[quote]orion wrote:
jg884x wrote:
Let’s face it. I as an american do not mind doing what we think is right. If we have to go build a base in a country and patrol their streets so innocent people that aren’t at war, such as those in the world trade center, don’t die, that’s fine by me. Build two or three bases. Also, if we have to go to cuba because they are so close to america and they may have a nuclear missile, then hell ya i’d build three more there.
If America has enough power and influence that we can go to these places and make a difference, and also protect our country better then i’m fine with it. Also I don’t see why too many other countries would complain when americans are the primary people in these countries that are losing our lives when other countries decided to support the cause, but when their men started dying the pulled out.
Just for starters, the primary people losing their lives are never the Americans. [/quote]
C’mon now, Orion, he said “people”. Surely, you must know better than to put brown or yellow species of savages in that category.
Just for starters, the primary people losing their lives are never the Americans.
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well we are involved because we were attacked first. Now that there is not as big of a threat we are trying to help establish a form of government that can manage themselves against the people who want to take innocent lives in the name of their god. As far as I’m concerned, Americans could just leave over there and there would be far more deaths than there currently are.
There is at least some form of organization over there that is keeping it from going back to the way it was before we were there. All I can say is I sleep better at night knowing that we are in that country and there is far less of a chance for training camps to form and practice killing the innocent.
Just for starters, the primary people losing their lives are never the Americans.
well we are involved because we were attacked first. Now that there is not as big of a threat we are trying to help establish a form of government that can manage themselves against the people who want to take innocent lives in the name of their god. As far as I’m concerned, Americans could just leave over there and there would be far more deaths than there currently are.
There is at least some form of organization over there that is keeping it from going back to the way it was before we were there. All I can say is I sleep better at night knowing that we are in that country and there is far less of a chance for training camps to form and practice killing the innocent.[/quote]
Just for starters, the primary people losing their lives are never the Americans.
well we are involved because we were attacked first. Now that there is not as big of a threat we are trying to help establish a form of government that can manage themselves against the people who want to take innocent lives in the name of their god. As far as I’m concerned, Americans could just leave over there and there would be far more deaths than there currently are.
There is at least some form of organization over there that is keeping it from going back to the way it was before we were there. All I can say is I sleep better at night knowing that we are in that country and there is far less of a chance for training camps to form and practice killing the innocent.[/quote]
So in order to prevent attacks from religious fanatics from Saudi Arabia you invaded the most secular country in the ME?
And you feel safer now?
Good for you.
And that justified killing hundreds of thousands and displacing millions in what way?
How many dead Iraqis equal a good night of sleep Sir?
Well the al queda was the ones that flew the planes into our buildings. you know, like bin laden. anyways, we are in that country so that iraqi’s are trained better to defent themselves agains terrorist organizations such as the al queda who flew their planes into our buildings. Also we are providing more safety to them by being there until they have some stability.
o and we’re not killing iraqis unless they attack us first. like the kids with the guns that are trained to shoot u.s. soldiers, because they are u.s. soldiers. Those are the ones that are being killed. It’s not like we are killing the innocent people here.
[quote]jg884x wrote:
Well the al queda was the ones that flew the planes into our buildings. you know, like bin laden. anyways, we are in that country so that iraqi’s are trained better to defent themselves agains terrorist organizations such as the al queda who flew their planes into our buildings. Also we are providing more safety to them by being there until they have some stability.[/quote]
This is even better than that Miss Teen South Carolina video!
sorry guys i just get a little upset over this stuff easily. I just want to say that I do not necessarily condone war unless it is a just cause. I also do not want any innocent people to die or have their lives put in jeopardy.
I know that everyone has their different views and I was just expressing mine. There is no right or wrong choice because everyone has an opinion. I just wish that everyone saw everything the same way and there would be no conflict!
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
You’re a proud American because of lies? I find that rather strange.
The US has military bases all over the world. I believe it has a rather big base on Cuba that has been in the news recently.
While the US did indeed sent an aircraft carrier into the region to help the tsunami victims, help flooded in from all over the world. There is no evidence for this conversation.
There’s also no evidence for the conversation at the naval conference. Where was the conference exactly? And when did it take place.
Oh boy, you Yanks are so gullible.[/quote]
I think we are a GREAT country in MANY ways. But let’s not be so naive and pretend we are altruistic philanthropists here. Case in point: the aid the U.S. initially tried to offer after the Tsunami was one of the lowest, if not the lowest, percentage of aid in comparison to wealth of any of the countries that rallied around Thailand. And the acutal amount itself was much less than many poorer countries as well. It was only after we were rightly and soundly criticized that we offered any appreciable amount. But that is our government. PRIVATE donations from our CITIZENS were among the most generous from the very beginning. THAT makes ME proud.
[quote]jg884x wrote:
Well the al queda was the ones that flew the planes into our buildings. you know, like bin laden. anyways, we are in that country so that iraqi’s are trained better to defent themselves agains terrorist organizations such as the al queda who flew their planes into our buildings. Also we are providing more safety to them by being there until they have some stability.[/quote]
That is not why we are in that country. That is a post-hoc rationalization of why we are there when the initial, stated reasons proved to be unfounded. Iraqui liberation might be a nice side benefit IF we we can achieve a workable political solution, which not learning from Vietnam and many other past mistakes, we retardely failed to even attempt to work towards until 3 years into the conflict.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
THAT makes ME proud.[/quote]
How about the story on 60 Minutes a while back. 2 American doctors traveled to the Al-Qaeda run tribal areas in Pakistan which were devastated by an Earthquake to help people. The army took them to the outskirts, showed them a sign saying that all foreigners would be killed, and told them not to go in, yet they did anyway. They helped a lot of people who would have otherwise died and did so on their own, not with US government or any other kind of aid.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
THAT makes ME proud.
How about the story on 60 Minutes a while back. 2 American doctors traveled to the Al-Qaeda run tribal areas in Pakistan which were devastated by an Earthquake to help people. The army took them to the outskirts, showed them a sign saying that all foreigners would be killed, and told them not to go in, yet they did anyway. They helped a lot of people who would have otherwise died and did so on their own, not with US government or any other kind of aid.[/quote]
That is not why we are in that country. That is a post-hoc rationalization of why we are there when the initial, stated reasons proved to be unfounded. Iraqui liberation might be a nice side benefit IF we we can achieve a workable political solution, which not learning from Vietnam and many other past mistakes, we retardely failed to even attempt to work towards until 3 years into the conflict. [/quote]
Well like i said before. There are far fewer training camps over there now for terrorists and i believe that is a big plus!
That is not why we are in that country. That is a post-hoc rationalization of why we are there when the initial, stated reasons proved to be unfounded. Iraqui liberation might be a nice side benefit IF we we can achieve a workable political solution, which not learning from Vietnam and many other past mistakes, we retardely failed to even attempt to work towards until 3 years into the conflict.
Well like i said before. There are far fewer training camps over there now for terrorists and i believe that is a big plus![/quote]
Well, before there were none, now there are hundreds.