I agree that it is the fault of many. Problem is that we don’t seem to “vote” out the offending either. So, I think, that makes us all to guilty to some extent. I know raising my kids has been a difficult balancing act. Trying to raise them right and not get thrown in jail for doing so.
Being a military family, we have been turned in for spanking our children – leaving them with a babysitter(a young adult of age 22) ect. So it is a tough road and many parents would rather not fight the battles to do the right thing.
“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of Man.”
Headhunter
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Your post makes my whole life struggle make sense:
In a world system which is self-serving, then logically, personal integrity is not rewarding unless it has a price and can be sold.
My whole rage against the system is precisely the power struggle over dominance on who is master over my soul.
Who I am cannot be bought and who I continue to be will not be sold.
The last part of that sentence is the ultimate act of defiance to any system that is self-serving.
Who is my master?
Who is your servant?
These are the two questions I approach any system or institution (including marriage).
I don’t hate people or groups.
Mastery over my mind and being a servant of the system is the tyranny I am hostile towards.
I don’t believe I am alone in feeling this way.
Thank you for bringing clarity into that, Headhunter.
[quote]firebug9 wrote:
I agree that it is the fault of many. Problem is that we don’t seem to “vote” out the offending either. So, I think, that makes us all to guilty to some extent. I know raising my kids has been a difficult balancing act. Trying to raise them right and not get thrown in jail for doing so.
Being a military family, we have been turned in for spanking our children – leaving them with a babysitter(a young adult of age 22) ect. So it is a tough road and many parents would rather not fight the battles to do the right thing.
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You can get turned in for spanking your kids? Some people need to mind their own business.
[quote]ocn2000 wrote:
Liberalism and political correctness ruined it. Not individual parents, but systems. Most notably the schools. They don’t teach, they indoctrinate kids to a socio-political ideology. That what f*cked things up.[/quote]
I think you are correct. It is amazing the backward thinking that goes on in schools today.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
firebug9 wrote:
I agree that it is the fault of many. Problem is that we don’t seem to “vote” out the offending either. So, I think, that makes us all to guilty to some extent. I know raising my kids has been a difficult balancing act. Trying to raise them right and not get thrown in jail for doing so.
Being a military family, we have been turned in for spanking our children – leaving them with a babysitter(a young adult of age 22) ect. So it is a tough road and many parents would rather not fight the battles to do the right thing.
You can get turned in for spanking your kids? Some people need to mind their own business.[/quote]
Here is a classic example of what I meant by my post above.
These people are mindind their business.
The “collective” doesn’t have a personal conscience, they are “just doing their job”. They take the full “mastery over” or authority over one’s children from the parents then try to regulate the two types this “system” produces:
Parents who give up doing the right thing and allow the state/system to set the “rules”
Those who try to retain personal accountability and discernment in regulating their own children.
.A previous poster said bring back spanking.
.Proff X raged against spoiled skinny posters wanting to be rewarded.
Isn’t it more clear why some parents “give up” on regulating their their children?
Parents like firebug9 engage into a personal struggle against the system which thinks it is their business to master over somebody else’s servant.
While giving you the illusion they are serving You - the community, they set themselves up as master and servant. This is in itself a dichotomy and can only work to confuse the people in whose interest the system is set up for.
Well…this thread is Soooooo right and it can get us all to boil… rasing kids has changed and with a combinded family of 7 kids. Ages from 29 to 15 I can say the cliche of “spare the rod spoil the children” is so true. With the evolving of “rights” and others sticking their noses where it doesn’t belong. I would place the blame on a “tip of the arrow” such as the group called “ALCU”.
They propagate the whole system as to who gets offended and then supports the system to “allow squeky wheel getting greased”. They are the ones to support our whole country to shoot our selves in the foot and then climb the ladder. They are all made up of lawyers and weiners. And somehow have placed into our infastructure all the right puppets. Think it through and look at the root of all of the results we have today. Prisons are full of people who have more rights than victims…kids have more rights than parents and too many people want handouts and entitlements instead of working and earning it.
