Why? As long as there is traceability and validation, I don’t see any issue with making voting a bit easier.
They were proclaiming that because he was the winner. They would have proclaimed something different if recounts showed Trump won. But they didn’t. And all the straw grasping just confirmed that Biden won. Courts, recounts, investigations, all confirmed. I don’t believe the confirmed voter fraud for Trump changed the outcome anywhere. Haven’t looked into it in a while but I would guess we’d know right?
Trump and his loonies would never accept a Trump loss. Should the MSM still be saying it’s undecided as Trump hasn’t conceded or something? I’m going to guess anyone who called the race is automatically MSM because that’s a beautiful far right catch all for media that doesn’t agree with them.
I mean you can call out the media for a lot of things but reporting the winner of the election isn’t exactly new.
For a few reasons:
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Speaking for the U.K. experience, there have been a few U.K. households that have ended up as defacto 1 man, 12 votes, because the head of the household will decide everyone’s postal vote, which cannot happen in a ballot booth.
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Voter minds can be made up by events that may happen day of, postal votes aren’t nearly so responsive to events.
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That ‘if’ you highlight is a very big if. They are more susceptible to fraud, and barring a pandemic or the reasons I outlined, I don’t see why you should expose the system to unnecessary exposure to fraud (even if said fraud doesn’t materialise in any widespread fashion.)
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So reason 2 isn’t mitigated by traceability and validation. 1 and 3 are. I think number 2 is a legit concern, but I also doubt any significant percentage change their mind between casting a mail ballot and day of election.
I would be for an online system. It seems filing taxes works, so I think voting could work. Just needs to have proper validation and traceability.
For the record, I don’t think the GOP fascination with making voting more difficult is a sane ballot strategy, and wouldn’t oppose Australian style mandatory voting with government sponsored ID.
3 possibly. 1, no chance. Particularly among the religiously orthodox Pakistani community in places like Bradford. It is impossible to police with chain of custody security, because that isn’t what is causing the issue.
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And this kind of thing is why I took issue with the writing (style) of the article and called it clickbait. Throwing around the kind of words the author used is an extremely easy way to ensure you get more posts like Beyond Beyonds. “OMG SECRET OPERATIVES!!!”
It’s just crying for the conspiracy folks to take issue with.
Quite. Also, since it has been raised, recall that the 2016 investigation was done while Trump was in office, with control of the Senate. He was STILL in office until January. So in this make believe world he could still have spearheaded the super-fraud buster investigation because… He was in office and had his AG in control.
There wasn’t anything there, that’s why there wasn’t any major ongoing investigation like 2016’s collusion deal. Trump and Barr would be the FIRST to want those headlines, you better believe they would have searched high and low. And guess what… They did search. 0-60 in court.
This whole thing is just nonsense - it assumes that the man who would most benefit from an investigation is powerless to do anything despite being president. And having his AG in charge.
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Indeed. And it wasn’t like he wasn’t secretive or active in his attempts to pressure states, lawmakers, election officials, etc anyways. He exhausted all measures possible and of course did numerous things that are either illegal or unethical in the process.
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The problem was they were proclaiming Biden a winner, before he was officially confirmed. From the Times article, Trump said on Dec. 2. “Within days after the election, we witnessed an orchestrated effort to anoint the winner, even while many key states were still being counted.”
In a way, Trump was right.
Combine this with social media bans on people who even suggested conspiracies, or wanted investigation into electoral anomalies. Its part of a continuation of the admitted conspiracy.
I can’t say for sure either, because they still haven’t been properly investigated yet. I believe the authorities are still looking into the allegations.
The “pillow guy” did a long video in which he describes many large breaches of voter laws, with ineligible voter’s votes being counted, multiple votes from the same person, dead people voting, more people voting than were listed on the electoral roll. This is all information from the relevant official electoral authorities from the states in question.
Regardless of what a thorough investigation finds, Biden is POTUS. I can’t see that being invalidated even years down the track of his term if enough evidence in found and proven. It would be too much of a shock for the body politic, no one would ever trust a close election result again, regardless of the winning side allegiances…
You mean like every other election in modern history? Had no basis on anything. When should they tell people he won? Inauguration Day? The election wasn’t even that close. Any other year we would have had a concession the day after. It’s only because Trump’s a baby (and still hasn’t conceded) that it didn’t happen sooner.
That stuff was all over anyways. Most of the big sites didn’t even start taking action until later on. They don’t owe anyone a right to spread demonstrably false and dangerous information. And that shit was everywhere for a long time. It’s why you know all the shit you think happened even though you are on the other side of the globe.
Oh man that’s convincing. I’m sure you bought everything hook line and sinker as well. Check out this video by the guy who is being sued over the election!
You mean the GOP controlled states that did recounts and audits and said nothing. Also you mean states in question because the only states “in question” by the Trump conspiracy mobs are ones that were close that Trump lost in. They aren’t exactly looking closely at Florida or Ohio huh? But isn’t it possible Biden won those? Oh no no chance voter fraud is only Dems.
Bullshit and conjecture.
But I can’t see YOU admitting Trump lost no matter how many court cases are lost how many recounts, etc. it will always be in question because the guy you wanted to win lost. And he told you if he lost the fix was in. And for some reason you bought it like an attempted certificate from the fraudulent Trump University.
That’s the weirdest thing about all of this. You don’t just buy into it but you buy into it from someone whose entire history is built on lies and fraud.
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Sure mate, you just won’t both to detail why, so you put up a lame meme, and think that is a valid retort. Refute the details, or I can’t take your opinion seriously.
The 30 seconds I spent finding and posting the meme was all your post was worth, and frankly all that was needed.
Besides you wouldn’t have the character to admit your post was top-to-bottom bullshit regardless of what I showed you, so why would I bother? You haven’t earned any more of my time.
