[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
Also, thank god he landed in America where they just happen to share a common language with the people from Asgard and the ice giants, the movie would have sucked if he landed in Japan and no one understood him and was just afraid of the giant white guy.[/quote]
big lawl at this right meow
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
saw it. I liked it. But agreed on the Loki comments… did not develop him/his intentions enough.
Totally have a man crush on Chris Hemsworth. He looked fackin’ good.[/quote]
I just bought the Men’s Health magazine because he is on the cover.
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gimme. let me know if there is anything interesting in there, in terms of his training/diet whatever.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Sweet ass movie. Gods beating each other with hammers in outer space is one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen. The fact that the director/writers/actors were able to make that particular image fit into a movie without it being unbelievably ridiculous is even cooler.
One thing that irked me a lot though is the name “frost giant”. It sounds so stupid…like something you might read in a miserably stupid vanity-published fantasy novel. I cringed every time I heard it. I’m guessing it came straight from the comics or something, but either way…ugh. Other than that, the movie was awesome.[/quote]
never read any mythology?
FROST-GIANTS: The first of them was YMIR, who was formed in the primeval icy chaos of NIFLHEIM. Their number also includes JOTUNHEIM, AUDUMBLA, BESTLA and GEIRROD, THIASSI and VALTHRUDNIR.
Giants (Norse: Jontuns) play a significant but contradictory, confusing and mysterious role in Norse mythology. The very first being in the cosmos was the giant Ymir, and giants emanated from parts of his body.
The Giants are the enemies of the gods (and vice versa) but they are also their parents, teachers, lovers and spouses. Unlike the Aesir spirits, the Giants are permanent and eternal.
Giants are wild, nocturnal beings, identified with ice, snow and hail stones. Their home, Jotunheim (literally translated as “Giant Home”), is a mountainous, freezing, harsh realm. Giants hurl boulders and hailstones as weapons. They are master shape-shifters and favored forms including eagles and wolves.
Norse hags are identified with the primordial spirits know as Giants; they are particularly fascinating because these spirits are perceived as young, powerful women as well as old, gnarled hags. In all cases they are fierce, powerful, warrior spirits.
Norse creation of the world
Originally there was a chasm, Ginnungagap, bounded on either side by fire (from the world known as Muspelheim) and ice (from the world known as Niflheim). When fire and ice met, they combined to form a giant, named Ymir, and a cow, named Audhumbla, who nourished Ymir. She survived by licking the salty ice blocks. From her licking emerged Bur, the grandfather of the Aesir. Ymir, father of the frost giants, employed equally unusual procreative techniques. He sweated a male and a female from under his left arm.
Odin, the son of Bur’s son Borr, killed Ymir. The blood pouring out of the giant’s body killed all the frost giants Ymir had created, except Bergelmir. From Ymir’s dead body, Odin created the world. Ymir’s blood was the sea; his flesh, the earth; his skull, the sky; his bones, the mountains; his hair, the trees. The new Ymir-based world was Midgard. Ymir’s eyebrow was used to fence in the area where mankind would live. Around Midgard was an ocean where a serpent named Jormungand lived. He was big enough to form a ring around Midgard by putting his tail in his mouth(legend of the oroborus).
From Ymir’s body grew an ash tree named Yggdrasil whose branches covered the known world and supported the universe. Ygdrasil had three roots going to each of the 3 levels of the world. Upper Level:Asgard(Aesir, the land of the gods), Alfheim(elves), Vanaheim(Vanir). Middle Level:Midgard(men), Jotunheim(giants), Svartalfaheim(dark-elves), Nithavellir(dwarves).Lower Level:Muspelheim(fire, a bright, flaming, hot world in the southern region), and Niflheim (the dead, the lowest level). Three springs supplied it with water. One root went into Asgard, the home of the gods, another went into the land of the giants, Jotunheim, and a third went to that primeval world of ice, darkness, and the dead, known as Niflheim. In Jotunheim’s spring, Mimir, lay wisdom. In Niflheim, the spring nourished the adder Nidhogge (darkness) who gnawed at the roots of Ygdrasil.
The spring by the Asgard root was cared for by the 3 Norns, goddesses of fate:Urdur(the past), Verdandi(the present), and Skuld(the future).
