To Bush supporters

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“He’s fucking anyone up who supports these assholes.”

No, he’s not. The economic support is coming from Saudi Arabia for the most part and as mentioned, 15/19 terrorists were Saudi.
Not one was Iraqi. Not that getting rid of Saddam is bad!

I don’t have a problem with this war if it leads to getting to the bottom of the problem, which is the Saudi’s 2-faced stance: On one hand they are a military ally and allow some of our military to be stationed there, on the other hand, they are not aggressively getting to the bottom of investigating the money ties and pressuring some of the known financial backers/sympzathizers of ALQaeda.

Of course, they don’t have to do anything against their citizens if they don’t want to, but as a close ally of ours, it seems like they should be doing more.

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One more thing Ranger: criticism of a President and a gov’t is my right and my duty. It is in no way unpatriotic even though in this country it is seen by many as just that.

And as far as the troops respecting Bush, they have to. it is their obligation, whether they approve of him or not.

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Once more for the jackasses:

I am not a liberal nor a Democrat. Don’t portray me as such.I disagree with our 2 party system, it is too simplistic and confining.

I identify with Republicans awa conservatives on some issues, such as tax code/capital gains reform, the maintaining of the pledge of allegiance in schools, restriction of immigration, etc.

I identify with liberals and Democrats on others, such as Universal Health care, prison system reform, increased Federal spending on education, decrease of the military budget, etc.

I also identify with environmental causes.

And like AvoidsRoids mentioned in another column, reform of the legal system. I think hatred of lawyers is a bi-partisan policy anyway!

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RightSideUp- You didn’t want to get involved because of some (all?) what I said, but you did feel the need to respond to the BS spread around this post, and that’s a good thing.

Don’t worry about Moisture- he thinks Bush is intelligent! (Just teasing Moisture)

“Ducking the rematch? This isn’t wrestling.”

LOL! But I would modify it to say “this isn’t old-time wrestling”. Unfortunately championships don’t mean as much as they used to, but that’s a discussion for another place and time.

“There was certainly things that went on in FL that got swept under the rug - the butterfly ballots that the older folks in Palm Beach couldn’t read, the missing ballot boxes in Broward (Dem) and Dade (Rep and Dem) counties, the reports of black voters being turned away or disuaded from voting, and the Scalia connection in the Supreme Court rulings. The fishiness began on day one.”

Amen, and if I may so, more eloquently expressed than my post.

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uh, yes I would like to make a reply to SonnyS, I have some crack for sale , would you like to buy some to support the already enormous habit it seems you have acquired, jokes or no joke, the bitchy whiny school girl, hippocrites, you so staunchly support are the exact reason, that the Country I Love is so full of crap, there is no perfect system, there are no perfect leaders, and I sure hope that Dubbya, with all his flaws kicks the shit out of the competition, come November, thankyou…Splint

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I still don’t know how you get your personal opinions about this issue.

Just researching the topics that interest me.

How is Bush a murderer?

Going to war on false premises and convincing the county that it was true. Sacrificing US blood for Oil and US military bases for personal profit.

What other murderous regimes are we currently supporting?

Some countries we support who are muderous include Georgia, Phillipines, Uzbekistan, and some very repressive regimes we support that incite terrorism against the U.S. because of our support inlude Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan, not to mention our support of Indonesia, Yemen, Columbia ect.

Its funny how we used to support so many regimes that we now see as enemies. Taliban against the Soviets, Iraq against Iran, Nicaragua and Panaman for capital gains.

Past regimes include Chile, Argentina, Suharto of Indonesia, East Timor, Iran, Bolivia, ect.

And if we DID go to war with Iraq for oil, why are the prices skyrocketing? Why are the gas prices supposed to go to record highs this summer??

Oil prices are rising for two reasons. The US dollar compared to the world market is decreasing. As the EU rises, our dollar falls in value. OPEC is hurting as a result and is pressuring for a cut of 1 million barrels of oil a day. This is in order to counter the weakening dollar. Many of the oil producing countries in OPEC such as Nicaragua, Venezuela, and Nigeria need the rise in US prices to continue with equaled world market prices.

How can we expect the Iraqi economy to improve if we capitalize on their oil? The truth is we did NOT go there for oil. I’ll agree, many politicians are “corrupt” but you will find that in any government. But believe me, Bush is not the kind of asshole that would risk the lives of his troops for just some cheap gas prices.

We didn’t capitilize on their oil to help their economy. Sure the politicians will say that, but like you said, politicians are corrupt everywhere. To say that Bush wouldn’t risk the lives of troops is questionable because afterall, him and his cronies will be making millions of dollars from this war.

And with regards to North Korea, there is a little thing called M.A.D (Mutually Assured Destruction) that acts as a deterrent for two nuclear powers going to war. So yeah, with the interest of preventing billions of lives lost and the possibility of WWIII starting, we aren’t gonna touch North Korea.

I agree with you. Its the same reason Pakistan and India will never nuke each other. But doesn’t the Iraq war prove to people that you need to have a nuke in order to be untouchable? And shouldn’t we still put more pressure on North Korea to disarm instead of trying to oust regimes that dont even have nuclear know-how?

