Individuals are always responsible for their actions, culturally, morally and legally. Especially men. This is what the west is based on. Blaming others for your choices is weakness.
So you’re saying that black men can’t be held responsible for their actions because history… and white men are so responsible they must be pay for the sins of their cultural ancestors via reparations?
Talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations. That’s racist!
Not when you are enslaved. This is the problem with the white patriarchy. “Those blacks should just stop being victims.”
Well, it’s just not that easy. Individually, sure, collectively, not so easy.
Kind of. I think it’s a thought worth discussing.
Blacks have been enslaved and institutionally discriminated against for 400 years - the first blacks were sold in Virgina in 1619. Most of the wealth in the south was from cotton picked by blacks. If not for slavery, cotton most likely would not have been marketable. So most of the southern landholders and their children, and subsequent generation, benefited from the slave labor of cotton pickers. That’s Coke, American Steel, ad infinitum.
So, you just want them to fuck off now?
“The” meaning people on welfare. All of em.
Proof that humans suck by nature. We have to be groomed and we’ve all seen good and bad grooming.
That’d be an awful Democrat thing to do and I just can’t side with them.
They were betrayed by their own kind! We focus on black slavery in America, but slavery has been a thing since the beginning of time.
We just finished studying Daniel at church. His country (Judah) was attacked and defeated by King Nebuchadnezzar. Daniel was fortunate and taken as a slave instead of killed. He was smart and they decided to keep him and teach him their ways. The idea was to make him am ambassador for the kingdom. He rose up to a place of power and influence as a slave. This is also an example of being in control of how you react to life.
Slavery might outlast us all. It’s new form is called human trafficking.
Sold by Portuguese to white owners, at least here in America.
Oh, that makes it so much better. I’m cool with it now.
One individual, not how many million?
Okay, look at Obama. All blacks can be the president, we’re off the hook.
Okay, you’re a six year old girl being raped repeatedly by you uncle. It’s your fault if you don’t rise up and be president.
And that makes the black history in America better?
Not justifying it; pointing out that people are using all of this as part of an agenda, as leverage.
We each control how we react. It’s not a they, them, we, or us thing. It’s an individual thing.
I don’t really follow this one lol
Not even close. Damage will be done to people in life. How a person responds is a choice. Odds are that someone like that will grow up to be a prostitute, but that action is a choice. One can choose to go to therapy/counseling.
That type of person won’t ever be “normal” but they don’t have to throw away the rest of their life.
Like Trump? It’s all disgusting, I don’t care who you voted for, it’s all disgusting.
But when it is institutional, it is no longer and individual thing, and that is the point.
Well, one African American became president, that proves all can do what they want, become president, so we are no longer responsible for slavery.
I shoot you in your head and you’re dead. How are you going to respond to that?
I taught seventh grade in East New York. I had to pay to make copies, so I didn’t make copies. We had no books. My boy Marvin had his uncle shot in the front yard, and his sister raped at the store. No heat in the home, and his mom was fucking five johns a night.
Yeah, bro, education is free so raise yourself up.
I’m interpreting this as the individual no longer exists and is therefore, not responsible for their actions.
Plenty have. A shit life is not a blank check to be a shitty person and behave the same way as the people who mistreated you.
So, imagine yourself being ten, being raped by one of your mom’s boyfriends, nightly.
Your sister gets raped anonymously going to the store, your uncle gets shot in the front yard. There is no heat in your apartment, and there are ten guys a night coming in and fucking your mom.
You get up at seven, and there is no food. You’re hungry as fuck and cold as fuck.
You’re black, so when you go into the bodega (that’s a store), they watch you like a fucking hawk, waiting for you to steal something because they are Dominican.
You finally roll up to school (free), and you have a substitute that doesn’t give a shit because they can’t hire any teachers in this ghetto ass neighborhood.
An eighth graders offers you a blunt. You’re cold, tired, and hungry.
Say no. I dare you.
Now, Imagine yourself rolling out of a warm bed and taking a hot shower. You put on the latest clothes, grab your school issued laptop, go downstairs, kiss dad goodbye, hop in the BMW X5 with mom and stop at Bagel Boss, where you get an everything flagel with veggie schmear and a latte, with coconut milk.
You roll up to class and swipe your ID to get in, cause we’re all electronic, and roll into English class where you have The Myth, three masters degrees, been teaching 16 years, and we start each class by breathing together.
Yeah, that is a fair playing field.
To bring it back to the thread, that pisses me off.
I don’t think we are in Kansas anymore.
Slavery was a human institution since before recorded history. 15k years or so homo sapiens have existed? The Sumarians, Persians, Egyptians, Greeks and Romans all had slaves. Feudalism was slavery by a different name
The west (white men) ended slavery in areas they controlled from 1815 to 1865. There are still open air slave markets in Libya. The UAE and other Arab nations still use what amount to slaves (stolen passports etc…). SE Asia has slaves making red palm oil. Chinese communism amounts to slavery for 1B+ people. Nobody really cares about current slaves.
You don’t see all those groups using past injustices as excuses for present misbehavior.
You, sir, are seriously awesome. That must have required serious discipline and effort to achieve.
Getting into those masters program will require either a good GPA or a solid career if it’s been a while since you went to school though.
Yes; career choice is definitely a big part of it.
So if they jumped off a bridge, you would too?
So that is an example of a black man carving out a niche as a Tom. I’m sure he’s funded by Republicans and cops.
However, it’s a good counterpoint.
And he totally discounted the murder of Eric Garner - resisting arrest, lmao.
I don’t have the time or patience to get too involved in this one, but just wanted to add @Frank_C, I’m with you. Individuals are always responsible for their own actions, not those of their ancestors. Having said that, I thinknits worth noting the obvious fact that some people have it a lot tougher than most and that for them, it will be much more difficult to do the right thing or even know what the right thing is.
That’s the tough and crappy part of life. I see a lot of kids get completely ignored in childhood. Raising my own kids is proof that we’re naturally horrible people. These poor (figurative form of the word) kids don’t get any grooming, correction, etc and then they reach a point in life where they’re too big to be parented. The end result is a full grown adolescent who acts like a child. By the time they get into their teens it’s darn near impossible to change their behavior and mindset about life. By that point their behavior is earning them a label as a pain in the rear and they get treated as such.
I admit that they’re dealt a tough hand and it’s an uphill battle for them to be decent humans, but a lot of them do. My wife teaches at the poorest school in the district and there are some awesome kids. Some of them are even playing mommy to their younger siblings, but they see a better life for themselves.
I keep thinking of the logical fallacies I learned in high school English class. Just because A happened before B doesn’t mean A caused B.
In this scenario, our upbringing doesn’t 100% determine the outcome of our life. Lots of kids with good upbringings throw it away and turn into terrible people and vice versa. A can cause B, but it doesn’t have to.
I’m not sure what a young turk is, but it’s apparently retarded.
They named their podcast after the interim Turkish government that exterminated 1.5 million Armenian Christians. Then they go on to deny that ever happened. They aren’t nice people.