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According to what I found this rolled across the screen before it aired on Trump’s station One America News.
“The statements and claims expressed in this program are presented at this time as opinions only and are not intended to be taken or interpreted by the viewer as established facts.”
I’m going to guess you ignored that immediately huh?
You also seem to ignore what over 60 failed court cases? Countless elections officials who have said no fraud, countless Republican officials and Trump supporters who have said no fraud, Trumps hand picked AG, his largely Republican appointed Supreme Court?
Cyber intelligence calling it one (or the) most secure elections in history?
The media don’t decide who wins an election, they are supposed to report the news, not make it up. They didn’t wait for the results to be confirmed by election officials.
You obviously haven’t paid any attention to the youtube social media purges between the 2016 election ,and the 2020 election. Very convenient, though you probably wouldn’t know if you were a MSM zombie.
What you call demonstrably false and dangerous information is more often just a different opinion to MSM. You must be deaf or stupid because they admitted that they were always anti Trump, since the 2016 election, and were in on the times conspiracy.
They are not even pretending to be unbiased. They set the narrative and you just inhale it in without question.
I might take you seriously if you had even watched his video, let alone considered what he had to say, and refuted his points. Its over an hour so its probably well beyond your attention span, so I won’t hold my breath, in you bothering.
And no I’m not accepting everything he said as true without question, just that his allegations should be investigated, for the sake of transparency. If he’s wrong then you have nothing to lose.
Well the Dem’s didn’t make any allegations of voter fraud. Maybe they were too busy with their own conspiring to bother.
Unlike you I can accept a result that goes against the candidate I support. If a thorough investigation reveals that, fair enough.
A side that is accused of cheating and has nothing to hide, doesn’t try to silence the questioning. If there are anomalies they explain why their actions. If its plausible people believe and accept the explanation.
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That’s right , deflect and project so you won’t have to do any work to prove your argument. If you are so sure about your opinion, you should be easily able to provide facts to back your position. Unlike you I am open to having my opinion change, if the facts go that way.People in your camp don’t even want the allegations investigated just dismissed. You don’t have any character yourself, you’re a lazy bundle of sticks, I’m sure you catch my drift.
To continue your Star Wars reference, and the Force isn’t with you. You’re a tool of the Empire, whether you realise it or not. You’re probably too dumb to realise it.
So what your telling me is that you didn’t bother to watch the entire video, just the intro.
Pathetic.
They didn’t make it up. Biden won the election. Were you throwing a fit from thousands of miles away when they said Trump won? Which I believe was the night of and she conceded the next day?
Why do I need to refute his points? Why do I need to watch his video? You think if I think the Holocaust happened (which if I remember right you are a doubter) I need to watch every loony Holocaust denying YouTube video?
We had a huge thread where we debunked almost everything that anyone was saying happened. We did this once already. I googled his main points and they are saying the same stupid shit that has been debunked over and over again. North Korea didn’t send ballots in through the harbors of Maine. Do I need to watch a two hour video to know that that’s horseshit?
But they have countless times. Should the US government investigate every crackpot theory out there? You wouldn’t accept the results anyways. You already don’t accept the overwhelming amount of credible evidence to the contrary. No matter what was done you would dismiss it as deep state swamp or something else. Your identity is buying into all the far right conspiracy greatest hits albums. It’s not a matter of being able to prove the stuff wrong. You wouldn’t even accept the proof.
Apparently you can’t. Don’t believe I whined and cried for months saying stop the steal for any election. I’ve been posting here a while I think you’ll be hard pressed to find that from me.
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Even worse I googled it dumbass. I told you apparently. And it’s also laughable that you’re getting worked up over the fact I haven’t watched it. You’re demanding I watch another video or read another article with the exact same allegations that have been dismissed in court, proved wrong, etc. I’m sure “this” video is different!
You didn’t even watch a video by the pillow dude being sued for false claims! Pathetic!
this is funny stuff. If I refuted every line with evidence where would that get me? My sources would all be deep state swamp Jews or something that you can’t trust.
I wish him the best of luck in his lawsuit.
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The election is not done at least until the recounts in are finalised, Counting hadn’t even finished the night of the election, let alone the next day, and that didn’t include the recounts of disputed seats.
You need to at least know what someone is saying before you can dismiss it. You don’t even bother trying and think that you hold the moral high ground for no apparent reason.
What the fuck does this have to do with the holocaust? Your just trying to avoid having to actually watch the video, and properly answer my question. I might actually start to take you seriously if you did.
We did have a huge thread and no you didn’t debunk shit, you just had a different opinion. I’ve never claimed anything to do with North Korea and the election. But once again you’re criticising something without watching it., so you don’t really know what your talking about.
What are you so afraid of, if you think someone’s intellectual position is incorrect, and that you can explain that its wrong with legitimate reasons? Maybe your arguments have holes in them. But you are too lazy to look at all the information before you make a judgement… just believe what the MSM tells you is the truth. Especially after they admit being part of the conspiracy.
Conservatives seem to be able to live with the fact that other people have a different opinions to them. Liberals for all their talk about equality, fairness and tolerance, are full of shit . They can’t handle disagreement, you must obey them without question or you will be censored or cancelled. They are the most intolerant of all hypocrites.
I don’t know about you personally but your Democrat mates sure did bitch and whine about election interference when Trump won in 2016. It took several years to investigate that claim. I didn’t hear a single Democrat complainer eat humble pie and admit that they were wrong, when no evidence of Russian collusion was found.
Forgive me until I hear what the investigations on the 2020 election are when they are completed, before I make my judgement. You plonkers were at least given the courtesy by your opposition of an investigation into their claims. I suppose that’s too much to expect from your type.
In the meantime enjoy Biden letting foreign criminals out of detention back into your society.
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