking adult? If so it needs no elaboration. Look at some statistics and then match that with some appropriate adult observations.
If you need more information then you need to spend less time on a bodybuilding forum and more time studying social and cultural trends. [/quote]
Yes, of course. These ‘statistics’ wouldn’t happen to be at least a partial by-product of hundreds of years of slavery and servitude, where degradation has remained a constant in the black american’s life. You’re the one that needs to open your eyes if you think this way. Racism is alive and well, contrary to what you may believe. Only a fool doesn’t aknowledge that the black man has been the most persecuted of all peoples across time (with hebrews probably being in second).
And no, I’m not blaming the white man for absolutely everything, same way you can’t blame black people in the U.S. for their current condition.
[quote]Edders wrote:
Jetric9 wrote:
Edders wrote:
The entire black youth culture is sad.
What kind of statement is that if your are not even going to elaborate.
jet
Are you a thinking adult? If so it needs no elaboration. Look at some statistics and then match that with some appropriate adult observations.
If you need more information then you need to spend less time on a bodybuilding forum and more time studying social and cultural trends.[/quote]
Just the way I thought you would reply.
jet
[quote]nopal_juventus wrote:
Jetric9 wrote:
Edders wrote:
The entire black youth culture is sad.
What kind of statement is that if your are not even going to elaborate.
jet
Are you a thinking adult? If so it needs no elaboration. Look at some statistics and then match that with some appropriate adult observations.
If you need more information then you need to spend less time on a bodybuilding forum and more time studying social and cultural trends.
Yes, of course. These ‘statistics’ wouldn’t happen to be at least a partial by-product of hundreds of years of slavery and servitude, where degradation has remained a constant in the black american’s life.[/quote]
Slavery was a horrendus thing, but it did end over 140 years ago. And that has nothing to do with the black youth culture of destruction today now does it?
It’s interesting how fast the word “racism” comes up. Apparently a simple observation of fact cannot be mentioned without single minded attacks being launched with no merit. I never said that there was no racism. And in fact I will state that there IS racism.
However, simply because I questioned the dangerous black youth culture YOU bring up racism. Are you claiming that this is all about racism?
I don’t “blame” black people for anything. Before you start shooting from the hip…again, please reread my original post.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Edders wrote:
The entire black youth culture is sad.
I don’t think white youth culture is any better.[/quote]
I agree, it’s not a black thing, it’s a lazy ass stupid teen thing.
This weekend I worked at the Arnold Classic on the medical staff. i saw some great young kids of both races competing in various sports. They were polite and well mannered.
I call it more of a dumbass thing which crosses races.
[quote]nopal_juventus wrote:
Jetric9 wrote:
Edders wrote:
The entire black youth culture is sad.
What kind of statement is that if your are not even going to elaborate.
jet
Are you a thinking adult? If so it needs no elaboration. Look at some statistics and then match that with some appropriate adult observations.
If you need more information then you need to spend less time on a bodybuilding forum and more time studying social and cultural trends.
Yes, of course. These ‘statistics’ wouldn’t happen to be at least a partial by-product of hundreds of years of slavery and servitude, where degradation has remained a constant in the black american’s life. You’re the one that needs to open your eyes if you think this way. Racism is alive and well, contrary to what you may believe. Only a fool doesn’t aknowledge that the black man has been the most persecuted of all peoples across time (with hebrews probably being in second).
And no, I’m not blaming the white man for absolutely everything, same way you can’t blame black people in the U.S. for their current condition.[/quote]
The Irish have gotten a lot of crap over a few centuries. The Armenians were killed by about a million by the Turks. Christians had it pretty shitty for a few centuries.
The black guy isn’t the only one who has had it tough, even over a few hundred years. In the early days of this country the Irish were considered less desirable than the blacks. Not saying it wasn’t tough for the black man, but when you say they had it the toughest, many people with ancestors that also suffered get into “oh yeah, well I /or my people had it…”.
[quote]nopal_juventus wrote:
Jetric9 wrote:
Edders wrote:
The entire black youth culture is sad.
