Time to Nut up or Shut up

1/22 - Wednesday - W2D2 Bench

Not the best day, but I got all the work in. Found out my hormone levels are pretty screwed up. Testosterone is super low at 350, and free is well out of the range. And for the thyroid I’m not converting T4 to T3 properly. T4 levels are normal but T3 is at the bottom of the range. Will try a couple more things before attempting any hormone prescriptions like T3 itself. The plan is to eat a LOT more carbs, keep eating natural fatty foods, and possibly lower protein intake a bit to make room for the carbs.

CG Bench
197.5 x 1 @ 87.5%
180 x 5 x 2 sets @ 80%
135 x 15 @ 60%

CG Floor Press
175 x 1 @ 87.5%
160 x 5 x 2 sets @ 80%
120 x 15 @ 60%

Pinwheel Curls / Side Raises
27.5 x 20,18,15 / 15 x 15 x 3

Rope Pushdown / Rope Hammer Curl
60 x 20,15,15 each

Pecker Decker
90 x 15 x 3

Keep up the great work, you’ll get this hormone stuff figured out.

Interesting, I should get my levels checked out. Think thyroid may be messed up as well. What have noticeable side effects been pre diagnosis?

[quote]chobbs wrote:
Keep up the great work, you’ll get this hormone stuff figured out.[/quote]
Thanks! I sure hope I can fix it and not go on hormones.

[quote]Jlabs wrote:
Interesting, I should get my levels checked out. Think thyroid may be messed up as well. What have noticeable side effects been pre diagnosis?[/quote]
Several things I noticed was that I just didn’t feel excited about much anymore.
Sleep has not been good for the last 3-4 years.
Libido sucks ass. This is really awful considering my girlfriends sex drive is through the roof…
I rarely feel motivated to do much in life.

Basically I’m wrecked…lol

1/23 - Thursday - Conditioning

Jump Rope x 2
100 regular
100 lateral
100 high steps

Treadmill Hill Sprints
8mph x 15 seconds x 15 @ 13% incline. 30 seconds of rest between.

1/24 - Friday - W2D3 Accessory Day

Its crazy how people can eat 2-3 times their weight in carbs to me. I’m struggling to reach 2x! Too early to tell much of a difference with more carbs yet, but I am using more toilet paper…

Front Squat
140 x 9 x 4 sets @ 70%

1A DB Row
55 x 8
65 x 8
75 x 8
85 x 13 (used strap)

45 Back Extension
BW x 20 x 3

Pull Ups
6,6,6,5,5

Pallof Press
27.5 x 10 x 3

Do you think that low carb is what caused your issues?? I remember when I dieted down to like 110lbs and hardly ate any carbs, all my shit got fucked up too.
The thought of sex actually made me feel sick to my stomach, LOL!

I didn’t really have the energy to care about anything either, I was basically just a drone.

[quote]Spock81 wrote:
Do you think that low carb is what caused your issues?? I remember when I dieted down to like 110lbs and hardly ate any carbs, all my shit got fucked up too.
The thought of sex actually made me feel sick to my stomach, LOL!

I didn’t really have the energy to care about anything either, I was basically just a drone. [/quote]
I do believe low carb contributed largely to my issues. Looking at the blood work it makes sense. Low carb can be great for sedentary people, but I feel those like us thrive on higher carbs. With all the activity we do surely our body can use the fuel to recover. You can only make so much glucose with protein and fat.

Anyway, glad you feel better now! Hope I recover too, but I feel it may be a while with how long I’ve been screwed up.

And here is my bloodwork. I have a thread in the t replacement forum to get some advice.

Testosterone, Serum
351 ng/dL (348-1197)

Free Testosterone(Direct)
7.8 Low pg/mL (9.3-26.5)

FSH
5.4 mIU/mL (1.5-12.4)

LH
5.2 mIU/mL (1.7-8.6)

DHEA-Sulfate
327.1 ug/dL (138.5-475.2)

Estradiol
8.4 pg/mL (7.6-42.6)

Prostate Specific Ag, Serum
0.9 ng/mL (0.0-4.0)

[b]Thyroid[/b]

TSH
5.200 HIGH uIU/mL (0.450-4.500)

Total T4
9.3 ug/dL (4.5-12.0)

T3 Uptake
36 % (24-39)

Free Thyroxine Index
3.3 (1.2-4.9)

T4,Free(Direct)
1.43 ng/dL (0.82-1.77)

Reverse T3, Serum
14.6 ng/dL (9.2-24.1)

Triiodothyronine (T3)
79 ng/dL (71-180)

Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum
2.4 pg/mL (2.0-4.4)

Hey, Mighty. It’s the strong ass teenager online buddy of yours. :wink: So how’s training? I see your hormones are still messed up, and so are mine at the moment. My general care doctor is also not giving a shit, and I need to go have an appointment with a decent Doctor to get my hormones checked (apparently my body decided it wants to have unilateral gyno as a teenager), and hopefully get on some meds to fix whatever is wrong.

