British food.
Chris
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
Hitler.
I mean not for the assinate all Jews campaign, but you have to admit, the guy was a great fucking leader. He took an entire nation from zero to hero…and then ofcourse back to zero[/quote]
No, I do not have to admit.
[/quote]
Nor do I.
A great fucking leader doesn’t destroy the citizens of his own nation. [/quote]
Yeah, I don’t even know where to start with that one…
I assume the kid was joking but he needs to read a history book with illustrations before he finds that shit funny. [/quote]
I hope he was joking as well. Still in poor taste.
I’m always amazed when I hear certain people denying the Holocaust ever happened.
You mentioned illustrations… but I know you meant photographs.
What’s interesting is, I’ve never seen an illustration of the atrocities of the Holocaust. The photos are so raw in telling the story, I can’t imagine a artist capturing that.
[/quote]
Also, there were artists in Auschwitz, some survived, some smuggled paintings out:
http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/holocaust/art.htm
[/quote]
It’s absolutely frakking terrifying that art came out of Auschwitz when an artist orchestrated the whole thing. ID will know what I’m talking about. [/quote]
You bet!
Hitler’s first dream for a career was to be an artist.
I’m not sure if it’s ever been studied as such, but I have a theory that Hitler’s hatred of Jews began with his rejection from the art academy (which was headed by Jews).
I agree that is is terrifying that art did come out of the camps under such conditions. But some of the greatest art ever made was created during times of duress.
When you are left with nothing, then what you have inside is the only thing you can hold onto. These people could do nothing but express this.
Earlier when I mentioned I’ve never seen illustrations of the Holocaust, I meant from later artists (not survivors) hired to draw pictures for books or articles.
There may be some in existence, but I’m not aware of them.
[/quote]
Yeah, I know what you meant by there being no naturalistic drawings of the Holocaust. I suppose it’s too commercial and close to the bone for a survivor to take up such a commission. It’s just that in some perverse way, those works are Hitler’s true artistic legacy.
I don’t want to think about it in those terms, but I can’t help it. If he hadn’t been an aspiring artist himself it would be a different story: if only he was given a place in art school- he’d have whiled away his days painting on a hill overlooking a town or beside a river.
[/quote]
Whether Hitler or someone else it was going to happem.
Demons are a motherfucker…[/quote]
Yeah, but a demon wannabe artist adds a new twist. There are two types of leaders: those who inspire by example and those who lead from behind and send their followers to their deaths.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
Hitler.
I mean not for the assinate all Jews campaign, but you have to admit, the guy was a great fucking leader. He took an entire nation from zero to hero…and then ofcourse back to zero[/quote]
No, I do not have to admit.
[/quote]
Nor do I.
A great fucking leader doesn’t destroy the citizens of his own nation. [/quote]
Yeah, I don’t even know where to start with that one…
I assume the kid was joking but he needs to read a history book with illustrations before he finds that shit funny. [/quote]
I hope he was joking as well. Still in poor taste.
I’m always amazed when I hear certain people denying the Holocaust ever happened.
You mentioned illustrations… but I know you meant photographs.
What’s interesting is, I’ve never seen an illustration of the atrocities of the Holocaust. The photos are so raw in telling the story, I can’t imagine a artist capturing that.
[/quote]
Also, there were artists in Auschwitz, some survived, some smuggled paintings out:
http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/holocaust/art.htm
[/quote]
It’s absolutely frakking terrifying that art came out of Auschwitz when an artist orchestrated the whole thing. ID will know what I’m talking about. [/quote]
You bet!
Hitler’s first dream for a career was to be an artist.
I’m not sure if it’s ever been studied as such, but I have a theory that Hitler’s hatred of Jews began with his rejection from the art academy (which was headed by Jews).
I agree that is is terrifying that art did come out of the camps under such conditions. But some of the greatest art ever made was created during times of duress.
When you are left with nothing, then what you have inside is the only thing you can hold onto. These people could do nothing but express this.
Earlier when I mentioned I’ve never seen illustrations of the Holocaust, I meant from later artists (not survivors) hired to draw pictures for books or articles.
There may be some in existence, but I’m not aware of them.
[/quote]
Yeah, I know what you meant by there being no naturalistic drawings of the Holocaust. I suppose it’s too commercial and close to the bone for a survivor to take up such a commission. It’s just that in some perverse way, those works are Hitler’s true artistic legacy.
