HRC addresses the Iran Nuclear Deal at the Brookings Institution. The major speech is thirty minutes of substantive analysis and policy prescription. The GOP candidates have their work cut out for then when it comes to foreign policy. The only candidate that has the potential to go toe to toe with HRC in foreign policy is Marco Rubio. His Foreign Affairs article “My Vision for U.S. Foreign Policy” is a must read not only for Republicans, but for the electorate as a whole. No one in the GOP field can hold a candle to Rubio in this regard.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]idaho wrote:
“I started out liking him but the more I listen to him and his bullshit the more I think he’s a piece of shit tyrant who doesn’t give a shit about facts or truth and only wants things his way”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^You just described every politician in office, and every candidate trying to win an office. Remember if ANY politician: Republican, Democrat, or Independent is moving their lips, they are lying for their own self interest. Overall, last night, they all looked like the idiots they are. Lets see: We have HRC and BS on one side, and the field of idiots on the other, WOW, what a selection of “leaders” for our country. [/quote]
There exists an ineluctable tension between the moral command and the requirements of successful political action. Consequentialism is the ultimate political morality. A liar who gets the job done is superior to the upright policymaker who falls short of the national interest. Political realism aside, who would you like to see as a presendential candidate? [/quote]
Some background: 10 years I have been in and out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and other exotic locales. I have fought, bled, lost team members, and killed for my country. I am not saying that in any arrogant or self aggrandizing manner, only to let you know, I don’t see the world the way you do. I even spent some time providing security for visiting Congressional delegations, heads of state, and various elected and appointed officials. All have one thing in common, they are worthless, self promoting liars, who spout their love for our country, but, will fuck over anyone to keep their elected seat. In time, I realized, they are a cancer that has spread through out our government, that to hold office, all you need is money and the right media connections (AKA -Kiss The Right Ass) They universally hold in contempt the very people who die for their moronic decisions, remember, filthy politicians, the very people who sent people like me to war, never have to fight, never have to deal with the filth of death. They make war, then turn around and pour billions of US taxpayer money in “reconstruction”, only to see that money being stolen by the millions to corrupt third country goat herders. America, my country, has become the world’s whore, anyone can use us, take our money, and then fuck us over. Our politicians will do anything, suck any cock, not to offend anyone. Now, I know from reading your first two sentences that my post will be crude in comparison, but, my life has to deal with the realities of my “politicians” decisions. I live this, I carry out legal orders,my life is not a team debate or intellectual masturbation.
Who do I want for President? I have no answer for you, I really don’t know anyone who would actually put America first, stop the wasted billions in foreign aid to corrupt governments, stop other countries from sucking our treasury dry,someone who would start rebuilding our own country. You know like, repair a bridge in Minnesota or pave a highway in Mississippi, or try to raise our own children out of poverty. It time for America first and everyone else second. The only decent comment I ever heard from a recent politician was Rand Paul. He stated roughly “no more nation building”, on that I am in total agreement, however, as much as Rand Paul is just a “little country doctor” he is still a piece of shit politician. My disgust knows no bounds and I have no faith in our political system.
[quote]tedro wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
HP didn’t acquire Compaq. The two companies merged and there was a lot of internal opposition to the move from what I’ve read. Organic growth, in the tech industry right after the bubble burst (less than a year after she became CEO), okay…
“You look back now, and Carly [Fiorina, former HP CEO] was right Ã??Ã?¢?? there was a lot of synergy between the two companies,” Tommy Wald, CEO of White Glove Technologies in Austin, Texas, said. “The merger worked out well in retrospect. I think they turned the combined company into a strong channel company, which is what we were all concerned about as partners.”
"HP said the merger paved the way for it to become the No. 1 IT company in the world.
‘The combination of HP and Compaq built a business that achieved more together much faster than either company could on its own and built the foundation for the worldÃ??Ã?¢??s largest technology company,’ HP said in a statement to CRN."[/quote]
It’s free publicity for HP at this point, nothing more…[/quote]
That was written in 2011…
[quote]tedro wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Based on what?
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How about her support for TARP, NCLB, and further federal involvement in education? From her disertation:
I have ended by believing that we will never meet our own expectations of public education unless the federal government is willing to play a consistent, long term role. [/quote]
Do you have any links?
She was working for McCain’s campaign at the time, what did you want her to do?
