To All The Unbelievers

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
What are YOU [everyone that is a scoffer and unbeliever] going to do about YOUR sin?

If you are rejecting Christ, who claims to be the ONLY WAY to salvation – how are you going to pay? [/quote]

You bandy about the term “unbeliever” quite a bit. What about those who believe in a different sort of almighty? I don’t think you’ve answered my question regarding the damnation of other believers.

So again, are the Buddhists going to hell for peacefully worshiping in a different fashion from the bible? I’m really just curious.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
While I certainly respect someone’s right to believe in God (as I do), this thread seems a little extreme. Then again, who can forget my ‘Jaws of Satan’ thread (which the mods pulled)?

Actually, I’ve been reading Thomas Hobbes’ Leviathan of late and it does make me wonder if Christianity is just another method of control, of preventing us from engaging in a ‘war of all against all’. The self-sacrifice ethos also bothers me; when I see the people around me, I think: “Would I willingly sacrifice my rational self-interest for these drunks, crackheads, and mindless morons?” Deep in my heart, I know that the answer is a resounding “NO!”.

Good thread, Steve, good for ‘firing up the troops’!!

HH[/quote]

What do you mean “self-sacrifice”? Are you talking about Jesus’ sacrifice or a Christians?

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
What are YOU [everyone that is a scoffer and unbeliever] going to do about YOUR sin?

If you are rejecting Christ, who claims to be the ONLY WAY to salvation – how are you going to pay?

You bandy about the term “unbeliever” quite a bit. What about those who believe in a different sort of almighty? I don’t think you’ve answered my question regarding the damnation of other believers.

So again, are the Buddhists going to hell for peacefully worshiping in a different fashion from the bible? I’m really just curious.

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No Buddhists are going to hell because they believe in self-control and self-discipline but follow a leader who was so damn fat that I’m sure he was a diabetic and had heart disease. What kind of model of self-disciple is that? That’s like holding up Madonna as an advocate for sexual abstinence!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:

I see your point Professor, but if you owed money to someone – lots of money, let’s say. Now, lets say that you had some sort of memory problem, and therefore you really believed that you simply didn’t owe anything to this person. Does the fact that you believe tht you don’t owe the debt mean that you REALLY don’t owe the debt? Of course not!

Same thing here! If God says that the “wages [payment due for] of sin is death,” meaning both physical death and spiritual death – then I ask once again.

What are YOU [everyone that is a scoffer and unbeliever] going to do about YOUR sin?

If you are rejecting Christ, who claims to be the ONLY WAY to salvation – how are you going to pay?

You obviously don’t see my point because you are still asking the same question. To someone who refuses to believe in God, THERE IS NO DEBT. Therefore, how could someone who believes there is no debt come up with an answer of how to pay a debt they don’t believe in? Your approach makes no sense at all. It is like you get off on trying to ram God down the throats of others. First, that has to be the CHOICE of the individual whether they believe. You have nothing to do with it. You trying to force people to believe is the same mentality that has led to wars based on religion in the past. In fact, I truly believe the only reason you aren’t a part of a Crusade to kill the non-believers if they don’t convert is because in this day and age, you would get arrested.[/quote]

There must be some sort of self satisfaction from this type of hammering. Over the last couple of months several people have tried to explain in various threads that the tactic he has chosen to use is probably having the exact opposite result and hurting the cause he claims to want to promote so badly.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:

I see your point Professor, but if you owed money to someone – lots of money, let’s say. Now, lets say that you had some sort of memory problem, and therefore you really believed that you simply didn’t owe anything to this person. Does the fact that you believe tht you don’t owe the debt mean that you REALLY don’t owe the debt? Of course not!

Same thing here! If God says that the “wages [payment due for] of sin is death,” meaning both physical death and spiritual death – then I ask once again.

What are YOU [everyone that is a scoffer and unbeliever] going to do about YOUR sin?

If you are rejecting Christ, who claims to be the ONLY WAY to salvation – how are you going to pay?

You obviously don’t see my point because you are still asking the same question. To someone who refuses to believe in God, THERE IS NO DEBT. Therefore, how could someone who believes there is no debt come up with an answer of how to pay a debt they don’t believe in? Your approach makes no sense at all. It is like you get off on trying to ram God down the throats of others. First, that has to be the CHOICE of the individual whether they believe. You have nothing to do with it. You trying to force people to believe is the same mentality that has led to wars based on religion in the past. In fact, I truly believe the only reason you aren’t a part of a Crusade to kill the non-believers if they don’t convert is because in this day and age, you would get arrested.[/quote]

Well said Prof’. Steveo how do you know that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation? Because the Bible says so? What happens if I go up to heaven and God tells me to go to hell for believing this? How do I know YOU aren’t some sort of temptation trying to steer me off the path of righteousness?

