[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I am studying abroad in Santiago right now : ) I didn’t know they had laws like that in place. Good for them!! It will happen someday in the US, I just hope it’s soon ; )
[quote]StraightEdgeHxC wrote:
Here abortion is illegal. If you are caught having an abortion. They kill you… and they kill the doctor giving the abortion. Period.
Oh sorry. Chile.[/quote]
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Right… because were so good at enforcing the death penalty (in the states that have it)!
(SARCASM)
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
From the moment of conception the baby is ALWAYS separate from the mother. It is NEVER the choice of the woman. A baby has a complete and different DNA from the mother, they don’t even share blood. The mother was there to create the life, she shouldn’t have the right to kill a life because it might be in her way. Can you kill your parents when they get in the way?
[quote]Deorum wrote:
. . . . survive without its mothers womb therefor it is a part of the mother’s body. No different than any other organ . . . .[/quote]
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Your missing my point. I don’t care if you want to call it a living human being or not. It is a leaching entity on the mother and if the mother does not want to be taxed by this entity that is her choice. If your survival depended on sapping nutrients from my body and I didn’t provide them to you it is not murder. Much the same it is not murder when a mother decides to stop providing a host for an embryo in which to grow. She is entitled to defend and remove from her body any entity - foreign or native; human or otherwise.
Killing someone is NEVER something you should do. I might understand it if your family is at risk or something like that, but we aren’t talking about that. Plus the death penalty is NOT a deterrent. So why even waste the effort?
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
Right… because were so good at enforcing the death penalty (in the states that have it)!
(SARCASM)[/quote]
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]StraightEdgeHxC wrote:
[quote]studgorilla wrote:
[quote]StraightEdgeHxC wrote:
Fun fact;
Here abortion is illegal. If you are caught having an abortion. They kill you… and they kill the doctor giving the abortion. Period.
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Where is “here”? What is your location?[/quote]
Oh sorry. Chile.[/quote]
…i did not know that. The wiki page on the subject says nothing about a death penalty, but it does give you an idea of the possible consequences of making abortion illegal: Abortion in Chile - Wikipedia
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It seems you are correct…
I am not actually from here. Ive been here the last few months visiting my father. I was discussing this with family and they were quite serious on the matter. I am seeing one of them next week and will see what i can find. Ill let you know.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I am studying abroad in Santiago right now : ) I didn’t know they had laws like that in place. Good for them!! It will happen someday in the US, I just hope it’s soon ; )
[quote]StraightEdgeHxC wrote:
Here abortion is illegal. If you are caught having an abortion. They kill you… and they kill the doctor giving the abortion. Period.
Oh sorry. Chile.[/quote]
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Santiago is great. I’m in viña del mar. But i spend most of my time in Santiago at discotheques.
A large percent of the girls trying to get abortions have been victims of raped and impregnated by there rapist. You can understand why they want to get an abortion… ?
I get your point. And where was the mother during the creation of the life? Why is it the mothers choice to kill a defenseless child that does nothing to anyone? And don’t tell me the child is a parasite. A parasite will eventually kill the host, that has never happened with a baby. The natural place for a baby is with the mother. After a pregnancy. why do so many have an intimate bond with their child? Plus we aren’t talking about me sapping nutrients from YOU, don’t change the subject : )
[quote]Deorum wrote:
Your missing my point. I don’t care if you want to call it a living human being or not. It is a leaching entity on the mother and if the mother does not want to be taxed by this entity that is her choice. If your survival depended on sapping nutrients from my body and I didn’t provide them to you it is not murder. Much the same it is not murder when a mother decides to stop providing a host for an embryo in which to grow. She is entitled to defend and remove from her body any entity - foreign or native; human or otherwise.[/quote]
I’m thinking of going to Viña this weekend!! ; ) Hope your having a blast man.
It’s never an easy thing with rape. I thought rape was really rare here in Chile? In the states it’s something like .3 percent of abortions are from rape. Having an abortion still won’t stop the mental aspect of the crime. Why not give the child to a deserving family if the girl doesn’t want the baby. Plus, a number of girls fall in love with the child after seeing them the first time : ) A beautiful thing can happen through one of the worst crimes in humanity, why make it even worse?