What kind of statement is that if your are not even going to elaborate.
jet
Are you a thinking adult? If so it needs no elaboration. Look at some statistics and then match that with some appropriate adult observations.
If you need more information then you need to spend less time on a bodybuilding forum and more time studying social and cultural trends.
Yes, of course. These ‘statistics’ wouldn’t happen to be at least a partial by-product of hundreds of years of slavery and servitude, where degradation has remained a constant in the black american’s life. You’re the one that needs to open your eyes if you think this way. Racism is alive and well, contrary to what you may believe. Only a fool doesn’t aknowledge that the black man has been the most persecuted of all peoples across time (with hebrews probably being in second).
And no, I’m not blaming the white man for absolutely everything, same way you can’t blame black people in the U.S. for their current condition.[/quote]
I think it’s ridiculous to try to “rank” the most persecuted peoples/races.
Why can’t you blame each individual person (adult) for their own situation??? I understand being raised poor puts you at a disadvantage from the get go, but with hard work and perserverance ANYONE has the ability to push ahead and better themselves.
I agree, when I hear people say they were raised in poor neighborhoods and they didn’t have any other options but to sell drugs or commit crimes, I just say to myself what a bunch of lame excuses.
jet
Getting back to the original subject, I thought you all might be interested to know the two suspects have been moved to the Tarrant County jail in Fort Worth, and from my understanding have been placed in isolation due to threats from other prisoners. Apparently, even inmates have an honor code. (No offense to those of you who have been to prison.)
[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Getting back to the original subject, I thought you all might be interested to know the two suspects have been moved to the Tarrant County jail in Fort Worth, and from my understanding have been placed in isolation due to threats from other prisoners. Apparently, even inmates have an honor code. (No offense to those of you who have been to prison.)[/quote]
Common knowledge. You screw with kids and your ass gets beat in jail. As far as child molesters, I doubt anyone is crying over it.
I agree that has been largely the pattern in the past, but unfortunately that hasn’t continued to be the case (at least here in Texas).
In practice, all those rumors of child molesters and other victimizers getting their heads bashed in while in the pen have proven to be exaggerated at best. It happens, don’t get me wrong, but there is much less of it that goes on with the current generation of prisoners than in previous years.
Hence, my pleasure at hearing that these two were getting a warm reception.
[quote]The Irish have gotten a lot of crap over a few centuries. The Armenians were killed by about a million by the Turks. Christians had it pretty shitty for a few centuries.
The black guy isn’t the only one who has had it tough, even over a few hundred years. In the early days of this country the Irish were considered less desirable than the blacks. Not saying it wasn’t tough for the black man, but when you say they had it the toughest, many people with ancestors that also suffered get into “oh yeah, well I /or my people had it…”. [/quote]
Lest you forget, “In the early days of this country” blacks weren’t considered actual people. And yes, many other cultures and races have been persecuted, but blacks are almost universally denigrated. Go to Mexico or Latinamerica and blacks are dehumanized; go to Europe and blacks are dehumanized; go to Asia and blacks are dehumanized. No other race has been so utterly held in contempt by the world. My point was that you implied in your original post that black culture was interally responsible for the current situation of black youth, and I retorted that you can’t ignore hundreds of years of servitude that continue today in one way or another.
If you’ve ever taken an economics class, then you’ve heard of the poverty cycle. Combine that with a less than desirable social context and it becomes easier to see why blacks or latinos (such as myself) are disproportionately represented in prisons and colleges. However, this is not to say that blacks are always victims and aren’t held accountable for their actions… a gangbanger still has a choice, even if it’s harder than a kid in the suburbs to make the right choices. But you can’t ignore the many exterior forces that have led to the present socioeconomic status of blacks and latinos in the US.
To exemplify this, some of my friends live in Casablanca (a rough hood in Riverside) and just got into UCR on scholarships. Some of my other friends live in the same neighborhood and are slinging weed; the only reason they do this is because they can’t make enough money otherwise to cover rent and food for their families (one works 2 jobs at over 60 hours a week, and still deals to make ends meet). The different paths they’re on are only because of the circumstances of their lives.