[quote]idaho wrote:
“I started out liking him but the more I listen to him and his bullshit the more I think he’s a piece of shit tyrant who doesn’t give a shit about facts or truth and only wants things his way”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^You just described every politician in office, and every candidate trying to win an office. Remember if ANY politician: Republican, Democrat, or Independent is moving their lips, they are lying for their own self interest. Overall, last night, they all looked like the idiots they are. Lets see: We have HRC and BS on one side, and the field of idiots on the other, WOW, what a selection of “leaders” for our country. [/quote]
Not sure what you’re getting at really? I was referring to my feelings on that asshat Christie and you take it upon yourself to, what?, give me a lesson on the inherent disingenuous nature of politicians? Thanks? Maybe next time you can be a little less condescending about it, Captain Obvious. (FFS dude)
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]idaho wrote:
“I started out liking him but the more I listen to him and his bullshit the more I think he’s a piece of shit tyrant who doesn’t give a shit about facts or truth and only wants things his way”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^You just described every politician in office, and every candidate trying to win an office. Remember if ANY politician: Republican, Democrat, or Independent is moving their lips, they are lying for their own self interest. Overall, last night, they all looked like the idiots they are. Lets see: We have HRC and BS on one side, and the field of idiots on the other, WOW, what a selection of “leaders” for our country. [/quote]
Not sure what you’re getting at really? I was referring to my feelings on that asshat Christie and you take it upon yourself to, what?, give me a lesson on the inherent disingenuous nature of politicians? Thanks? Maybe next time you can be a little less condescending about it, Captain Obvious. (FFS dude)[/quote]
Why don’t you give a few examples of how Christie has distorted facts and sought only his own way? That would benefit those of us who don’t live in the northeast.
[quote]idaho wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]idaho wrote:
“I started out liking him but the more I listen to him and his bullshit the more I think he’s a piece of shit tyrant who doesn’t give a shit about facts or truth and only wants things his way”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^You just described every politician in office, and every candidate trying to win an office. Remember if ANY politician: Republican, Democrat, or Independent is moving their lips, they are lying for their own self interest. Overall, last night, they all looked like the idiots they are. Lets see: We have HRC and BS on one side, and the field of idiots on the other, WOW, what a selection of “leaders” for our country. [/quote]
There exists an ineluctable tension between the moral command and the requirements of successful political action. Consequentialism is the ultimate political morality. A liar who gets the job done is superior to the upright policymaker who falls short of the national interest. Political realism aside, who would you like to see as a presendential candidate? [/quote]
Some background: 10 years I have been in and out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and other exotic locales. I have fought, bled, lost team members, and killed for my country. I am not saying that in any arrogant or self aggrandizing manner, only to let you know, I don’t see the world the way you do. I even spent some time providing security for visiting Congressional delegations, heads of state, and various elected and appointed officials. All have one thing in common, they are worthless, self promoting liars, who spout their love for our country, but, will fuck over anyone to keep their elected seat. In time, I realized, they are a cancer that has spread through out our government, that to hold office, all you need is money and the right media connections (AKA -Kiss The Right Ass) They universally hold in contempt the very people who die for their moronic decisions, remember, filthy politicians, the very people who sent people like me to war, never have to fight, never have to deal with the filth of death. They make war, then turn around and pour billions of US taxpayer money in “reconstruction”, only to see that money being stolen by the millions to corrupt third country goat herders. America, my country, has become the world’s whore, anyone can use us, take our money, and then fuck us over. Our politicians will do anything, suck any cock, not to offend anyone. Now, I know from reading your first two sentences that my post will be crude in comparison, but, my life has to deal with the realities of my “politicians” decisions. I live this, I carry out legal orders,my life is not a team debate or intellectual masturbation.
Who do I want for President? I have no answer for you, I really don’t know anyone who would actually put America first, stop the wasted billions in foreign aid to corrupt governments, stop other countries from sucking our treasury dry,someone who would start rebuilding our own country. You know like, repair a bridge in Minnesota or pave a highway in Mississippi, or try to raise our own children out of poverty. It time for America first and everyone else second. The only decent comment I ever heard from a recent politician was Rand Paul. He stated roughly “no more nation building”, on that I am in total agreement, however, as much as Rand Paul is just a “little country doctor” he is still a piece of shit politician. My disgust knows no bounds and I have no faith in our political system.
