What does this mean? (Is the guy an imposter?)
I ran DC training for 6 weeks, balls to the wall, never taken so much as a prohormone. Deep Water was tougher, with more volume (10x10 on deadlifts, squats, and military press) and more frequency, and I did it twice. The limitations people are putting on “natural” trainees in here are silly, IMO. DC is 3x a week low volume training. It’s an ass kicker, but not some mythical steroid-requiring regimen.
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I looked at more videos side-by-side last night (I’m OCD like that!) and I am less convinced than I was yesterday. IF it’s the same guy, he’s walking quite a tightrope. I had thought Feather was the old and Stevenson/FT was the new, but the roots of FT go back to 2014 and Feather has more recent videos than I thought. Feather posted a workout as late as May 2020. I compared it to a Stevenson workout in August 2020.
Similarities: big vein on biceps extending up to the deltoid, large quads w/ relatively small calves, head shape and whacky haircut, deep etched lines from nose to edges of mouth
Differences: Stevenson has a wider nose and appears bigger, his voice is higher and he speaks in a more academic tone (except during workouts!).
Feather preaches up to 4 to-failure sets per exercise, with a few to several minutes between each set. He also does NOT promote high frequency.
Are they brothers? Is David Feather an alter ego for him to experiment with methods that are antithetical to his FT program? I don’t know. Stevenson is earnest and VERY active on his discussion forum — while Feather seems more the aloof loner.
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I have always been of the mindset if you aren’t sucking wind and/or sweating profusely you haven’t trained intensely enough. The majority of people I see at the gym weightlifting barely break a sweat.
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Did Doug Hepburn break a sweat? I believe one of his trainees called it a “rather relaxing workout”. Yet stated, he got stronger than he ever thought possible.
I guess there are many methods that can work.
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I’m also a big DC fan, im also “natural”. Your natty ass won’t die honest.
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Ha-haaaaa!!!
I just want to win the Hyper Trophy
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How would they continue their cellphone conversation if they are sucking wind?
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Maybe they just break wind? (Yeah I know, it’s friday… Major derailing here. Truly sober, I promise)
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I agree … I’ve used DC and lived to tell about it , too. Very hard workouts but you’ll live.
In remember early on in HIT , Hit was promoted as an ass-kicking way to train and not for the squeamish. Leistner would describe it as ’ frightening’ to those not used to seeing true, hard training. This was a big draw towards HIT for me. They would remind you that your genetics is the bottom line of how far you’d go but also that nearly everyone under estimate their natural potential and never get close to reaching it.
What happened ? I now see people freaking out because an extra set of wrist curls might throw them into an ‘over trained’ state for six months or way too often , blame not being ‘enhanced’ as an excuse for trying difficult routines and methods.
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Bros!
There is an entire Industry based around restoring dudes who tanked their testosterone by overtraining in their early 30s.
It’s a for real thing.
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From my experience, yes.
Nobody said it wasn’t a thing. The question was whether or not 3x a week low volume training is possible for natural trainees, 6 weeks at a time. We have several natural trainees in this thread alone who have done it and lived to tell the tale.
Additionally, with the epidemic of shitty diets, pesticide-riddled fruits and vegetables, antibiotic-pumped meat, and sedentary lifestyles, it’s a VERY bold statement to attribute the tanked testosterone in throngs of men to working too hard in the gym.
Overtraining is real, but it’s way rarer than people think.
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I was contemplating if there is something of a self-fulfilling prophecy that, if you spend your entire training career trying to avoid overtraining, you end up never pushing deep enough into your recovery to build a decent work capacity and, in turn, find yourself more prone to under-recovery compared to those that more regularly ride that razor’s edge.
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Fortune favors the Bold! Also, don’t forget Blue Light Disease.
I guess if you believe in Bell Shaped curves and Standard Distributions, half of dudes will have a high tolerance for lifting, and increasingly limited (as we move left on the curve) ability to blast weights. They will be the dudes who are in danger of under training.
The other half of dudes will have a low tolerance for lifting, and they will have an increasingly (as we move right on the curve) better ability to blast weights. They will be the dudes who are in danger of over training.
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If HDII was followed as prescribed, that’s EXACTLY the outcome that would occur — within a shorter timeframe than you are describing.
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Exactly. I love all these characters that attribute their success solely to their hard work and perseverance. They’re just as bad as anyone who cops out of hard work, because of perceived genetic inadequacies.
Hyperbolic much? People here have been around long enough to know that OT is a process and not an event. I was hyperbolic myself when I said many would be DITD after 2-3 weeks. But the full 6-12 weeks, no. Instead of asking of “how long COULD I”, one should ask the question “How long SHOULD I” (to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum). High Intensity programs, especially static ones, have an effective range of 4 weeks; after that, you get diminishing returns.
If truly natural people didn’t have issues with Dante’s program, he wouldn’t have tweaked it later on! No need for the Bro’ Brigade to descend on this thread with their testimonials.
I think, when Dante prescribed a blast time of 6-12 weeks, which is a gigantic range, he was accounting for that bell curve.
Brushing aside that you called out his hyperbole and admitted your own in the same paragraph, where’s the line? You were exaggerating with 2-3 weeks, so it’s longer than 3 weeks, but definitely less than 6?
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