This T-Nation forum is about gritting your teeth and bucking up to build yourself up. Not expecting someone to do it for you. So much is being underminded sublimaly via the likes of ACLU. Get off the fence and stand up and move forward and not blaming parents.
We have 2 kids, 16 and 15. Never layed a finger on them, they are not spoiled. Having more children doesn’t make you an expert on how to raise them, just means you have more children. Who’s to say which way is correct? The proof is in the pudding, how they conduct themselves in society and contribute to it but not lose their identities or lose their values instilled by the parents (which could be good or bad depending on the values). Baby boomers are the most spoiled generation IMO, and perhaps the most innovative, heck it was them that invented the video game industry, lazy bastards!
[quote]dmanor wrote:
Baby boomers are the most spoiled generation IMO, and perhaps the most innovative, heck it was them that invented the video game industry, lazy bastards! :)[/quote]
Spoiled? Lazy? Them’s fighting words, kid. Looks like I’ll have to put down my glass of Krug’s Clos du Mesnil and drive my Hummer to Ontario and bust a cap in your ass, now that I’ve cured cancer and all
I know this is an old thread but, hey, I’m an old guy!
I think our government is losing commonality with the people, much like th old Roman Empire. The Liberals grew a huge bureaucratic monster, it ran amock, and now those in charge treat us like cattle. For this reason, no one is so intent anymore on preserving our system. I DO remember when people would be devestated if they didn’t get into the Marines (ahem – gd asthma).
So, our society is falling apart in slow motion and the blame sits squarely on the shoulders of altruistic Libs, who thought they could socially legislate us into paradise. Nope.
So, our society is falling apart in slow motion and the blame sits squarely on the shoulders of altruistic Libs, who thought they could socially legislate us into paradise. Nope.
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Sounds like the group I mentioned earlyer! We all should send them a Christmas Card this coming season…
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
So, our society is falling apart in slow motion and the blame sits squarely on the shoulders of altruistic Libs, who thought they could socially legislate us into paradise. Nope.
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Anyone who votes for anyone is the problem. Responsible men and women refuse to hand over their governmental roles.
I vote for myself (write-in) for each position in each election. And I’ve won every time! (As I remain the major player in my life.)
They have to come at me with the threat of more violence than I can defend against, to make me do anything, and its been a few years since that last happened (traffic ticket).
Yeah we are such losers now because of what our parents and teachers taught us. They teach in school now that you are a product of your environment and that anything you do is a result of your parents not understanding your “self-esteem”. When you do something wrong and bad it’s not your fault. It is the fault of some other group/race/ethnicity/sex trying to hold you back. Hard work doesn’t get you anywhere. People who are rich are that way because they are lucky not because they put in hard work and had self-control and determination.
[quote]JaysonVirissimo wrote:
Yeah we are such losers now because of what our parents and teachers taught us. They teach in school now that you are a product of your environment and that anything you do is a result of your parents not understanding your “self-esteem”. When you do something wrong and bad it’s not your fault. It is the fault of some other group/race/ethnicity/sex trying to hold you back. Hard work doesn’t get you anywhere. People who are rich are that way because they are lucky not because they put in hard work and had self-control and determination. [/quote]
This is very true. Just look at the fucking posts in the “get what you pay for” thread about education. We are a nation that doesn’t have the balls to tell the dunce that he needs to be separated from the students that aren’t having problems. You can’t slow down the entire class because little Johnny is smart, but can’t perform tasks at the pace of the class. That’s bulshit.
The world doesn’t give a rat’s ass about those that can’t keep up. Once you’re in the real world on your own, it’s keep up or get left behind. There will be no extensions granted or someone to hold your hand because you’re “special”. Yes, I’m talking to you pussy parents that go “Oh my god! My Johnny feelings got hurt because he failed a test.” And then go to the school to demand a retest and special provisions to do so.
