Thoughts on Suicide

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x3 on it being selfish, single most selfish act anyone could ever commit. YOU do not have to deal with anything after the fact, because youre dead. But now your parents and loved ones will spend the next, however long it is, questioning, and wondering, with none of those questions ever being answered.

EliB- mental illness? i dunno man, i guess its plausible but I feel like nowadays people just claim mental illness as a skapegoat, easy way out.

Also, this is being said in seriousness, what do you guys think of people who attempt suicide but fail at it. I think people who dont fulfill the act just want attention. Once again a selfish act, but they want to be there when everyone is crying and saying how much they love them. if people really want to do it, it will get done. Everyone knows its up and down not side to side, etc. etc. This bugs me.

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When your ex wife won’t let you see your kids and you’re a great dad, the thought crosses your mind.

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[quote]adamhum wrote:
When your ex wife won’t let you see your kids and you’re a great dad, the thought crosses your mind.[/quote]

No dude, that’s homocide. Suicide is where you kill yourself.

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Haha…That thought has never crossed my mind :confused:

When your kids are your inspiration and someone takes that away…It can lead you to a dark place.

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]adamhum wrote:
When your ex wife won’t let you see your kids and you’re a great dad, the thought crosses your mind.[/quote]

No dude, that’s homocide. Suicide is where you kill yourself.[/quote]

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
I have no compassion for the person that kills themselves, but I feel for those around them that have to live with it.[/quote]

I think a lot of people who may want to commit suicide won’t because they don’t want to make their family deal with it.

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[quote]adamhum wrote:
Haha…That thought has never crossed my mind :confused:

When your kids are your inspiration and someone takes that away…It can lead you to a dark place.

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]adamhum wrote:
When your ex wife won’t let you see your kids and you’re a great dad, the thought crosses your mind.[/quote]

No dude, that’s homocide. Suicide is where you kill yourself.[/quote]
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Always take the high road and realize that kids are SMART. Keep being a great dad and know that karma is a bitch and so is your ex wife. Talk to someone, anyone. Don’t let her think for one minute that she is getting to you. Fuck that.

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You guys who think suicide is selfish are awesome! Big thumbs up at being win at life! You’re right, people who kill themselves are selfish pussies, I’m sure you’d never do it if you were in their mental state! Keep rockin on!

hahaha

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i deal with people who try to commit “suicide” every day at work. at least 1-2 a night. i put it in quotes because they are not really trying to kill themselves, the ones who are serious rarely make it to the ED.

more often than not it is an attention getting stunt, perpetrated by a weak minded selfish crybaby who makes sure they put themselves in a position to be “saved” by either loved ones or law enforcement, mental health or Emergency medical services.

i am sure this will get lots of negative responses from the bleeding hearts on this board, but it is a reality i face like i said almost daily in my job.

are you a miserable self centered POS who cant handle their life because of the bad choices you make? why not try to make everyone around you, the few people who care about you that is, suffer with you? “try to kill yourself” and draw everyone into your drama.

funny thing is, these ass clowns hit the ED thinking they are gonna get all this positive attention from staff and their loved ones, but when we are tying them up and shoving tubes down their nose and throat, and restricting their freedom by making them stay in an ED room for hours and hours (sometimes days) against their will, the quickly realize this was NOT what they had in mind. boredom turns to frustration, frustration turns to anger, and they take it out on any loved ones who are stupid enough to hang around(most take off soon enough and leave them to us, most have HAD it with these people and dealing with their problems,lol), and they lash out at the very people who saved them.

i could go on and on.

we Emergency medical workers have a saying: “we should offer a community education class every few months, the title: Suicide, getting it RIGHT” lol

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[quote]Hyena wrote:
If you commit suicide, you literally fail at life. I agree with you guys who show no sympathy (to the dumbass, not the people around him).

It is selfish. Such horrible problems as a 15 year old girl breaking up with you might be solved, but then your parents have a funeral to plan, and they also have to live the rest of their lives thinking they failed as a parent, because you’re a selfish little brat who couldn’t get his way.

Your life is not tough. An example of a tough life would be somebody crossing the country in a covered wagon 120 years ago, somebody living in a POW camp during vietnam, or a death camp in Nazi germany. Those are tough lives, where people found death on their doorstep on a daily, or hourly basis, and guess what? They persevered.