Training has been alright for myself, I hit a 25 pound PR on my troy bar that is five pounds off of my all time record (I pretty much just struggle off the floor because of how stiff the barbell is then the rest of the lift is ridiculessly easy because of my mid/lockout strength I built up for using a decent deadlifting bar) , and I'm gonna go for a 100% raw 350 squat somewhat soon, and I had benched 255 with a pause at 175 and found out my pecs/lats need to get stronger if I want to permanently break through the 1.5Xbw barrier. 

1/27 - Monday - W3D1 Squat/Deadlift

Squat
262.5 x 1 @ 87.5%
240 x 6 x 2 @ 80%

Paused Squat
185 x 5

Deadlift
365 x 1 @ 87.5%
335 x 3 x 3 @ 80%

45 Back Extensions
25 x 15 x 3

[quote]Teenagestrength wrote:
Hey, Mighty. It’s the strong ass teenager online buddy of yours. :wink: So how’s training? I see your hormones are still messed up, and so are mine at the moment. My general care doctor is also not giving a shit, and I need to go have an appointment with a decent Doctor to get my hormones checked (apparently my body decided it wants to have unilateral gyno as a teenager), and hopefully get on some meds to fix whatever is wrong.

Training has been alright for myself, I hit a 25 pound PR on my troy bar that is five pounds off of my all time record (I pretty much just struggle off the floor because of how stiff the barbell is then the rest of the lift is ridiculessly easy because of my mid/lockout strength I built up for using a decent deadlifting bar) , and I'm gonna go for a 100% raw 350 squat somewhat soon, and I had benched 255 with a pause at 175 and found out my pecs/lats need to get stronger if I want to permanently break through the 1.5Xbw barrier. [/quote]

That sucks man! Maybe you should quite taking all those roids! :stuck_out_tongue: Seriously though, hope you get that gyno crap fixed!

Training has been going okay. I’ve been doing my own programming the last 3 weeks, but may go back to 531 for at least the squat and deadlift. I should probably stop doing high intensity on both the lifts the same day…

The stiff barbell will help you get stronger! I always have to use one at 24hr fitness and when I get to the meet it feel so much easier and brings up confidence.

1/28 - Tuesday - Conditioning

Going a little easier on conditioning now.

Rower
1000m in 6:00.

Farmer Walks

Ab Wheel- 20, standing 10 x 2
Jump Rope- 100 x 3
DB Swing- 45 x 15 x 3

Treadmill Hill Sprints
8.2 mph x 15 seconds x 6 @ 13% incline

1/29 - Wednesday - Bench C1W1 5’s

Really like the template I’ve been doing the last 3 weeks as far as all the lifts go. I have decided to change the program to 531 again though. I’ll be doing it with bench/floor press on same day. Monday I’ll still be doing squat/deadlift, but will be alternating 531 for each lift while doing light volume work with the other one.

Workout was great! I had major swoleness going on.

CG Bench
130 x 5
150 x 5
170 x 8 (Definitely had 10 at least, but am forcing myself to leave reps in the tank.)
130 x 17

CG Floor Press
115 x 5
135 x 5
155 x 8 (2 in tank)
115 x 17

Pinwheel Curl / Side Raise
27.5 x 20,15,15 / 15 x 15 x 3

Rope Pushdown / Rope Hammer Curl
60 x 20,15,12

Pecker Decker
90 x 15 x 3

1/30 - Thursday - Conditioning

Rower
Battery was dead and didnt have phone so have no idea how many meters or how much time I did.

Jump Rope x 2
100 regulars
100 high knees
100 lateral

Treadmill Hill Sprints
8.5 mph x 10 seconds x 5 @ 13% incline
8.8 mph x 10 seconds x 5 @ 13% incline
9.1 mph x 10 seconds x 5 @ 13% incline
20 seconds rest between all sprints

1/31 - Friday - Accessory Day

Couldnt ever get my left hand comfortable during front squats this workout. It was feeling really stretched by the end of each set.

Front Squat
140 x 10 x 4 @ 70%

1A DB Row
60 x 6
70 x 6
80 x 6
90 x 14 (Big PR)

45 Back Extension
BW x 20 x 3

Pull Ups
6,6,6,5,5

Pallof Press
27.5 x 10 x 3

Dude. Just out of curiousity, when was the last time you took a complete week or two off of training? I mean, off of everything?