I don’t want to think about it in those terms, but I can’t help it. If he hadn’t been an aspiring artist himself it would be a different story: if only he was given a place in art school- he’d have whiled away his days painting on a hill overlooking a town or beside a river.
[/quote]
Whether Hitler or someone else it was going to happem.
Demons are a motherfucker…[/quote]
Yeah, but a demon wannabe artist adds a new twist. There are two types of leaders: those who inspire by example and those who lead from behind and send their followers to their deaths. [/quote]
This conversation.
Wait, wrong thread.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
Hitler.
I mean not for the assinate all Jews campaign, but you have to admit, the guy was a great fucking leader. He took an entire nation from zero to hero…and then ofcourse back to zero[/quote]
No, I do not have to admit.
[/quote]
Nor do I.
A great fucking leader doesn’t destroy the citizens of his own nation. [/quote]
Yeah, I don’t even know where to start with that one…
I assume the kid was joking but he needs to read a history book with illustrations before he finds that shit funny. [/quote]
I hope he was joking as well. Still in poor taste.
I’m always amazed when I hear certain people denying the Holocaust ever happened.
You mentioned illustrations… but I know you meant photographs.
What’s interesting is, I’ve never seen an illustration of the atrocities of the Holocaust. The photos are so raw in telling the story, I can’t imagine a artist capturing that.
[/quote]
Also, there were artists in Auschwitz, some survived, some smuggled paintings out:
http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/holocaust/art.htm
[/quote]
It’s absolutely frakking terrifying that art came out of Auschwitz when an artist orchestrated the whole thing. ID will know what I’m talking about. [/quote]
You bet!
Hitler’s first dream for a career was to be an artist.
I’m not sure if it’s ever been studied as such, but I have a theory that Hitler’s hatred of Jews began with his rejection from the art academy (which was headed by Jews).
I agree that is is terrifying that art did come out of the camps under such conditions. But some of the greatest art ever made was created during times of duress.
When you are left with nothing, then what you have inside is the only thing you can hold onto. These people could do nothing but express this.
Earlier when I mentioned I’ve never seen illustrations of the Holocaust, I meant from later artists (not survivors) hired to draw pictures for books or articles.
There may be some in existence, but I’m not aware of them.
[/quote]
Yeah, I know what you meant by there being no naturalistic drawings of the Holocaust. I suppose it’s too commercial and close to the bone for a survivor to take up such a commission. It’s just that in some perverse way, those works are Hitler’s true artistic legacy.
I don’t want to think about it in those terms, but I can’t help it. If he hadn’t been an aspiring artist himself it would be a different story: if only he was given a place in art school- he’d have whiled away his days painting on a hill overlooking a town or beside a river.
[/quote]
Whether Hitler or someone else it was going to happem.
Demons are a motherfucker…[/quote]
Yeah, but a demon wannabe artist adds a new twist. There are two types of leaders: those who inspire by example and those who lead from behind and send their followers to their deaths. [/quote]
Ot ones who take a clockmaker approach and don’t lead at all.
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
Hitler.
I mean not for the assinate all Jews campaign, but you have to admit, the guy was a great fucking leader. He took an entire nation from zero to hero…and then ofcourse back to zero[/quote]
No, I do not have to admit.
[/quote]
Nor do I.
A great fucking leader doesn’t destroy the citizens of his own nation. [/quote]
Yeah, I don’t even know where to start with that one…
I assume the kid was joking but he needs to read a history book with illustrations before he finds that shit funny. [/quote]
I hope he was joking as well. Still in poor taste.
I’m always amazed when I hear certain people denying the Holocaust ever happened.
You mentioned illustrations… but I know you meant photographs.
What’s interesting is, I’ve never seen an illustration of the atrocities of the Holocaust. The photos are so raw in telling the story, I can’t imagine a artist capturing that.
[/quote]
Also, there were artists in Auschwitz, some survived, some smuggled paintings out:
http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/holocaust/art.htm
[/quote]
It’s absolutely frakking terrifying that art came out of Auschwitz when an artist orchestrated the whole thing. ID will know what I’m talking about. [/quote]
You bet!
Hitler’s first dream for a career was to be an artist.