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Dr_Blake wrote:
Anyone stick around for the scene after the credits? I’m guessing its there to set up the plot for the avengers movie, as opposed to a Thor sequel. Its not very long at all, but man does it finish the movie on a high note, especially for someone as comic nerdy as me.[/quote]
I didn’t stay!!! What happened?[/quote]
Hemsworth starting banging Natalie Portman[/quote]
Now I must hate her.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Dr_Blake wrote:
Anyone stick around for the scene after the credits? I’m guessing its there to set up the plot for the avengers movie, as opposed to a Thor sequel. Its not very long at all, but man does it finish the movie on a high note, especially for someone as comic nerdy as me.[/quote]
I didn’t stay!!! What happened?[/quote]
Hemsworth starting banging Natalie Portman[/quote]
Now I must hate her.
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or join in 
but seriously, i just want to grow long hair now. and a manly beard.
Saw it last night - Not a bad movie.
My favorite part was about mid way when he took his shirt off.
My wife looks at him and says “he’s skinny”.
lol
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
Saw it last night - Not a bad movie.
My favorite part was about mid way when he took his shirt off.
My wife looks at him and says “he’s skinny”.
lol[/quote]
Haha, nice to see my SO isn’t the only one to have the same thought process lol
[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
Saw it last night - Not a bad movie.
My favorite part was about mid way when he took his shirt off.
My wife looks at him and says “he’s skinny”.
lol[/quote]
Haha, nice to see my SO isn’t the only one to have the same thought process lol[/quote]
Nah, just means we’re doing something right.
[quote]Dr_Blake wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
As far as Loki, had they played him like an all out villain, it would ahve looked cliched and corny…period. They played him like someone who actually thinks he is doing the greatest good…which is what the greatest villains are portrayed as.
That was why I liked Smallville as long as Lex was on there (Michael Rosenbaum). That was the first time they played Lex as a guy who was truly trying to do right but just kept ending up the bad guy until he simply gave into his role.
That type of villain is perfect and allows you to see them as more human than if they came out as the “all evil guy” from the start.
Now, they can go in a more blatant direction and it will fit better.[/quote]
Yes. Loki was accurately portrayed in this.
-Spoilers-
He allowed the frost giants to steal into Asgard without Heimdall detecting them (as Heimdall admits) and before Odin told him he was Laufey’s son. Loki said that he manipulated Thor into engaging the frost giants just to “ruin Thor’s day”. Even when Odin told him of his origins he tried to play both sides and eventually betrayed his biological father (even though he seemed to be in league with him). Loki can move between realms without the need for the Bifrost (see his visit to Thor in the SHIELD encampment and his ability to parley with Laufey undetected) so he didn’t fall to his death when the bridge was destroyed and he was not motivated by revenge or to become ruler of Asgard. He has a greater plan (hinted at by the post-credits sequence).
-End spoilers- [/quote]
Bringing things back to Loki. I agree with you guys on this in so much as his general manipulation-style trickery being better than a straight up villain.
-potential spoilers-
But his final scene with Thor and Odin on the bridge was too much for me. This guy is a premier bad guy (when it suits him), and to see him whining like that about his daddy issues just about made me sick. If I hadn’t have stuck around for the end credit scene, I’d have left that theater slightly disappointed.
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I see what you mean, but you have to look at the bigger picture in terms of how these movies fit together. When I said that Loki has a “bigger plan” than what we saw in this one movie, it explains his “daddy issues” (potential spoilers): he doesn’t have any, at least not to the extent that he appeared to have them - it was a ruse to fake his death. He had an opportunity to become king, and he seemed to be aligned with Laufey only to turn on him, but there are clues that suggest that wasn’t his goal.
-Spoilers-
As has been mentioned, the cosmic cube is in The First Avenger (Red Skull holds it in one of the publicity shots - the pic is in the Captain America thread somewhere). It is safe to assume the cube is on Earth as the Cap movie takes place before the events of Thor. The post-credits sequence supports that, with SHIELD discovering an energy source of intense power. Loki needed to fake his death to a) get to Earth and b) stop the Asgardians from looking for him while he acquired it. Appearing to fall to his death killed two birds with one stone (remember he can also move between realms unaided).Everything he did in Thor leads up to that. Loki isn’t known as the trickster god for nothing.
/spoilers
As a point of trivia, Ken Branagh said that the movie Loki was influenced by Edmund from Shakespeare’s King Lear - a bastard son who felt cheated by his illegitimacy:
^ I’ve just realized that taking out the Bifrost bridge was Loki’s objective in this movie: he tries to neutralize Heimdall first (the only person who can operate the bridge), but in overloading the bridge itself he places himself in a win/ win situation:
either he destroys the bridge and the frost giants with it or, he relys on Thor to smash the bridge to save them. Either way the bridge is down and the Asgardians are cut off from Earth (temporarily at least). Go Loki!