The BEST people in this world are the ones who NEVER give up, even when faced with insurmountable odds. America would not be a country if our founding fathers just gave up because it was too hard. What about that guy who, rather than lay there and die like a bitch, cut his own arm off with a pocket knife to keep living? You think your situation is more hopeless than the guy laying there with a 20 ton boulder pinning you to the ground? Grow up man.

As far as I’m concerned, suicide is for the weak. Its a splash of chlorine in the gene pool to me. This world is rough, and if a man’s gonna make it, he’s gotta be tough.[/quote]

Every post of yours… El Oh El

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[quote]admbaum wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:
contrary to what most people think, It takes really big balls to kill yourself. [/quote]

LOL. No it doesn’t. It takes bigger balls to face life and overcome its challenges.[/quote]

QFFUCKINGT

This shit makes me sick. I have no compassion for people that take the cowards way out. NONE. Spare me your bleeding heart. Life is tough and many people had it much worse and lived through it. I’ve known a few people that have done it and regretted that I didn’t do more to help them, but what can you do? Outside of holding them down and straight jacketing them, if they’re determined to do it, they’re gonna do it. Does it take more guts to run away or to take a stand?
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x9000 xSuperSaiyan3

People who kill themselves are cowards. No it doesn’t take balls to kill yourself. It takes balls to get back up on your feet when life is taking a shit on you.

Every suicide story I’ve experienced or read about sounded pathetic. A friend of mine had a girlfriend that killed herself over a shitty social life. Another jumped out of his window because of debt. Some guy in the paper killed himself and his retarded kid because his business was failing.

You can throw around words like clinical depression and financial hopelessness but look: There are people in this world who wake everyday and work 18hrs or more over 2 or 3 jobs just to scrape by a living for their kids. There are people that sell their souls and time for peanuts to get by. I have seen this with my own eyes, and grew up close to it. Don’t tell me a bit of hardship should be enough to break a man.

Life sucks. But life is beautiful. If a man can’t see this and ends his, he is a weak fool, and a coward.

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Having been down that road as a young man, have to say…sometimes, shit just looks hopeless. For me, it was finding out just how alone I was in the world. So, I dumped all my “happy” and “go to sleep” pills in my hand, raised it all to my mouth, then looked in the mirror. That was my Man moment. The moment when I asked my reflection why I’m being such a punk. I then put the pills back in their containers, save for one of each, of course, went to the bus station, and reported back to my base. Been in treatment since. Like a lot of you are saying, it’s a coward’s way out.

As for Brick…I typically get a decent chuckle from your posts. While there are some truths in there, most of the shit that comes from your fingers… In prison, there is still a choice about taking a dick in the ass. You can take it, or you can fight like your life depended on it. As several family members have been locked up, or work corrections, most go with the latter. Some so viciously that they are placed in isolation for indefinite amounts of time. My brother is one of those that has to remain in iso, as he’s damn near killed people in lockup. There are choices in all that you do.

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Mostly ideological problems drive people to suicide I think.

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[quote]Hyena wrote:
The BEST people in this world are the ones who NEVER give up, even when faced with insurmountable odds.[/quote]

Suppose you have motor neurone disease, which is incurable and terminal, and all you have to look forward to is a slow, undignified death, with all your loved ones watching you waste away as it strips you of everything. Do you still think suicide is wrong then?

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[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]Hyena wrote:
The BEST people in this world are the ones who NEVER give up, even when faced with insurmountable odds.[/quote]

Suppose you have motor neurone disease, which is incurable and terminal, and all you have to look forward to is a slow, undignified death, with all your loved ones watching you waste away as it strips you of everything. Do you still think suicide is wrong then?[/quote]

Ask this guy.

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[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]Hyena wrote:
If you commit suicide, you literally fail at life. I agree with you guys who show no sympathy (to the dumbass, not the people around him).

It is selfish. Such horrible problems as a 15 year old girl breaking up with you might be solved, but then your parents have a funeral to plan, and they also have to live the rest of their lives thinking they failed as a parent, because you’re a selfish little brat who couldn’t get his way.