I’m not sure if it’s ever been studied as such, but I have a theory that Hitler’s hatred of Jews began with his rejection from the art academy (which was headed by Jews).
I agree that is is terrifying that art did come out of the camps under such conditions. But some of the greatest art ever made was created during times of duress.
When you are left with nothing, then what you have inside is the only thing you can hold onto. These people could do nothing but express this.
Earlier when I mentioned I’ve never seen illustrations of the Holocaust, I meant from later artists (not survivors) hired to draw pictures for books or articles.
There may be some in existence, but I’m not aware of them.
[/quote]
Yeah, I know what you meant by there being no naturalistic drawings of the Holocaust. I suppose it’s too commercial and close to the bone for a survivor to take up such a commission. It’s just that in some perverse way, those works are Hitler’s true artistic legacy.
I don’t want to think about it in those terms, but I can’t help it. If he hadn’t been an aspiring artist himself it would be a different story: if only he was given a place in art school- he’d have whiled away his days painting on a hill overlooking a town or beside a river.
[/quote]
Whether Hitler or someone else it was going to happem.
Demons are a motherfucker…[/quote]
Yeah, but a demon wannabe artist adds a new twist. There are two types of leaders: those who inspire by example and those who lead from behind and send their followers to their deaths. [/quote]
This conversation.
Wait, wrong thread.[/quote]
It rightly belongs in PWI where several vets would spend 10 pages evading each others’ questions and nothing would be achieved.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
Hitler.
I mean not for the assinate all Jews campaign, but you have to admit, the guy was a great fucking leader. He took an entire nation from zero to hero…and then ofcourse back to zero[/quote]
No, I do not have to admit.
[/quote]
Nor do I.
A great fucking leader doesn’t destroy the citizens of his own nation. [/quote]
Yeah, I don’t even know where to start with that one…
I assume the kid was joking but he needs to read a history book with illustrations before he finds that shit funny. [/quote]
I hope he was joking as well. Still in poor taste.
I’m always amazed when I hear certain people denying the Holocaust ever happened.
You mentioned illustrations… but I know you meant photographs.
What’s interesting is, I’ve never seen an illustration of the atrocities of the Holocaust. The photos are so raw in telling the story, I can’t imagine a artist capturing that.
[/quote]
Also, there were artists in Auschwitz, some survived, some smuggled paintings out:
http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/holocaust/art.htm
[/quote]
It’s absolutely frakking terrifying that art came out of Auschwitz when an artist orchestrated the whole thing. ID will know what I’m talking about. [/quote]
You bet!
Hitler’s first dream for a career was to be an artist.
I’m not sure if it’s ever been studied as such, but I have a theory that Hitler’s hatred of Jews began with his rejection from the art academy (which was headed by Jews).
I agree that is is terrifying that art did come out of the camps under such conditions. But some of the greatest art ever made was created during times of duress.
When you are left with nothing, then what you have inside is the only thing you can hold onto. These people could do nothing but express this.
Earlier when I mentioned I’ve never seen illustrations of the Holocaust, I meant from later artists (not survivors) hired to draw pictures for books or articles.
There may be some in existence, but I’m not aware of them.
[/quote]
Yeah, I know what you meant by there being no naturalistic drawings of the Holocaust. I suppose it’s too commercial and close to the bone for a survivor to take up such a commission. It’s just that in some perverse way, those works are Hitler’s true artistic legacy.
I don’t want to think about it in those terms, but I can’t help it. If he hadn’t been an aspiring artist himself it would be a different story: if only he was given a place in art school- he’d have whiled away his days painting on a hill overlooking a town or beside a river.
[/quote]
Whether Hitler or someone else it was going to happem.
Demons are a motherfucker…[/quote]
Yeah, but a demon wannabe artist adds a new twist. There are two types of leaders: those who inspire by example and those who lead from behind and send their followers to their deaths. [/quote]
Ot ones who take a clockmaker approach and don’t lead at all.
[/quote]
Clockmaker?
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
Hitler.
I mean not for the assinate all Jews campaign, but you have to admit, the guy was a great fucking leader. He took an entire nation from zero to hero…and then ofcourse back to zero[/quote]
No, I do not have to admit.
[/quote]
Nor do I.