How do I know the Bible is not a temptation? How do I know when I get up to the pearly gates God won’t say:

“Does that sound like something I’d do or tell you to do? Why would you believe that? Didn’t I bless you with the gift of a brain capable of critical and complex thought? Apparently I didn’t; you go to hell, do not pass “Go,” and do not collect $200.”

What then?

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:

No Buddhists are going to hell because they believe in self-control and self-discipline but follow a leader who was so damn fat that I’m sure he was a diabetic and had heart disease. What kind of model of self-disciple is that? That’s like holding up Madonna as an advocate for sexual abstinence!

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I nominate this is as the most asinine thing I’ve read on these forums all week.

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[quote]Stigg. wrote:
This thread IS off topic for this forum. So here is a pic of Girls Aloud. [/quote]

The one in the middle deserves her own thread!

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[quote]Go-Rilla wrote:
There must be some sort of self satisfaction from this type of hammering. Over the last couple of months several people have tried to explain in various threads that the tactic he has chosen to use is probably having the exact opposite result and hurting the cause he claims to want to promote so badly.[/quote]

This is all for steveo’s self-satisfaction. In fact, I’m starting think that he doesn’t believe in Christianity at all, but is simply a troll that finds it humorous to start these threads. Whether he believes or not one thing is clear: These posts have nothing to do with bringing glory to God, and everything to do with fulfilling some personal need he has, whatever that may be.

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[quote]Moriarty wrote:
Go-Rilla wrote:
There must be some sort of self satisfaction from this type of hammering. Over the last couple of months several people have tried to explain in various threads that the tactic he has chosen to use is probably having the exact opposite result and hurting the cause he claims to want to promote so badly.

This is all for steveo’s self-satisfaction. In fact, I’m starting think that he doesn’t believe in Christianity at all, but is simply a troll that finds it humorous to start these threads. Whether he believes or not one thing is clear: These posts have nothing to do with bringing glory to God, and everything to do with fulfilling some personal need he has, whatever that may be.[/quote]

Agreed! This has been mentioned before and has bounced off like a golf ball on a brick wall.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
While I certainly respect someone’s right to believe in God (as I do), this thread seems a little extreme. Then again, who can forget my ‘Jaws of Satan’ thread (which the mods pulled)?

Actually, I’ve been reading Thomas Hobbes’ Leviathan of late and it does make me wonder if Christianity is just another method of control, of preventing us from engaging in a ‘war of all against all’. The self-sacrifice ethos also bothers me; when I see the people around me, I think: “Would I willingly sacrifice my rational self-interest for these drunks, crackheads, and mindless morons?” Deep in my heart, I know that the answer is a resounding “NO!”.

Good thread, Steve, good for ‘firing up the troops’!!

HH

What do you mean “self-sacrifice”? Are you talking about Jesus’ sacrifice or a Christians?

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Jesus gives up his life to redeem the sins of mankind. He suffers terribly for the good of others. Looking at some of the locals around here, I’d say they’re not worth it. So, I’m talking about what he did, as an example to follow (I would not).

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[quote]Go-Rilla wrote:
Stigg. wrote:
This thread IS off topic for this forum. So here is a pic of Girls Aloud.

The one in the middle deserves her own thread![/quote]

I’m having some pretty ‘sinful’ thoughts about her as well! :slight_smile:

HH

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Go-Rilla wrote:
Stigg. wrote:
This thread IS off topic for this forum. So here is a pic of Girls Aloud.

The one in the middle deserves her own thread!

I’m having some pretty ‘sinful’ thoughts about her as well! :slight_smile:

HH
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You pray for me and I’ll pray for you…but I’m going to keep looking.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:

I see your point Professor, but if you owed money to someone – lots of money, let’s say. Now, lets say that you had some sort of memory problem, and therefore you really believed that you simply didn’t owe anything to this person. Does the fact that you believe tht you don’t owe the debt mean that you REALLY don’t owe the debt? Of course not!