[quote]BigRagoo wrote:
JaysonVirissimo wrote:
Yeah we are such losers now because of what our parents and teachers taught us. They teach in school now that you are a product of your environment and that anything you do is a result of your parents not understanding your “self-esteem”. When you do something wrong and bad it’s not your fault. It is the fault of some other group/race/ethnicity/sex trying to hold you back. Hard work doesn’t get you anywhere. People who are rich are that way because they are lucky not because they put in hard work and had self-control and determination.
This is very true. Just look at the fucking posts in the “get what you pay for” thread about education. We are a nation that doesn’t have the balls to tell the dunce that he needs to be separated from the students that aren’t having problems. You can’t slow down the entire class because little Johnny is smart, but can’t perform tasks at the pace of the class. That’s bulshit.
The world doesn’t give a rat’s ass about those that can’t keep up. Once you’re in the real world on your own, it’s keep up or get left behind. There will be no extensions granted or someone to hold your hand because you’re “special”. Yes, I’m talking to you pussy parents that go “Oh my god! My Johnny feelings got hurt because he failed a test.” And then go to the school to demand a retest and special provisions to do so. [/quote]
I think stupid parents have a really hard time accepting that their kid may be stupid too. I do believe that some kids simply develop later in life. Poor performance in high school doesn’t mean the kid won’t turn it around in college and beat most other students so I have a problem with blanket statements about seperating “slower” students. The way classes are taught now, there is much debate about whether young boys are in the proper environment to learn right along side young girls considering the difference in thinking and development.
There needs to be some level understanding when it comes to mediocre or poor performance and there needs to be a seperation of those who simply mature slower and those with true learning disabilities.
Throwing every kid who makes a “D” in remedial classes when his IQ may be off the charts would be a mistake.
There needs to be some level understanding when it comes to mediocre or poor performance and there needs to be a seperation of those who simply mature slower and those with true learning disabilities.
Throwing every kid who makes a “D” in remedial classes when his IQ may be off the charts would be a mistake.[/quote]
There needs to be some level understanding when it comes to mediocre or poor performance and there needs to be a seperation of those who simply mature slower and those with true learning disabilities.
Throwing every kid who makes a “D” in remedial classes when his IQ may be off the charts would be a mistake.
You’re absolutely right. But how to we do this? [/quote]
I don’t know. I didn’t do that well in high school until my junior year but was on the Dean’s List every semester of college. It took me that long to learn how my mind worked. I have a hard time ONLY focusing on one thing at a time. If I am doing multiple tasks or dividing my attention, I can memorize anything. It’s weird, but I didn’t figure that out until my English teacher in the 11th grade has us memorize a poem that was over 2 1/2 pages long. I went home stared at the page and turned on a CD I just bought (Me Phi Me…don’t laugh) and went back the next day and recited it to her. She worked with me from that point on and my grades shot up.
I am glad my parents believed in my potential as some teachers I had were pure shit. That is why I don’t relate how well someone will do later on with how well they do in high school. Everyone isn’t made the same and everyone doesn’t mature at the same rate.
[quote]awesomepossom wrote:
I hope this doesn’t get too off topic, but here’s something that just doesn’t settle right with me.
Back in the days before the 50’s, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. The next day young men were volunteering for the military all over the country. There were stories of people committing suicide if they were rejected from the service!! A few years later, our country was still fully committed to beating back the aggressors, and I’ve never seen one report on war protests from that era. People understood the cost and sacrifice it took to do the right thing against nearly impossible odds.
Fast forward 60 years. Terrorists from the middle east attack the Twin Towers and the Pentagon with four planes. For the next little while military recruiting is up. A few years later, our country is barely committed and all I ever hear about is war protests.
Although I understand there are plenty of differences between the two wars, there are many things fundamentally the same. So help me, as much as I’ve tried to sort this out, I DON’T UNDERSTAND how our nation can be SO DIFFERENT!!
In this respect, it depresses me to know how far our country has come in just a couple generations.[/quote]
You can’t be serious. There is a rather large difference between a COUNTRY declaring war on us and some random lunatics from random countries declaring war on us. That isn’t exactly a small difference. Should we just drop a bomb on the entire “Middle East” and get it over with?[/quote]