A great fucking leader doesn’t destroy the citizens of his own nation. [/quote]
Yeah, I don’t even know where to start with that one…
I assume the kid was joking but he needs to read a history book with illustrations before he finds that shit funny. [/quote]
I hope he was joking as well. Still in poor taste.
I’m always amazed when I hear certain people denying the Holocaust ever happened.
You mentioned illustrations… but I know you meant photographs.
What’s interesting is, I’ve never seen an illustration of the atrocities of the Holocaust. The photos are so raw in telling the story, I can’t imagine a artist capturing that.
[/quote]
Also, there were artists in Auschwitz, some survived, some smuggled paintings out:
http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/holocaust/art.htm
[/quote]
It’s absolutely frakking terrifying that art came out of Auschwitz when an artist orchestrated the whole thing. ID will know what I’m talking about. [/quote]
You bet!
Hitler’s first dream for a career was to be an artist.
I’m not sure if it’s ever been studied as such, but I have a theory that Hitler’s hatred of Jews began with his rejection from the art academy (which was headed by Jews).
I agree that is is terrifying that art did come out of the camps under such conditions. But some of the greatest art ever made was created during times of duress.
When you are left with nothing, then what you have inside is the only thing you can hold onto. These people could do nothing but express this.
Earlier when I mentioned I’ve never seen illustrations of the Holocaust, I meant from later artists (not survivors) hired to draw pictures for books or articles.
There may be some in existence, but I’m not aware of them.
[/quote]
Yeah, I know what you meant by there being no naturalistic drawings of the Holocaust. I suppose it’s too commercial and close to the bone for a survivor to take up such a commission. It’s just that in some perverse way, those works are Hitler’s true artistic legacy.
I don’t want to think about it in those terms, but I can’t help it. If he hadn’t been an aspiring artist himself it would be a different story: if only he was given a place in art school- he’d have whiled away his days painting on a hill overlooking a town or beside a river.
[/quote]
Whether Hitler or someone else it was going to happem.
Demons are a motherfucker…[/quote]
Yeah, but a demon wannabe artist adds a new twist. There are two types of leaders: those who inspire by example and those who lead from behind and send their followers to their deaths. [/quote]
Ot ones who take a clockmaker approach and don’t lead at all.
[/quote]
Clockmaker?[/quote]
Ya know the Romance idea of “Gods” approach to the world.
As a leader whi uses the clockmaker approach he or she should only intervene when the people are in need. As does a clockmaker only looks at a clock when the bird doesn’t pop out.
Set it and forget it
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
Hitler.
I mean not for the assinate all Jews campaign, but you have to admit, the guy was a great fucking leader. He took an entire nation from zero to hero…and then ofcourse back to zero[/quote]
No, I do not have to admit.
[/quote]
Nor do I.
A great fucking leader doesn’t destroy the citizens of his own nation. [/quote]
Yeah, I don’t even know where to start with that one…
I assume the kid was joking but he needs to read a history book with illustrations before he finds that shit funny. [/quote]
I hope he was joking as well. Still in poor taste.
I’m always amazed when I hear certain people denying the Holocaust ever happened.
You mentioned illustrations… but I know you meant photographs.
What’s interesting is, I’ve never seen an illustration of the atrocities of the Holocaust. The photos are so raw in telling the story, I can’t imagine a artist capturing that.
[/quote]
Also, there were artists in Auschwitz, some survived, some smuggled paintings out:
http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/holocaust/art.htm
[/quote]
It’s absolutely frakking terrifying that art came out of Auschwitz when an artist orchestrated the whole thing. ID will know what I’m talking about. [/quote]
You bet!
Hitler’s first dream for a career was to be an artist.
I’m not sure if it’s ever been studied as such, but I have a theory that Hitler’s hatred of Jews began with his rejection from the art academy (which was headed by Jews).
I agree that is is terrifying that art did come out of the camps under such conditions. But some of the greatest art ever made was created during times of duress.
When you are left with nothing, then what you have inside is the only thing you can hold onto. These people could do nothing but express this.
Earlier when I mentioned I’ve never seen illustrations of the Holocaust, I meant from later artists (not survivors) hired to draw pictures for books or articles.
There may be some in existence, but I’m not aware of them.