[quote]nopal_juventus wrote:
Some of my other friends live in the same neighborhood and are slinging weed; the only reason they do this is because they can’t make enough money otherwise to cover rent and food for their families (one works 2 jobs at over 60 hours a week, and still deals to make ends meet). The different paths they’re on are only because of the circumstances of their lives. [/quote]
I’m not sure but are you actually trying to justify your friend selling drugs? Plenty of us find ourselves in difficult circumstances but don’t resort to selling drugs. There is no justification for selling drugs to “make ends meet.” Your friend belongs behind bars. But I hope before that occurs he sees the light.
This is what I meant when I was talking about personal responsibility earlier in the thread. We all make choices in our lives. As soon as we try to justify breaking the law, or hurting people because we are poor, or “down trodden” we only make matters worse. And in the process make society worse as well.
I lived on very little money for a very long time. But never did the thought cross my mind to rob a bank or sell drugs in order to elevate my economic status. The legitimate process out of poverty is a slow one, but it is accomplished every day by many.
Forgive me if I misinterpreted what you are trying to say above.
No, I’m not trying to justify it, sorry if I wrote it to make it seem that way. I used that example to illustrate that the circumstances of our lives have a huge effect on our daily choices. My friend that deals still has a choice, I’m just saying his choice is harder to make than the other guys that got a chance to go to college (though it’s still there). I agree with what you said, I was just trying to give an example to show how social context affects one’s life.
[quote]nopal_juventus wrote:
I agree with what you said, I was just trying to give an example to show how social context affects one’s life.[/quote]
I totally agree with you on that one.
[quote]nopal_juventus wrote:
The Irish have gotten a lot of crap over a few centuries. The Armenians were killed by about a million by the Turks. Christians had it pretty shitty for a few centuries.
The black guy isn’t the only one who has had it tough, even over a few hundred years. In the early days of this country the Irish were considered less desirable than the blacks. Not saying it wasn’t tough for the black man, but when you say they had it the toughest, many people with ancestors that also suffered get into “oh yeah, well I /or my people had it…”.
Lest you forget, “In the early days of this country” blacks weren’t considered actual people. And yes, many other cultures and races have been persecuted, but blacks are almost universally denigrated. Go to Mexico or Latinamerica and blacks are dehumanized; go to Europe and blacks are dehumanized; go to Asia and blacks are dehumanized. No other race has been so utterly held in contempt by the world. My point was that you implied in your original post that black culture was interally responsible for the current situation of black youth, and I retorted that you can’t ignore hundreds of years of servitude that continue today in one way or another.
If you’ve ever taken an economics class, then you’ve heard of the poverty cycle. Combine that with a less than desirable social context and it becomes easier to see why blacks or latinos (such as myself) are disproportionately represented in prisons and colleges. However, this is not to say that blacks are always victims and aren’t held accountable for their actions… a gangbanger still has a choice, even if it’s harder than a kid in the suburbs to make the right choices. But you can’t ignore the many exterior forces that have led to the present socioeconomic status of blacks and latinos in the US.
To exemplify this, some of my friends live in Casablanca (a rough hood in Riverside) and just got into UCR on scholarships. Some of my other friends live in the same neighborhood and are slinging weed; the only reason they do this is because they can’t make enough money otherwise to cover rent and food for their families (one works 2 jobs at over 60 hours a week, and still deals to make ends meet). The different paths they’re on are only because of the circumstances of their lives.[/quote]
I didn’t imply anything in my original post other than stupid behavior crosses all race lines. claiming one race has been screwed more than another does no good. Blacks have been screwed, but so have others. The others get a bug up their ass and come back with how they had it hard.
There is a way out of poverty. Stay in school, don’t take drugs or get a girl pregnant early, and work. the odds are about 2/100 that a married family will live in poverty of they stay together. this calls for responsibility on both sides.
The black race has it tough, but others also have had it rough. It doesn’t really help to point it out, because if you did do something about it. If you didn’t no one will care.
Remember, giving young kids pot is a pot idea, no matter what race you are.
Since this tread seems to need it, my shout out to all non-violent drug dealers:
Keep up the good work!