[quote]StraightEdgeHxC wrote:
Santiago is great. I’m in Viña del Mar. But i spend most of my time in Santiago at discotheques.
A large percent of the girls trying to get abortions have been victims of raped and impregnated by there rapist. You can understand why they want to get an abortion… ?[/quote]
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Killing someone is NEVER something you should do. I might understand it if your family is at risk or something like that, but we aren’t talking about that. Plus the death penalty is NOT a deterrent. So why even waste the effort?
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
Right… because were so good at enforcing the death penalty (in the states that have it)!
(SARCASM)[/quote]
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Is this not what you said?
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I am studying abroad in Santiago right now : ) I didn’t know they had laws like that in place. Good for them!! It will happen someday in the US, I just hope it’s soon ; )
[quote]StraightEdgeHxC wrote:
Here abortion is illegal. If you are caught having an abortion. They kill you… and they kill the doctor giving the abortion. Period.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I’m thinking of going to ViÃ?±a this weekend!! ; ) Hope your having a blast man.
It’s never an easy thing with rape. I thought rape was really rare here in Chile? In the states it’s something like .3 percent of abortions are from rape. Having an abortion still won’t stop the mental aspect of the crime. Why not give the child to a deserving family if the girl doesn’t want the baby. Plus, a number of girls fall in love with the child after seeing them the first time : ) A beautiful thing can happen through one of the worst crimes in humanity, why make it even worse?
[quote]StraightEdgeHxC wrote:
Santiago is great. I’m in ViÃ?±a del Mar. But i spend most of my time in Santiago at discotheques.
A large percent of the girls trying to get abortions have been victims of raped and impregnated by there rapist. You can understand why they want to get an abortion… ?[/quote]
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So you now also know psychological aspects of being a victim of a violent crime and having to carry, and have the result of a hatefull act grow inside you?
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I’m thinking of going to ViÃ??Ã?±a this weekend!! ; ) Hope your having a blast man.
It’s never an easy thing with rape. I thought rape was really rare here in Chile? In the states it’s something like .3 percent of abortions are from rape. Having an abortion still won’t stop the mental aspect of the crime. Why not give the child to a deserving family if the girl doesn’t want the baby. Plus, a number of girls fall in love with the child after seeing them the first time : ) A beautiful thing can happen through one of the worst crimes in humanity, why make it even worse?
[quote]StraightEdgeHxC wrote:
Santiago is great. I’m in ViÃ??Ã?±a del Mar. But i spend most of my time in Santiago at discotheques.
A large percent of the girls trying to get abortions have been victims of raped and impregnated by there rapist. You can understand why they want to get an abortion… ?[/quote]
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So you now also know psychological aspects of being a victim of a violent crime and having to carry, and have the result of a hatefull act grow inside you? [/quote]
I KNEW he had to have a vagina!!!
I think ppl should mind there fucking business as far as the pro life/pro choice and gay rights matter goes…obviously one has nothing to do with the other, but these are questions of ones morals are…NOT legal issues. Goddamn conservatives
[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I’m thinking of going to ViÃ???Ã??Ã?±a this weekend!! ; ) Hope your having a blast man.
It’s never an easy thing with rape. I thought rape was really rare here in Chile? In the states it’s something like .3 percent of abortions are from rape. Having an abortion still won’t stop the mental aspect of the crime. Why not give the child to a deserving family if the girl doesn’t want the baby. Plus, a number of girls fall in love with the child after seeing them the first time : ) A beautiful thing can happen through one of the worst crimes in humanity, why make it even worse?
[quote]StraightEdgeHxC wrote:
Santiago is great. I’m in ViÃ???Ã??Ã?±a del Mar. But i spend most of my time in Santiago at discotheques.
A large percent of the girls trying to get abortions have been victims of raped and impregnated by there rapist. You can understand why they want to get an abortion… ?[/quote]
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So you now also know psychological aspects of being a victim of a violent crime and having to carry, and have the result of a hatefull act grow inside you? [/quote]
I KNEW he had to have a vagina!!![/quote]
LOL! You’re killing me PMPM.