I know you’re doing a fair deal of conditioning and playing hockey to boot, and I ask as I was faced with a very similar hormonal problem (low T, low free T, low E, wonky thyroid hormones – basically everything just went on holiday) when I was in my early twenties. It required me to take some time off completely and to put on some more bodymass in order to get my levels back into the normal range – and this despite the fact that the stupid-ass endos just wanted to throw me on TRT and forget about everything (they actually did this, and I ended up revolting after a few months). It took a couple of years to get into full gear again, but it was worth it. Now, about ten years later, I feel better than ever. I’m still thin but feel better with every kilo I put on (it’s a slow process!). I think there’s some kind of homeostasis that everyone’s body needs to reach, and some people just have to work harder to find this level.

I know it’s tough as an athlete, but I found that the “less is more” cliché applied quite well to my situation back then. My work capacity now is much better and I’m able to program hard training in again (I was training for different sports at that time, but still) and keep my hormones at rather normal levels. There’s still the odd day when I feel beat up and know that it has to do with “low levels”, but I thankfully also know how to remedy this. I also know when I need to back down, which is, as I get older, more frequently. That said, I’ve made more progress in the last two years of training than I ever did as a teenager or in my early twenties.

My mantra has been keeping everything in balance (OK, so I’m on the cliché bandwagon): sleep is king, heavy compound training should be your basis (as it already is for you – but think of the “training budget” and not wasting too much on accessory work), and aiming for anabolism instead of catabolism. For me, the latter meant eating like a horse and cutting out almost all conditioning. I still lead an active lifestyle (avid pedestrian and grocery-carrier for my wife) and enjoy the odd sprint or squash game, but I notice the effects of too much endurance work on my endocrine balance. I’d rather be hormonally happy and carry a kilo or two extra bodyfat than be completely cut and limp-peckered (pardon my French, but I think you get the picture).

I’m not trying to say that my situation completely applies to what you’re experiencing and hope you take my story/masked advice with a grain of salt. I just wish I knew back then what I know now – at the beginning, I still tried to fit in as much activity as possible in order to stay lean, which, however, ultimately sabotaged my own progress in terms of both health and relationships (I’m sure you’d also give up a few workouts if it meant that you’d be better able to satisfy your gal’s, er, libido, as you mention). Again, grain of salt.

Best of luck! You’re really motivated and have the work ethic to boot. I’ll be following your progress.

Thanks for the message man! I did read it all! :slight_smile:

As I’ve researched how to get better I just hadn’t figured out how to really fix it until possibly now. Back when I got results in July I took about 4 weeks completely off and just did walking. And when I got back into lifting I just did 2 days a week pretty easy until a little while ago. Obviously that didn’t help…

So recently I came across research that I was surprised I hadn’t noticed before: not only did I need to eat more, but apparently an adequate amount of carbs is very important in helping the CNS recover and keeping cortisol at a lower level(which can help with hormone levels). I didn’t realize that I might need to up my intake so much! These last 11 days or so since I started eating a lot more carbs my weight has shot up and energy in workouts is better. So I guess I’m going to see if the new diet strategy will help return my hormone levels back to normal while still being able to push it in the gym several days a week.

But about deloading…I’ll be going lighter next week actually. Have gone pretty heavy on the squat/deadlift days lately so will be doing light volume work Monday. I may continue hard with the upper body Wednesday though, and then lighten the intensity on my accessory day Friday.

I’m gonna give this a little time and see if I begin to feel a lot better. A big indicator will be my sleep quality too. I have a meet in April I’d like to do so am hoping for a speedy recovery.

And you’re right; I am pretty motivated and that could be a bad thing. We’ll see what happens as I prepare for the meet I guess! I’ll get more bloodwork done in a couple of months, and if its still shitty, then I’ll be forced to lighten the load :frowning:

[quote]MightyMouse17 wrote:

So recently I came across research that I was surprised I hadn’t noticed before: not only did I need to eat more, but apparently an adequate amount of carbs is very important in helping the CNS recover and keeping cortisol at a lower level(which can help with hormone levels).
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Indeed. I feel totally crappy when I go low-carb and I notice no difference in physique if I go high-carb – if anything, I’ll run a bit leaner. It’s a really personal thing, but I think that people with builds and/or athletic histories like ours are more carbophilic than others, if that makes any sense.

[quote]kgildner wrote:

[quote]MightyMouse17 wrote:

So recently I came across research that I was surprised I hadn’t noticed before: not only did I need to eat more, but apparently an adequate amount of carbs is very important in helping the CNS recover and keeping cortisol at a lower level(which can help with hormone levels).
[/quote]

Indeed. I feel totally crappy when I go low-carb and I notice no difference in physique if I go high-carb – if anything, I’ll run a bit leaner. It’s a really personal thing, but I think that people with builds and/or athletic histories like ours are more carbophilic than others, if that makes any sense.[/quote]
I find this stuff interesting as I have been experimenting with my diets. I also find that I feel better and look better when eating carbs. I think Im more horny when Im on carbs as well.

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