/spoilers.
The video game is terrible…
[quote]roybot wrote:
^ I’ve just realized that taking out the Bifrost bridge was Loki’s objective in this movie: he tries to neutralize Heimdall first (the only person who can operate the bridge), but in overloading the bridge itself he places himself in a win/ win situation:
either he destroys the bridge and the frost giants with it or, he relys on Thor to smash the bridge to save them. Either way the bridge is down and the Asgardians are cut off from Earth (temporarily at least). Go Loki!
/spoilers.[/quote]
I think they’ll tie in the cosmic cube in Cap Merica. Red Skull is seen holding it. I’m still not sure how Loki even knows about the Cube, hopefully they show that in Cap also.
Saw it in 3D tonight. No point to the 3D in this film.
[quote]roybot wrote:
^ I’ve just realized that taking out the Bifrost bridge was Loki’s objective in this movie: he tries to neutralize Heimdall first (the only person who can operate the bridge), but in overloading the bridge itself he places himself in a win/ win situation:
either he destroys the bridge and the frost giants with it or, he relys on Thor to smash the bridge to save them. Either way the bridge is down and the Asgardians are cut off from Earth (temporarily at least). Go Loki!
/spoilers.[/quote]
Love the posts, Roybot, keep them up!
WOO HOO!
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
^ I’ve just realized that taking out the Bifrost bridge was Loki’s objective in this movie: he tries to neutralize Heimdall first (the only person who can operate the bridge), but in overloading the bridge itself he places himself in a win/ win situation:
either he destroys the bridge and the frost giants with it or, he relys on Thor to smash the bridge to save them. Either way the bridge is down and the Asgardians are cut off from Earth (temporarily at least). Go Loki!
/spoilers.[/quote]
I think they’ll tie in the cosmic cube in Cap Merica. Red Skull is seen holding it. I’m still not sure how Loki even knows about the Cube, hopefully they show that in Cap also.
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I mentioned that in the post above. (potential spoilers) Loki knows about the Cube because in the movie universe it has links to Asgard (so does the Infinity Gauntlet and the Casket of Ancient Winters, which we see in the movie). They basically all belong to Odin who keeps them in various locations across the universe for safekeeping (another reason why movie Odin isn’t just a macguffin):
^That’s why I suggested on the Thor thread that it wouldn’t be a bad idea to introduce meteorite vibranium as Asgardian in origin.
/potential spoilers.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
^ I’ve just realized that taking out the Bifrost bridge was Loki’s objective in this movie: he tries to neutralize Heimdall first (the only person who can operate the bridge), but in overloading the bridge itself he places himself in a win/ win situation:
either he destroys the bridge and the frost giants with it or, he relys on Thor to smash the bridge to save them. Either way the bridge is down and the Asgardians are cut off from Earth (temporarily at least). Go Loki!
/spoilers.[/quote]
Love the posts, Roybot, keep them up!
WOO HOO!
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Thank you sir. Marvel seem to be really pulling out all the stops with these cross references. Hard to keep track of them all, but damn if they don’t ramp up the anticipation and entertainment factor…
Wonder what kind of film this would’ve been if they didn’t have to tie it in The Avengers. I guess since they aren’t doing the Ant Man film they are putting more tie-ins with this and probably Captain America.
[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
Wonder what kind of film this would’ve been if they didn’t have to tie it in The Avengers. I guess since they aren’t doing the Ant Man film they are putting more tie-ins with this and probably Captain America.[/quote]
It probably would have sucked without the guidance of the first Iron Man movie.
Let’s face it…if this movie had sucked, that would have been the end of a solid Avengers movie ideal. The second Iron Man movie was nowhere near as good as the first because of the rushed schedule. They knew the pacing had to work on this and frankly, that alone (REALLY good editing) is what made this movie…not even the acting or the costumes.
Had they lagged anywhere in this to the point that it made you wonder why the movie was so long, it would have sucked.
Just when you get tired of Asgard, they take you back to Earth. Just when you are sick of Earth, you are back in Asgard.
That two hours went by without me eve looking at my watch…which is rare in movies today.
^^ I think Kenneth Brannaugh knew what he was doing. This movie may not have worked, or at least not as well, with a different director.
[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
Wonder what kind of film this would’ve been if they didn’t have to tie it in The Avengers. I guess since they aren’t doing the Ant Man film they are putting more tie-ins with this and probably Captain America.[/quote]
Seriously, nobody wants to watch an Ant man film