Your life is not tough. An example of a tough life would be somebody crossing the country in a covered wagon 120 years ago, somebody living in a POW camp during vietnam, or a death camp in Nazi germany. Those are tough lives, where people found death on their doorstep on a daily, or hourly basis, and guess what? They persevered.

The BEST people in this world are the ones who NEVER give up, even when faced with insurmountable odds. America would not be a country if our founding fathers just gave up because it was too hard. What about that guy who, rather than lay there and die like a bitch, cut his own arm off with a pocket knife to keep living? You think your situation is more hopeless than the guy laying there with a 20 ton boulder pinning you to the ground? Grow up man.

As far as I’m concerned, suicide is for the weak. Its a splash of chlorine in the gene pool to me. This world is rough, and if a man’s gonna make it, he’s gotta be tough.[/quote]

Every post of yours… El Oh El[/quote]

I wish this guy and others would spare us the Self Help ™ script.

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[quote]rundymc wrote:

[quote]admbaum wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:
contrary to what most people think, It takes really big balls to kill yourself. [/quote]

LOL. No it doesn’t. It takes bigger balls to face life and overcome its challenges.[/quote]

QFFUCKINGT

This shit makes me sick. I have no compassion for people that take the cowards way out. NONE. Spare me your bleeding heart. Life is tough and many people had it much worse and lived through it. I’ve known a few people that have done it and regretted that I didn’t do more to help them, but what can you do? Outside of holding them down and straight jacketing them, if they’re determined to do it, they’re gonna do it. Does it take more guts to run away or to take a stand?
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x9000 xSuperSaiyan3

People who kill themselves are cowards. No it doesn’t take balls to kill yourself. It takes balls to get back up on your feet when life is taking a shit on you.

Every suicide story I’ve experienced or read about sounded pathetic. A friend of mine had a girlfriend that killed herself over a shitty social life. Another jumped out of his window because of debt. Some guy in the paper killed himself and his retarded kid because his business was failing.

You can throw around words like clinical depression and financial hopelessness but look: There are people in this world who wake everyday and work 18hrs or more over 2 or 3 jobs just to scrape by a living for their kids. There are people that sell their souls and time for peanuts to get by. I have seen this with my own eyes, and grew up close to it. Don’t tell me a bit of hardship should be enough to break a man.

Life sucks. But life is beautiful. If a man can’t see this and ends his, he is a weak fool, and a coward.[/quote]

More New Age, Self Help drivel that ignores indidivual circumstances and life for all people.

God, I love fitness forums - especially T-mag - where everyone is an expert on just about everything while holding no formal education or training or professional competence or EXTENSIVE LIFE experience in psychology, nutrition, social work, anthropology, sexuality, endocrinology, athletic training, and exercise physiology. It just gets better and better.

And it take a real T Brother to know da deal on da hardcore life.

What if I find particularly humorous is the constant whining that suicide is SELFISH when serious bodybuilding happens to be one of the most self absorbed/centered endeavors around. After all, spending hours working out, constantly preparing, and taking hundreds of photos of oneself for validation of others isn’t self absorbed/centered. Is it?

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"Every suicide story I’ve experienced or read about sounded pathetic. A friend of mine had a girlfriend that killed herself over a shitty social life. Another jumped out of his window because of debt. Some guy in the paper killed himself and his retarded kid because his business was failing. "

Did you ever happen to think that some people suffer from extremely poor coping skills and/or mental illness?!

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One of my friends had a brother who used to have hallucinations. Very bad ones. It was just a rare medical condition. Sad story.

Most people are very good at being all high and mighty when they’re comfortable.

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And have any of you considered that people on here might have a loved one that commited suicide, all while having to hear what a coward this person might have been?

My close friend’s mother commited suicide. So did one of my acquaintance’s mother.

I have a close family member that suffers from extreme mental illness and has lived in a psychiatric hospital and group home for several years and will most likely not be living on his own for the rest of his life.

I used to work in two hospitals where I was the designated dietitian for rehab and psychiatric floors.

I have a close family member that spent time on Riker’s Island.

For all you WORLDY and WISE people: Did you ever stop to think of what the fucking world is really like or ponder if you’ve ever had first hand experience or observation of serious shit before you start using words like COWARD and SELFISH? Like realize what the fuck you’re talking about beyond “hardcore” T-bro shit and self help scripts?