[/quote]
Yeah, I know what you meant by there being no naturalistic drawings of the Holocaust. I suppose it’s too commercial and close to the bone for a survivor to take up such a commission. It’s just that in some perverse way, those works are Hitler’s true artistic legacy.
I don’t want to think about it in those terms, but I can’t help it. If he hadn’t been an aspiring artist himself it would be a different story: if only he was given a place in art school- he’d have whiled away his days painting on a hill overlooking a town or beside a river.
[/quote]
Whether Hitler or someone else it was going to happem.
Demons are a motherfucker…[/quote]
Yeah, but a demon wannabe artist adds a new twist. There are two types of leaders: those who inspire by example and those who lead from behind and send their followers to their deaths. [/quote]
This conversation.
Wait, wrong thread.[/quote]
It rightly belongs in PWI where several vets would spend 10 pages evading each others’ questions and nothing would be achieved. [/quote]
I think we ought to let this go as a bad joke that went even worse… Trying to salvage any dignity out of it, is doing the opposite. Tyrannical, psychotic leaders were and are not good in any way. For what little ‘good’ they may have done is drastically overshadowed by their horrific evil. Let’s drop this, shall we, no judgments, lets just move on. This is supposed to be a fun thread.
[quote]StanDiego wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
The Grateful Dead[/quote]
X2. even in so cal deadheads are a dying breed. party![/quote]
I prefer it be on the fringe anyhow. Big popularity never really suited them. All the ‘Touch of Gray’ heads, didn’t get the experience. It’s supposed to be fun and mellow. Those dickheads came in and started wrecking shit and breaking down barriers, when it was so not about that.
I talked to a cop at one of the shows where he said he rather liked working the shows because everybody was so polite and nobody gave them a hard time. That was my experience. Peace and joy and loads of fun. There’s never been and there never will be anything like it…
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]StanDiego wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
The Grateful Dead[/quote]
X2. even in so cal deadheads are a dying breed. party![/quote]
I prefer it be on the fringe anyhow. Big popularity never really suited them. All the ‘Touch of Gray’ heads, didn’t get the experience. It’s supposed to be fun and mellow. Those dickheads came in and started wrecking shit and breaking down barriers, when it was so not about that.
I talked to a cop at one of the shows where he said he rather liked working the shows because everybody was so polite and nobody gave them a hard time. That was my experience. Peace and joy and loads of fun. There’s never been and there never will be anything like it…[/quote]
Though I’ve never been a Dead fan, I find that I’m curious about the experience. The irony is that though I’m mostly left-wing, I never blended well with the hardcore hippie culture. But the idea of gathering in a setting where everyone is on the same page, open, joyful and peaceful about it is alluring to me.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Though I’ve never been a Dead fan, I find that I’m curious about the experience. The irony is that though I’m mostly left-wing, I never blended well with the hardcore hippie culture. But the idea of gathering in a setting where everyone is on the same page, open, joyful and peaceful about it is alluring to me.
[/quote]
It’s soooo not political, Jerry made sure of that. The experience transcends all that stuff. The ‘dead head’ being a dirty smelly left wing hippie is just a stereotype. The point is the music, it’s the muse and the basis behind the whole thing. Heads came in all shapes, sizes and backgrounds. It’s spans, and pretty evenly too, from dirty smelly low-life’s always looking for a hand out to Dr’s and lawyers trying to make it to a show, but running late because the operation took longer than expected; and everything else in between.
A deadhead is simply somebody who likes their music, beyond that, everything else is subjective. Head’s get a lot of stereotypes put on them, but it’s really a vast crowd.
The thing to remember is that the Grateful Dead is gone, no more. People try to emulate the experience, try to follow Phish or whatever, trying to project the same kind of experience the Dead had, but it’s just not. It’s a unique thing and will never happen again. You cannot make that kind of thing happen, it just happens. I think it’s silly to try and pretend that it’s something that it’s not. I am not downing Phish, I am just saying that some fans try to make them the Dead. They aren’t, that will never happen again.
The music is still there, but the experience is gone. I think it’s unhealthy to not get that fact…
sauerkraut
limburger or beercase cheese
raw oysters
heart (beef, lamb, deer, elk)
1 ft + snow storm
mowing the lawn
cats
Nickel Back
Watching Curling
Dubstep Techno
LOL at hitler being a good leader. “follow me, or you’ll be killed” Truly inspiring stuff right there… lol
on topic:
Cats
Large amounts of snow
Jim Rome
Gas guzzling vehicles.
