They're Made Out of Meat

[quote]etaco wrote:
Next topic: The challenges and merits of cannibalism. How can one gain worthwhile powers of others in a modern society in which only the least powerful are easily available? Next on Oprah.[/quote]

This one’s easy. Soul food (hehe) is accumulative, in other words, it’s not quality we’re after so much as quantity. Case in point:

What’s better… living on 20 g of filtered whey or 200g of caseinate?

Cannibalism has its place, but not around here under normal circumstances. It’s too annoying to get rid of the bodies. And then there’s the whining about ethical behavior, murdering, blah blah blah. If I had my way, I’d be hunting down the slow, fat people and barbecueing them. “HAHA! You’re not breathing MY air anymore now, are ya fattie?!”

And speaking of Oprah, I’d marinate her in a white wine sauce before grilling. Call me old-fashioned.

[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
etaco wrote:
Next topic: The challenges and merits of cannibalism. How can one gain worthwhile powers of others in a modern society in which only the least powerful are easily available? Next on Oprah.

This one’s easy. Soul food (hehe) is accumulative, in other words, it’s not quality we’re after so much as quantity. Case in point:

What’s better… living on 20 g of filtered whey or 200g of caseinate?

Cannibalism has its place, but not around here under normal circumstances. It’s too annoying to get rid of the bodies. And then there’s the whining about ethical behavior, murdering, blah blah blah. If I had my way, I’d be hunting down the slow, fat people and barbecueing them. “HAHA! You’re not breathing MY air anymore now, are ya fattie?!”

And speaking of Oprah, I’d marinate her in a white wine sauce before grilling. Call me old-fashioned.[/quote]

Why would you hunt them down when you could set a trap? Sit on your porch with a deep-frier and just shoot them when them come marching in like a zombie after deep fried, mystery-crumbed items.

You could also go fishing for them by tying a do-nut to a fishing line. You might want to use 400lbs line, though.

[quote]Massif wrote:
You could also go fishing for them by tying a do-nut to a fishing line. You might want to use 400lbs line, though.[/quote]

Another good idea from Massif.

Of course, to spice things up, I would use a light line, maybe 40lb test, and get pulled behind my prey on a skateboard. It’s like big game fishing… you just tire them out and then gaff the bitches.

Although I like the trap idea, I have a feeling it would be so impersonal and boring after a while, ya know? Maybe after leg day when I don’t feel like getting around as much the trap thing would come in handy.

“Oooo… damn those deadlifts, I am SORE. Looks like it’s a fried ham sammich over a punji pit for my lunch today.”

Thanks for the ideas, Massif. Keep ‘em comin’.

[quote]nephorm wrote:
Terry Bisson is great… the collection I first saw that in was entitled “Bears Discover Fire.” Check it out.[/quote]

‘Bears Discover Fire’? One of the best short stories I have ever read.

[quote]Grork wrote:
Oh come on pookie. If I said “my penis hangs like a cedar” would you take that to mean that my penis is straight or large?[/quote]

That it needs a good trim? That’s one of the problem with all those passages from the Bible; their language is full of poetic imagery. Different people will interpret it differently. A cedar is both straight and large; you go for the large interpretation because without it, the rest of the passage could describe many other large mammals. I go for the “straight” version, because it makes more sense. There is zero scientific evidence for someone seeing a brontosaurus 3500 year ago.

You’re right. That’s because of the mountain of evidence from science that tells us that man an dinosaurs never coexisted. I believe that science to be accurate, even if that means that some part of the Bible can’t be literally true.

You believe the Bible to be true in a literal sense; I don’t. We can discuss any number of passages, but we’ll never agree…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes, but you are the one who seemed to claim you had never heard my take on it before or that my take on it was outside of “mainstream Christianity”. It isn’t.[/quote]

Maybe I didn’t get you right. You said you believed in God and that he created the universe. But you also believe that man is not “the center of the universe”.

It’s that last part that’s not mainstream Christianity. The Earth used to be thought to be the literal center of creation; the Church fought Galileo when he proved that the Earth orbited the Sun and not the other way around. The Church fought science pretty much at every corner when something previously thought to be “divine” was explained in more rational and mundane terms.

There’s no place I can find in the Bible that teaches that God created a multitude of conscious living beings all across the galaxies and that we’re all equals in His eyes. The passage I remember is that God gives humankind dominion over all living things of creation. Technically, that sounds to me that we could eat E.T.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I thought this was going to turn into a PETArded vs meat eaters thread, not a creationism vs evolution thread.[/quote]

Hah! I thought I’d get a few “good story/that story sucks” responses and that’d be it.

Maybe we could also address Abortion, Gun Control, Keysian Economics and Euthanasia for good measure…

[quote]pookie wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Yes, but you are the one who seemed to claim you had never heard my take on it before or that my take on it was outside of “mainstream Christianity”. It isn’t.

Maybe I didn’t get you right. You said you believed in God and that he created the universe. But you also believe that man is not “the center of the universe”.

It’s that last part that’s not mainstream Christianity. The Earth used to be thought to be the literal center of creation; the Church fought Galileo when he proved that the Earth orbited the Sun and not the other way around. The Church fought science pretty much at every corner when something previously thought to be “divine” was explained in more rational and mundane terms.