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Thank you for your service and sacrifice, Idaho.
I’m probably as cynical as they come about Politicians, Idaho. If at all possible, don’t give up on the process…just yet…
I’m giving it probably one more cycle (this one) before I say “fuck it…it’s no use…”
(Many have already reached that point…and I can certainly understand why…)
Mufasa
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Do you have any links?
[/quote]
http://www.flashreport.org/blog0a.php?postID=2010030418364758&post_offsetP=0
[quote]tedro wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Do you have any links?
[/quote]
http://www.flashreport.org/blog0a.php?postID=2010030418364758&post_offsetP=0
[/quote]
A 159 page document, written 27 years ago, and distilled down to one paragraph from some guy that didn’t even read the whole thing… Seems legit 
She was working on McCain’s staff and had already gotten into hot water about remarks she made about McCain’s inability (her opinion) to run a company. If your boss says something you disagree with would you public denounce his stance?
I really hope you aren’t a Trump supporter based on this paragraph.
[quote]tedro wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
One more thing about Trump. As the field gets more narrow he needs to stop making those outlandish faces, it gets old really fast.[/quote]
Do you think Trump really even wants to be president? I still believe it is all a show. His goal is to stay in the lime light as long as possible, but then needs a valid reason to bow out. I think in the end he will not hire advisors, will not accept donations, and probably will campaign very little if at all in the early primary states. He’ll then claim that everyone else was bought out, blah, blah, blah, and quit when his numbers start to suffer.
You read it here first.[/quote]
This is close to how I feel. Mr. Trump is in this race for attention and to bring up issues. He has, in effect, pushed the party right. Mr. Trump will drop out, at the time of his choosing, and will have successfully made the Republicans must-see TV. This climate will be good for business, which is all Mr. Trump really cares about. If the Republicans win, which is likely, Mr. Trump is going to be owed some big favors. That’s why he is running.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
…The only candidate that has the potential to go toe to toe with HRC in foreign policy is Marco Rubio. His Foreign Affairs article “My Vision for U.S. Foreign Policy” is a must read not only for Republicans, but for the electorate as a whole. No one in the GOP field can hold a candle to Rubio in this regard.
That was a good piece. Glad for the link.
How do you reconcile his ardent opposition to the Iran deal? Is he, like Casey and a legion of others, “wrong?”[/quote]
I enjoyed it myself, though I didn’t wholly agree with it. It’s intellectually stimulating to read a reasoned argument that you don’t necessarily agree with - infinitely more so than an echo chamber.
I haven’t had the opportunity to watch the recent debate, but a WSJ analysis wrote that he “didnâ??t say heâ??d tear the agreement up but said he was sure Iran wouldnâ??t comply with it.” There are intelligent, capable people, and good-willed people on both sides of the argument. It’s a difference of opinion that only time will vindicate. It’s an issue of such great import that I will vote or not vote for a candidate based on their position of it.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
A 159 page document, written 27 years ago, and distilled down to one paragraph from some guy that didn’t even read the whole thing… Seems legit
[/quote]
Her words, her summary. How much more legit do you want it?
[quote]
She was working on McCain’s staff and had already gotten into hot water about remarks she made about McCain’s inability (her opinion) to run a company. If your boss says something you disagree with would you public denounce his stance?
I really hope you aren’t a Trump supporter based on this paragraph. [/quote]
Whoa there. That wasn’t a ‘job’ for Carly. She never needs to work another day. That was her entry into politics, and she chose to do it by supporting McCain.
And check my other posts, of course I don’t support Trump. This is what is bothering me the most. The ignorant electorate is so eager to get behind an outsider, that they are throwing their support at those people that are most likely to fall right in line with the rest of the politicians who base their opinion on the direction of the wind.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
One more thought.
Immigration now “belongs” to the GOP. Like it or not, it’s “their” issue and they will have to “own” it in the General election.
I think Fiorina would carry less of the vitriol with her on the subject (as well as Bush, Rubio, Christie, and Carson)…and how it is going to play with Hispanics in the General Election is yet to be seen.
But it is now a major part of the GOP platform…and the DEMS are surely salivating at the idea of hanging them with their own words.
We’ll see.
Mufasa
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Hanging them with their own words?
Do you realize that the topic of immigration is what launched Trump to the top spot?