Dallas Cowboys
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
Hitler.
I mean not for the assinate all Jews campaign, but you have to admit, the guy was a great fucking leader. He took an entire nation from zero to hero…and then ofcourse back to zero[/quote]
No, I do not have to admit.
[/quote]
Nor do I.
A great fucking leader doesn’t destroy the citizens of his own nation. [/quote]
Yeah, I don’t even know where to start with that one…
I assume the kid was joking but he needs to read a history book with illustrations before he finds that shit funny. [/quote]
I hope he was joking as well. Still in poor taste.
I’m always amazed when I hear certain people denying the Holocaust ever happened.
You mentioned illustrations… but I know you meant photographs.
What’s interesting is, I’ve never seen an illustration of the atrocities of the Holocaust. The photos are so raw in telling the story, I can’t imagine a artist capturing that.
[/quote]
Also, there were artists in Auschwitz, some survived, some smuggled paintings out:
http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/holocaust/art.htm
[/quote]
It’s absolutely frakking terrifying that art came out of Auschwitz when an artist orchestrated the whole thing. ID will know what I’m talking about. [/quote]
You bet!
Hitler’s first dream for a career was to be an artist.
I’m not sure if it’s ever been studied as such, but I have a theory that Hitler’s hatred of Jews began with his rejection from the art academy (which was headed by Jews).
I agree that is is terrifying that art did come out of the camps under such conditions. But some of the greatest art ever made was created during times of duress.
When you are left with nothing, then what you have inside is the only thing you can hold onto. These people could do nothing but express this.
Earlier when I mentioned I’ve never seen illustrations of the Holocaust, I meant from later artists (not survivors) hired to draw pictures for books or articles.
There may be some in existence, but I’m not aware of them.
[/quote]
Yeah, I know what you meant by there being no naturalistic drawings of the Holocaust. I suppose it’s too commercial and close to the bone for a survivor to take up such a commission. It’s just that in some perverse way, those works are Hitler’s true artistic legacy.
I don’t want to think about it in those terms, but I can’t help it. If he hadn’t been an aspiring artist himself it would be a different story: if only he was given a place in art school- he’d have whiled away his days painting on a hill overlooking a town or beside a river.
[/quote]
Whether Hitler or someone else it was going to happem.
Demons are a motherfucker…[/quote]
Yeah, but a demon wannabe artist adds a new twist. There are two types of leaders: those who inspire by example and those who lead from behind and send their followers to their deaths. [/quote]
This conversation.
Wait, wrong thread.[/quote]
It rightly belongs in PWI where several vets would spend 10 pages evading each others’ questions and nothing would be achieved. [/quote]
I think we ought to let this go as a bad joke that went even worse… Trying to salvage any dignity out of it, is doing the opposite. Tyrannical, psychotic leaders were and are not good in any way. For what little ‘good’ they may have done is drastically overshadowed by their horrific evil. Let’s drop this, shall we, no judgments, lets just move on. This is supposed to be a fun thread.[/quote]
Gee, thanks Pat!
[quote]derf wrote:
1 ft + snow storm
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If you’re from Nevada I can see how this would be something you’d love.
Uh oh…yeah guys I was totally kidding. I completely forgot/underestimated the seriousness of the internets. I was just trying to make a joke on how every once in a great while someone will talk about how good of a leader Hitler could have been, blah blah blah…
I didn’t take this tread seriously seeing how it was made in direct result of the opposite (things you hate that everyone loves) thread. And I was unaware that anyone would even give any legs to my comment.
Seriously, I didn’t mean to offend anyone and I apologize if I did.
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
Uh oh…yeah guys I was totally kidding. I completely forgot/underestimated the seriousness of the internets. I was just trying to make a joke on how every once in a great while someone will talk about how good of a leader Hitler could have been, blah blah blah…
I didn’t take this tread seriously seeing how it was made in direct result of the opposite (things you hate that everyone loves) thread. And I was unaware that anyone would even give any legs to my comment.
Seriously, I didn’t mean to offend anyone and I apologize if I did.[/quote]
Great.
That’s the last fucking time I defend anyone I don’t “know”.