[quote]Mordred wrote:
I reject the very idea that you call SIN. Since there is no good reason to believe that such a thing exists, I see no reason to do anything about it. I very seldom bother dealing with nonexistant things.
So what do you call it when you have lied in your life? A good deed? Talk about silly…
No…I call it a lie. You are the one being silly. You jump from the idea that I don’t believe in what you call SIN to the assertion that I believe lying is a good dead? Wow.
Let’s see if you can follow this. I do not believe that telling a lie forces God (who is supposedly omnipotent and therefore can’t be forced to do anything…hmmmm) to damn my immortal soul. I do not believe this because I reject the claim that there is a god, and reject the claim that I have a soul. This in no way goes to supporting the idea that lying a good deed.
And I should believe your bible because?
Because it is God’s Word.
And you know this how?
It gets its authority from where?
The God that made you.
Which god is that again? Please describe…and then prove that he exists.
I have no idea what this drivel means.
And this only goes to show precisely what your problem is. You appear to be totally unable to process the very idea that someone can have a worldview that is not exactly like your own.
So you can lie, steal, cheat, lust, take God’s name in vain…and you have done good in your view? Strange fella indeed.
How does not believing that there is some mystical, other-wordly penalty for my actions lead to the conclusion that these things are in fact good in my estimation? It doesn’t. Just because I don’t think I will be penalized for these things after I die does not mean I am not fully aware of the very real and immediate consequences they carry in the real world. Of course I would say that lust is not always negative (though it can be) and taking any god’s name in vain is neither inherently good or bad.
Interesting – looks to me like you cannot answer so you attack the question and the questioner.
I did answer. I also chose to expound as to why I think the question is just plain dumb.
Actually, this makes perfect sense. If you don’t believe the Bible in the first place, then how can you use part of something you don’t believe in against itself? This doesn’t make sense…
Hey, let’s play everyone’s favorite game…repeat the obvious…showing that something is not internally consistant is a perfectly good way to invalidate it. If I went along with your line of thinking here…the only possible way for me to invalidate any argument, philosophy, or worldview would be to actually believe it first!
So you have admitted that your “non-belief” is rooted in your own imagination. In other words, you have made it up. Thanks – at least this has been answered albeit in a round about way.
I was unaware that I needed some kind of authoritative source to not believe in something.
What exactly is your “authority” anyway?
God
Wow…this should be fun. Please prove that this God exists. Until you can, I hardly think it qualifies as an authority. I can just as easily conjure up an unprovable entity to act as an authority for any assertion that I choose as well.
Again, I beg to differ. My questions attempt to strip away all of the “you are nuts,” “you s**k,” “get off the forums,” “this makes no sense,” etc. I have asked these questions in the exact same framework as I have stated my beliefs. So therefore these are very fair.
Again, your question is totally nonsensical in the context of an atheistic worldview. That you cannot wrap your mind around this tells me something.
It just seems to me that you don’t wish to address them, so you say that it is stupid to avoid the fact that you have no answers.
Look again…I have an answer. I have a very short, very succinct answer that meets all your qualifications.
NOTHING
I require no authority to reject unproven claims.
Again, I am thankful that you have admitted that your beliefs that there is no God, no sin, and no judgement to come is made up out of your own head without any authority.
I don’t believe that there is no god, no sin, and no judgment to come. I lack these beliefs. I did not have to magically make up anything to lack these beliefs. The assertions that there is a god, there is sin, and there is a judgement to come in some kind of afterlife were made. The evidence supporting these assertions is insufficient. Therefore, I do not believe them.
I find it funny that you can claim to come from some kind of higher authority than I do. Prove that a god exists, then prove that your God is that god…then we can talk. The rest of this is just mental masturbation, and only goes to highlight your major malfunction…you cannot conceive that other people can think in entirely different ways than you.
Problem is that how do you know you are right? What if you are wrong? What then?
Pascal’s Wager is bad, mmmkay?
“Your own reason is the only oracle given you by heaven, and you are answerable not for the rightness, but the uprightness of the decision.” ?Thomas Jefferson
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So it all boils down to “proving God…”
Well, God really cannot be “proven” as with a mathematical theorem, but I can come close using the following parallel:
When you see a beautiful painting, how do you know their was a painter? When you see a great building – like the Empire State Building (Hey, I am a New Yorker) how do you know that their was a builder? When you see an intricate watch, how do you know there was a watchmaker?
The answer: The painting, the building, the watch, demands a painter, a builder, and a watchmaker.
So also does God’s Creation demand God!
Q.E.D.