Almost 70% of the population feels that we have an immigration problem. That topic is not going to hurt the GOP, but it will hurt the democrats who were in power and did nothing.
[/quote]
Try to ease up on the partisanship sometimes, Zeb.
I wasn’t picking “winners” or “losers” on the immigration issue…just stating that the DEMS were going to be in attack mode on the issue.
How it plays out in the General Election is anyone’s guess.
Mufasa[/quote]
Okay I will ease up…
[quote]tedro wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
CNN also actively tried to get the candidates to fight. It worked on occasion but over all CNN didn’t look very “fair and balanced” But that is what I expected anyway…
[/quote]
This was my impression. I turned it off after two hours. I was tired of seeing Trump and Carly. It was clear CNN had an agenda to keep Trump in the spotlight and get Carly in there with him. She handled her rehearsed answers well, but is no more a conservative than McCain or Romney - and I’m really tired about hearing her cherry-picked numbers from her HP days. It’s pretty easy to double your business when the company has the ability to acquire another of the same size! How about organic growth, Carly? How do
CNN was after ratings, that was pretty obvious.
[quote]tedro wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
One more thing about Trump. As the field gets more narrow he needs to stop making those outlandish faces, it gets old really fast.[/quote]
Do you think Trump really even wants to be president? I still believe it is all a show. His goal is to stay in the lime light as long as possible, but then needs a valid reason to bow out. I think in the end he will not hire advisors, will not accept donations, and probably will campaign very little if at all in the early primary states. He’ll then claim that everyone else was bought out, blah, blah, blah, and quit when his numbers start to suffer.
You read it here first.[/quote]
I think in the beginning that may have been his plan. But any man, especially an ambitious one with a very healthy ego, who gets this close to the top job is really, really trying to win it! Trump already sees himself in the oval office. The only thing I am concerned with at this point is if he is not the parties candidate (and I doubt he’ll be) how much trouble will he cause on the way out the door?
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Breaking it down into three categories:
The Winners:
Marco Rubio- with his command of foreign policy issues. And also a good handle on why America is losing relative to families and culture. He was sharp and a very good speaker. He needs to smile more I have no doubt that if he is the nominee Hillary will get less of the female vote. The republicans will also win Florida one of two key states that are must win in order to capture the White House.
Carly Fiorina - I personally don’t like her because she has a low likability factor in my view,
but she was read hot relative to Planned Parent Hood drawing vivid images of planned parenthood selling baby parts, it was emotionally disturbing. And also spot on with her other answers. She never flounders very steady, exceptional on her feet last night.
Chris Christie- Another candidate that I do not like but he had a really good night. When he jumped in to tell Fiorina and Trump to stop talking about themselves and start talking about the people he shined. He also put Rand Paul in his place during their exchange. Paul’s constant reference to pot as being the only way that one child could have his pain relieved was ridiculous as Christie agreed relative to medical marijuana. Chirstie also has a very commanding presence, okay at his weight I suppose that is a gimme…both good and bad.
Ted Cruz- The talking heads did not give Cruz enough credit. His answers were crisp and spot on. I made a comment to the people I was watching the debate with “if they had an IQ test Cruz would blow them all away…he’s really a very smart guy”. Unfortunately, he can’t do anything about how he presents which seems phony at times and his look is NOT Presidential. But I really like his positions.
The Middle Of the Pack:
Jeb Bush- His best moment was when he stood up for GW and how he kept America safe while Trump attacked. I thought confessing to marijuana use in High School was pretty funny as he added that his Mom didn’t know up to tonight. He was far more animated than in the first debate. Did anyone else notice the hard slap and the crazy face that he made when he hit Trumps hand? I sure don’t want him to be the nominee but he was far better than during the first debate.
John Kasich- Granted at times he sounds like a democrat but overall he is a likeable sort. I also think women like his soft tones and how he never speaks ill of another candidate. He had some good answers relative to community etc. I think he will be on several people’s short list for VP, as I don’t think he’ll get the nomination for the top spot. They love him in Ohio and as I’ve said (and everyone knows) if the republicans don’t win Ohio they lose the White House.
Mike Huckabee- Here is a man who is very eloquent and has a solid command on the issues. His high point was defending the County Clerk who refused to grant a marriage license to two gays. We cam either agree or disagree with his position. But, his remarks were passionate and will win him some right wing support in the polls.