Also, it’s true that the majority of the suicide bombers and terrorists are from Saudi Arabia, but the Saudi gov’t is very active in hunting terrorists.

This is absolutely not true. In fact, if Saudis started doing this they would probably get overthrown. The education system in Saudi Arabia, the main reason for religious fanaticim is ruled by the ulama, or religious leaders. This means that most eduacated Saudis are educated through religious studies. There happen to be about 50,000 people in the Saudi Royal family which of whom about 1000 actively support religious extremism. Prince Nayef, half brother of Crown Prince Abdullah is one of the most strident supporters of all.

It is know that Saddam supported terrorists. Why wouldn’t he, he hates us, right??? Of course. Now he is doing what he promised in his speech. He’s fucking anyone up who supports these assholes. What did the public expect, him to not do what he promised?? He’s keeping his word. Anyways, it doesn’t matter. Guys like me and others in the armed forces will continue to fight for you whether you like it or not.

He didn’t support terrorists that were against the US. It was never proven. He did hate us but would never have the balls to try anything against us. After 3 weeks, we demolished their army. IF he wanted to pressure gov’ts, Iraq was the wrong place.

boo

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Personally, I think we should have went to war for the sole purpose of getting oil. I mean, why not? We need it.

Is that immoral? Who gives a rats ass.

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Hey Tigerboo,

Vote for Kerry. lol! Good luck buddy.

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Does anyone remember how we got here Does anyone remember what got us to this point in the first place? Maybe it was the 3000 dead bodies at the bottom of the WTC wreckage. I wonder how much ‘profit’ Bush made off that little fisco?

You pseudo intellectual idiots have lost sight of what we’re doing. It’s called kicking ass and taking names. We don’t have to apologize for a goddamm thing were doing. It’s about time we acted like we were the toughest kid on the block. It scares the crap out of me to think about what Algore would have done had he won. I know what Kerry would have done - what ever the French wanted him to do.

Facist? - ask the Iraqi people if they want us to leave. They have more freedom now than they’ve had in over 25 years.

You panty-waisted pussies who sit here wrapped in the flag need to actually contribute to society rather than tear it down. But that would entail getting a job.

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This little discussion started a little too early, by one day. Now it is April Fools Day.

Let me see the discussion so far. Bush “STOLE” the election (this hasn’t been discussed to death, has it?) even though all the recounts Gore asked for, (even after rechecking by news organizations,) still resulted in Bush winning.

The simple answer is that there are rules in place. You cannot change the rules later if the results don’t go your way. If you don’t like the rules, get them changed before hand. Otherwise all you are doing is bitching.

Next we have the complaint that Bush got financing from Osama’s brother. But he should have psychically known 22 years ahead of time what the brother of the person he might have done business was going to do.

Also when are people not supposed to do business with the relative of a terrorist, or criminal? Does this mean that Charles Manson’s brother is no longer allowed to have any business dealings? What about his sister? Niece?

The problem here is that people are using flimsy circumstantial evidence, and using illogical arguments to support their political positions.

Now I really want to mention how some people seem to avoid discussing the actual issues, and instead just bring up all of this crap. Instead of talking about who has a better tax situation we have discussions on secret fantasy connections to terrorists. Instead of talking about who has the better policy dealing with the terrorist threat, people want to whine about how their choice was “robbed”.

My only guess is that this is an attempt to avoid actual discussion about the issues, because logic will support one candidate over the other. And the only way to win is to avoid the issues, and destroy the reputation of one candidate.

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Mage,

Extremely well stated! You have just saved me the time of having to say the exact same thing!

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I would have to agree with rangertab who makes perfect sense. Being from Canada I do support the US, in their effort, and feel bad for those that will have or will lose their lives, they have served their country well. Canada should have joined the war efforts, and so should have many other countries instead of backing out like cowards. It is time to rid the world of terror, and it takes Americans to actually do it, God bless them, and to tigerboo who says iraq is not a threat to us?? heelloo, please pull your head out of your ass for a minute, saddam kills his own people!! does that register in your head?? Killing people is wrong, I agree, however if you kill a few innocent people through war, but save more by capturing terrorists, I believe it is worth it, I am tired of u people who like to not rock the boat. Lets deal with the problems, and now. By waiting and not doing nothing, nothing will change, look at 9/11? you would probably sit on your ass and say well, lets just let it go, let these terrorists run circles around us. That is some seriously dumb shit. It makes me sick to hear people say George Bush is dumb, I believe he is much smarter than Kerry and speaks far better than Kerry too, I hope you guys vote BUsh back in, he has actually got something done, as for canada we have our own political shit to deal with, and I am fed up with our Liberal party, vote conservative. I respect all those who are out fighting for us, I know many friends who have relatives that are fighting right now, Let’s rid the world of terror. Please pull ur head out of ur asses, and wake up and smell the coffee. complaining bout a lost election, let it go, u lost, now shut up, and deal with and if u cant why dont u go and cry elsewhere, I bet u are some lowlife who doesnt even train either so get out of here. God Bless