There’s no place I can find in the Bible that teaches that God created a multitude of conscious living beings all across the galaxies and that we’re all equals in His eyes. The passage I remember is that God gives humankind dominion over all living things of creation. Technically, that sounds to me that we could eat E.T.
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Again, you miss the point. If God created man, man would not be the center of “the universe”. God would. That is what was meant by that statement, the understanding that we are not the epitome of being and our lives on this planet are not the be all end all of our part in this.

[quote]etaco wrote:
Next topic: The challenges and merits of cannibalism. How can one gain worthwhile powers of others in a modern society in which only the least powerful are easily available? Next on Oprah.[/quote]

I think it is safe to say that this thread has now officially gone to Hell.

Next thread, please.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Again, you miss the point. If God created man, man would not be the center of “the universe”. God would. That is what was meant by that statement, the understanding that we are not the epitome of being and our lives on this planet are not the be all end all of our part in this.
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Well duh. I think it is pretty obvious to anyone that if there is a Creator, his Creation is not superior to Him.

THAT was your point? I stand corrected, Captain Obvious.

To get somewhat back on topic, is humankind the pinnacle of that Creation? Subordinate to God, of course, but are we the main purpose? Was the universe created with the goal of having Man live in it? That is how I understood your initial postings. Arguing this is probably pointless now, since you adhere to mainstream Christianity and the answer to those question is, obviously again, “Yes.”

[quote]pookie wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Again, you miss the point. If God created man, man would not be the center of “the universe”. God would. That is what was meant by that statement, the understanding that we are not the epitome of being and our lives on this planet are not the be all end all of our part in this.

Well duh. I think it is pretty obvious to anyone that if there is a Creator, his Creation is not superior to Him.

THAT was your point? I stand corrected, Captain Obvious.

To get somewhat back on topic, is humankind the pinnacle of that Creation? Subordinate to God, of course, but are we the main purpose? Was the universe created with the goal of having Man live in it? That is how I understood your initial postings. Arguing this is probably pointless now, since you adhere to mainstream Christianity and the answer to those question is, obviously again, “Yes.”
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Well, duh…you are the one that made this complicated.

[quote]pookie wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Again, you miss the point. If God created man, man would not be the center of “the universe”. God would. That is what was meant by that statement, the understanding that we are not the epitome of being and our lives on this planet are not the be all end all of our part in this.

Well duh. I think it is pretty obvious to anyone that if there is a Creator, his Creation is not superior to Him.

THAT was your point? I stand corrected, Captain Obvious.

To get somewhat back on topic, is humankind the pinnacle of that Creation? Subordinate to God, of course, but are we the main purpose? Was the universe created with the goal of having Man live in it? That is how I understood your initial postings. Arguing this is probably pointless now, since you adhere to mainstream Christianity and the answer to those question is, obviously again, “Yes.”
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I think i get what your asking. correct me if im wrong. Was man created to have diminion over the universe or was he just an afterthought.

Well god created the earth and everything on it then decided lets make man in are image and give him dominion over the earth. No mention of the universe just the earth. I believe god set up the earth with us in mind we were part of his greater plan. Then adam screwed the rest of us out of perfect everlasting life.

[quote]WORKING wrote:

the theory of neanderthal man is based on twenty eight bones put together from diferrent locations.

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Don’t you know about Carbon 14? Search a little…

[quote]WORKING wrote:
Well god created the earth and everything on it then decided lets make man in are image and give him dominion over the earth. No mention of the universe just the earth. I believe god set up the earth with us in mind we were part of his greater plan. Then adam screwed the rest of us out of perfect everlasting life. [/quote]

What do you think the rest of the universe is for? The universe is estimated to contain around a hundred billion galaxies, each containing up to a trillion stars. We only get this little planet? Maybe that’s why He made the speed of light so low…

[quote]pookie wrote:
We only get this little planet?
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We devour and infest any natural region that can support us until nothing is left. If we can’t even keep from fucking up this one little planet, why would he give us more?

[quote]SprintMachine wrote:
WORKING wrote:

the theory of neanderthal man is based on twenty eight bones put together from diferrent locations.

Don’t you know about Carbon 14? Search a little…[/quote]

What does carbon dating have to do with if there was neanderthal man it shows age not species.

Pookie: the question of the rest of the universe and its purpose is interesting
I have no clue maybe well expand our borders someday. but im just joe average dumbass it will be interesting to find the answers though

[quote]vroom wrote:
Control is an illusion…[/quote]

I think you just blew my mind.

Which translation of the Bible is being used? The story of Creation in the OT is poetic. Have a look at (Bishop) Lowth’s Lectures on the Sacred Poetry of the Hebrews if that interests you (that was late 18th C. and controversial then). It looks at the linguistic and symbolic structuring of Hebrew verse as a whole.

I also mention it because someone posted a William Blake picture in of Leviathan, and Lowth was (probably) an influence on Blak.

But, of course, if someone believes otherwise I can’t change their mind.

Erm, this is in response to the guy who said the Bible was literal. Well, imho, it can contain profound truths and still be symbolic.

If the bible was supposed to be literal it wouldn’t have been written by men…

When is the last time you saw mankind achieve perfection?

Expecting mankind to achieve such perfection is itself an affront due to the amount of hubris that would entail.

Think about it… we’ve “advanced” for thousands of years now, and we are still a screwed up species filled with all manner of faults.

[quote]vroom wrote:
If the bible was supposed to be literal it wouldn’t have been written by men…
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That assumes the Bible’s supposed to be anything at all :wink: I think taking any text (especially those like the Bible) as being literal is always going to be at least slightly dodgy.