The Losers:
Rand Paul - Trump was right, Paul should not be on the stage with the others. His libertarian positions made him sound nutty at times. He got his ass kicked when he went up against Christi. Stating that we can arm one certain group (can’t remember the name) to go after Isis, and that’s all we need to do was just stupid. He also looks like a guy who should be standing out on a street corner asking for money. Sorry to those who love him but he has the least Presidential presence of any of them and certainly would lose to Hillary Clinton. Fortunately, he will be gone soon so there is no danger in that happening.
Ben Carson- What’s up with those 3 second eye blinks of his? I thought he was going to sleep, or was on some sort of prescription medication that he wrote for himself. Sure he’s a nice guy but he’s certainly not Presidential. The one time he had a chance to shine when Trump claimed that vaccinations caused autism he allowed Trump a pass and even offered up a compromise “well they do prescribe too much medications sometimes.” He too needs to go away.
Donald Trump- Anyone who thinks that Trump finished in the upper tier last night was watching a different debate. His answers were shallow “I’d get along with Putin” yawn…uh huh. And when he did come up with a fact or two it sounded rehearsed. He was at his best when he spanked Fioria regarding her tenure at HP. He also had a moment or two when he turned to Jeb Bush and said “oh good I see your energy level is higher tonight”. But overall he looked out of his league not giving any detail. Would I vote for him over Hillary Clinton-ABSOLUTELY! But we have far better than him.
Scott Walker- I don’t know what it is about Walker. He has his facts right. He has a good record as Governor, maybe it’s just his goofy looks. He does not seem to project leadership. Not as bad as Ben Carson but pretty bad. He also had a good moment vs Trump when he told Trump “we don’t need an apprentice as President we already have one and he didn’t work out too well.”
In the end I think this was a pivotal debate for a certain few. I would be surprised if the winners in this debate did not gain some ground. I would also be surprised if Trump holds the lead for very much longer. I think what you saw last night was the very beginning of the end for Trump. Sure I could be wrong, it may take a while but there is no way that in such a great GOP field that Trump is going to shine in the end. One way he could do it is If he actually spends some money and hires the best advisors and starts boning up on the issues. If he doesn’t do this as the field narrows he will be shown to be a lightweight. Did you hear that Donald do your homework!
Also, I’d be very surprised if Fiorina’s numbers did not go up dramatically after this debate. [/quote]
Only thing I really disagree with about is your Christie assertion. Dude’s an windbag. And the way he scolded Trump and Fiorina made him look like a jealous petulant child and a bully to boot.[/quote]
I wonder do you not like Christie because of how he spoke about Trump and Fiorina, or did you not like Christie before the debate?
There are people who just started paying attention and I do believe that Christie sounded very in charge when he chastised them for talking about how successful they are. He turned it around in a masterful way to talk about how he wants to help the 55 year old guy who is unemployed.
I am not a fan of Christie at all, but objectively that was a very good moment for him.
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I’ve been aware of Christie for some time - I think since he right after he got elected Gov of NJ (I live in the Northeast and he makes the news in my state from time to time). I started out liking him but the more I listen to him and his bullshit the more I think he’s a piece of shit tyrant who doesn’t give a shit about facts or truth and only wants things his way.[/quote]
Okay, that answers my question. Pretty much not matter what he said during the debate you were not going to like him. As I said I don’t like him either, I think he’s far too moderate. But jumping in the middle of Trump and Fiorina was a master stroke.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
A liar who gets the job done is superior to the upright policymaker who falls short of the national interest. [/quote]
At first I thought you were trying to defend Hillary Clinton. But, she never “gets the job done” so…
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]tedro wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Do you have any links?
[/quote]
http://www.flashreport.org/blog0a.php?postID=2010030418364758&post_offsetP=0
[/quote]
A 159 page document, written 27 years ago, and distilled down to one paragraph from some guy that didn’t even read the whole thing… Seems legit
She was working on McCain’s staff and had already gotten into hot water about remarks she made about McCain’s inability (her opinion) to run a company. If your boss says something you disagree with would you public denounce his stance?
I really hope you aren’t a Trump supporter based on this paragraph. [/quote]
Try to redirect your visceral hate for Trump, who has never allowed anyone to die for political expediency (Benghazi), toward Hillary Clinton.