Same thing here! If God says that the “wages [payment due for] of sin is death,” meaning both physical death and spiritual death – then I ask once again.

What are YOU [everyone that is a scoffer and unbeliever] going to do about YOUR sin?

If you are rejecting Christ, who claims to be the ONLY WAY to salvation – how are you going to pay?

You obviously don’t see my point because you are still asking the same question. To someone who refuses to believe in God, THERE IS NO DEBT. Therefore, how could someone who believes there is no debt come up with an answer of how to pay a debt they don’t believe in? Your approach makes no sense at all. It is like you get off on trying to ram God down the throats of others. First, that has to be the CHOICE of the individual whether they believe. You have nothing to do with it. You trying to force people to believe is the same mentality that has led to wars based on religion in the past. In fact, I truly believe the only reason you aren’t a part of a Crusade to kill the non-believers if they don’t convert is because in this day and age, you would get arrested.[/quote]

Prof,

I DO actually see your point, but I think you are also missing mine. Perhaps we are talking or writing past each other.

You do make a good point that it has to be a personal choice, but the Bible does say that “faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.” So, there is nothing wrong with debating about these matters. As far as “ramming,” C’mon Prof – people either CHOOSE (remember you are the one who is big on ‘choice’) to take part in these threads or not. So, your allegation is totally without merit.

As far as trying to equate ME with the CRUSADES – again, C’mon Prof. This is a tired old tactic. Where am I coming with weapons to force people to believe.

This is a public forum and we are posting and debating. That’s all…

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[quote]electric_eales wrote:
what is my sin?[/quote]

Have you ever done any or all of the following?

(1) Lie
(2) Steal
(3) Lust after someone

Let me know and you will then answer your own question.

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Unbelievers dont sin, they do wrong, without the christian paraphernalia.

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Is this steveo guy the same one who talked about “greasing the groove with many cheap girls?”

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
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No Buddhists are going to hell because they believe in self-control and self-discipline but follow a leader who was so damn fat that I’m sure he was a diabetic and had heart disease. What kind of model of self-disciple is that? That’s like holding up Madonna as an advocate for sexual abstinence!

[/quote]

Her namesake was a virgin.

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[quote]storey420 wrote:
Lorisco wrote:

No Buddhists are going to hell because they believe in self-control and self-discipline but follow a leader who was so damn fat that I’m sure he was a diabetic and had heart disease. What kind of model of self-disciple is that? That’s like holding up Madonna as an advocate for sexual abstinence!

I nominate this is as the most asinine thing I’ve read on these forums all week.[/quote]

You must be sarcastically challenged. More comments like this and you will get your own handicapped parking space in front of the gym for those who are too stupid to get sarcasm.

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
I see your point Professor, but if you owed money to someone – lots of money, let’s say. Now, lets say that you had some sort of memory problem, and therefore you really believed that you simply didn’t owe anything to this person. Does the fact that you believe tht you don’t owe the debt mean that you REALLY don’t owe the debt? Of course not!
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See? this is comparing apples to oranges. If I take money from someone I am obliged to repay it. In the case of spirituality I haven’t taken anything from anyone…so therefore this logic doesn’t hold up.

Besides, my god will kick your god’s ass–and his little son’s, too.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
While I certainly respect someone’s right to believe in God (as I do), this thread seems a little extreme. Then again, who can forget my ‘Jaws of Satan’ thread (which the mods pulled)?

Actually, I’ve been reading Thomas Hobbes’ Leviathan of late and it does make me wonder if Christianity is just another method of control, of preventing us from engaging in a ‘war of all against all’. The self-sacrifice ethos also bothers me; when I see the people around me, I think: “Would I willingly sacrifice my rational self-interest for these drunks, crackheads, and mindless morons?” Deep in my heart, I know that the answer is a resounding “NO!”.

Good thread, Steve, good for ‘firing up the troops’!!

HH

What do you mean “self-sacrifice”? Are you talking about Jesus’ sacrifice or a Christians?

Jesus gives up his life to redeem the sins of mankind. He suffers terribly for the good of others. Looking at some of the locals around here, I’d say they’re not worth it. So, I’m talking about what he did, as an example to follow (I would not).

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Fortunately, that is not something we can or could do as we are not sinless. So we couldn’t die for the sins of others even if we wanted to. It is also fortunate that Jesus and God must see something in all of mankind that is worth saving, because like you, if it was me, I would have a hard time with saving some of these people.