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I would have to agree with rangertab who makes perfect sense. Being from Canada I do support the US, in their effort, and feel bad for those that will have or will lose their lives, they have served their country well. Canada should have joined the war efforts, and so should have many other countries instead of backing out like cowards. It is time to rid the world of terror, and it takes Americans to actually do it, God bless them, and to tigerboo who says iraq is not a threat to us?? heelloo, please pull your head out of your ass for a minute, saddam kills his own people!! does that register in your head?? Killing people is wrong, I agree, however if you kill a few innocent people through war, but save more by capturing terrorists, I believe it is worth it, I am tired of u people who like to not rock the boat. Lets deal with the problems, and now. By waiting and not doing nothing, nothing will change, look at 9/11? you would probably sit on your ass and say well, lets just let it go, let these terrorists run circles around us. That is some seriously dumb shit. It makes me sick to hear people say George Bush is dumb, I believe he is much smarter than Kerry and speaks far better than Kerry too, I hope you guys vote BUsh back in, he has actually got something done, as for canada we have our own political shit to deal with, and I am fed up with our Liberal party, vote conservative. I respect all those who are out fighting for us, I know many friends who have relatives that are fighting right now, Let’s rid the world of terror. Please pull ur head out of ur asses, and wake up and smell the coffee. complaining bout a lost election, let it go, u lost, now shut up, and deal with and if u cant why dont u go and cry elsewhere, I bet u are some lowlife who doesnt even train either so get out of here. God Bless

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Alright tigerboo, the Saudi’s ARE active in hunting terrorists. Just because some of these assholes were born in Saudi Arabia, doesn’t mean the gov’t is behind them. I keep in touch with my buddies over there in the Middle East, but I guess they’re lying because you heard or read different.

He didn’t support terrorists that were against the US. It was never proven. He did hate us but would never have the balls to try anything against us. After 3 weeks, we demolished their army. IF he wanted to pressure gov’ts, Iraq was the wrong place.

Bullshit. As you know, I was there. I know what kind of enemy we were fighting. Terrorists were all over the fucking place.

And give up the “No Blood for Oil” attitude. It’s old, and all of those people who were chanting that in the streets have shut the fuck up by now, but obviously there’s a few people who haven’t caught on. Also, yes it’s true that we used to support violent regimes. But that has changed now, hasen’t it?? When we supported the Taliban, it was with the intent to help them defeat the Soviets, and it worked. After that, we turned our backs on their war-torn asses.
Like I said, people like me will continue to fight for you whether you like it or not.

-When in doubt, flip it to burst.

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Good post, rainjack.

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Rainjack

Who was responsible for 9/11? Who?
Cuz last time I heard it was
Some Saudi Arabian dude living
in a cave in Afganihstan!

I hate when I hear about fucking 9/11
and Iraq. Wake up America Iraq, Saddam
had nothing to do with 9/11!

Rainjack whats up with always
calling people pussy’s and shit?

Are you the all fucking knowing
beyond error who can cast judgement
at will. You talk a tuff fucking game
I wonder if you back it up half as well!

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Tigerboo–>

I can tell you specifically that the Phillipines DOES NOT support terrorism as you claim because I was there fighting terrorism in 2002 as a DIRECT RESULT of 9/11. The Abu Sayef Group had direct links to al-queida. Not to mention the fact that they had countless other terrorist groups: The NPA, MILF (hehe), MNLF, and ASG.

mikeyali

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What I love is the conservative dipshits who are willing to die for their country, but aren’t willing to live with the ideals it represents.

It is the duty of the citizen to be knowledgeable and to question the actions of their leaders. Power breeds corruption, it always has and it always will.

Democracies are based on freedom. Freedom of thought. Freedom of expression. That is what you are fighting for you stupid dipshits. Take pride in the dissenting voices and try to understand that they are precisely what makes democracy work.

Idiots. And don’t try to label me, both parties are stupid, corrupt and non-representative. Leaders in both parties are in politics for the wrong reasons. It’s a good thing we can all bear arms, if things keep going downhill it’ll be time to overthrow the government again – and that’s what that little right is about… not about shooting your neighbors when they steal your crack.

Sigh, why do I bother.

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vroom,

Excuse me, there is a difference between expressing opinion to people on a message board and going on national TV and lying about the war. As far as I’m concerned that’s treason.

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Buffpants, I’m not going to disagree with you.

However, maybe the education system needs to focus on some new areas. Doesn’t everyone realize that media has to be viewed with a jaundiced eye because it represents someones viewpoint instead of the truth?

I’m not trying to devalue history, but a lot of people feel good knowing some namby-pamby dates and times instead of their rights and associated duties as a citizen. Which is more important, the future or the past? Better yet, lets learn the meaning of the past, not focus on the damned dates and times that it all happened.

Oh well, the world has always been screwed up… no use worrying about it now. We’ve got at least a generation of rabid terrorists on the way. It won’t stop until schools “over there” are modified.