[quote]Deliverance wrote:
I think ppl should mind there fucking business as far as the pro life/pro choice and gay rights matter goes…obviously one has nothing to do with the other, but these are questions of ones morals are…NOT legal issues. Goddamn conservatives[/quote]
Haven’t been to this forum much have you?
And it’s not just Goddamn conservative, it’s also those fucking liberals!!
Funny liberals are against the death penalty but for abortion, meanwhile most conservatives are for the death penalty and against abortion.
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
Funny liberals are against the death penalty but for abortion, meanwhile most conservatives are for the death penalty and against abortion.[/quote]
Bah, kill em all!
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
you say the brain has certain characteristics, what would those traits be?
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…what are you talking about? You’re not making sense…[/quote]
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…why don’t you study and learn for yourself how and why the brain is the seat of consciousness?
[quote]Deliverance wrote:
I think ppl should mind there fucking business as far as the pro life/pro choice and gay rights matter goes…obviously one has nothing to do with the other, but these are questions of ones morals are…NOT legal issues. Goddamn conservatives[/quote]
Damn straight! It’s a question of morals. People have no right to defend what they consider to be an innocent child!
We should just let everyone do as they morally see fit. http://www.nambla.org/
Almost every law is a question of morals. Goddamn retards.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I get your point. And where was the mother during the creation of the life? Why is it the mothers choice to kill a defenseless child that does nothing to anyone? And don’t tell me the child is a parasite. A parasite will eventually kill the host, that has never happened with a baby. The natural place for a baby is with the mother. After a pregnancy. why do so many have an intimate bond with their child? Plus we aren’t talking about me sapping nutrients from YOU, don’t change the subject : )
[quote]Deorum wrote:
Your missing my point. I don’t care if you want to call it a living human being or not. It is a leaching entity on the mother and if the mother does not want to be taxed by this entity that is her choice. If your survival depended on sapping nutrients from my body and I didn’t provide them to you it is not murder. Much the same it is not murder when a mother decides to stop providing a host for an embryo in which to grow. She is entitled to defend and remove from her body any entity - foreign or native; human or otherwise.[/quote]
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Who knows where the mother was. It is irrelevant. She could have been walking in a park when she was raped and impregnated. She could have been a 13year old having sex, not knowing exactly what she doing. The circumstances matter not to me.
Also,
Parasite: an animal or plant that lives in or on a host (another animal or plant); it obtains nourishment from the host without benefiting or killing the host
Also, Also,
Many pregnancies result in the death of the mother. This is not by any stretch a rare occurrence.
I never said I new now how it feels. I do know killing a child will never result in everything being ok. With any bad event in life, you have to look for the positives shrug Is it easy? Never. But the more difficult the challenge, the greater reward.
Take a pole of the women who were raped and that resulted in a pregnancy. Compare the rates of abortion vs carrying the baby to full term and then look at the woman’s happiness after the crime. Want to guess where the numbers show satisfaction/happiness? Killing a child is never going to make things better. And why is it you are arguing the abortion, when rapes account for a third of a percent of the total number of abortions in the US? .03 compared to 99.7 isn’t ever going to win an argument ; )
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
So you now also know psychological aspects of being a victim of a violent crime and having to carry, and have the result of a hatefull act grow inside you? [/quote]
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I never said I new now how it feels. I do know killing a child will never result in everything being ok. With any bad event in life, you have to look for the positives shrug Is it easy? Never. But the more difficult the challenge, the greater reward.
Take a pole of the women who were raped and that resulted in a pregnancy. Compare the rates of abortion vs carrying the baby to full term and then look at the woman’s happiness after the crime. Want to guess where the numbers show satisfaction/happiness? Killing a child is never going to make things better. And why is it you are arguing the abortion, when rapes account for a third of a percent of the total number of abortions in the US? .03 compared to 99.7 isn’t ever going to win an argument ; )
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
So you now also know psychological aspects of being a victim of a violent crime and having to carry, and have the result of a hatefull act grow inside you? [/quote]
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It was brought up and you jumped on the bandwagon! So where is this poll backing up what you are saying?