Thewannabe's First Cycle

[quote]Whoa! wrote:
Thewannabe wrote:
I am very confused though. My back does not hurt on most exercises, but I am avoiding deadlifts not because they hurt me, bur because I do not want to make an unknown situation worse. My back hurts me on high reps or high weight on the back extension machine. It only hurts me when I do over 20 reps with squats. I could max out and not feel a thing, which is why I am utterly confused. However, I will switch my shoulder and back day and read the recommended articles.

I have a theory that hip muscles (glutes and hams) tend to be fast-twitch dominant, and when they check out it leaves the lower back carrying the brunt of the load. Just a theory of mine.

Another thing you’re probably missing is hip mobility. Should have put that in my first post.[/quote]

Not sure about glutes but hamstrings are mainly fast twich IIRC.

Brook

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
ZRT has a salivary test that is far less expensive.

Dianabol would be a more conservative choice while using the testosterone.

Actually Dianabol aromatizes and Anadrol doesn’t, but Anadrol can wind up aggravating high estrogen conditions for some reason I don’t know.[/quote]

I have been thinking about this a little - and my theory is that while Drol is quite well tolerated when used alone, yet when used with an aromatizing product it can get very messy with estro like sides.

The two previous popular options were that is was a direct estrogen agonist, or that it had progesterogenic activity.

If it was an estrogen then surely it would cause problems when used alone, let alone winstrol actually being a definite help in reducing side effects when used alongside drol in many.

I know that progesterone isnt a cut and dried agonist/antagonist hormone, but it is a decent theory i reckon!

Brook

[quote]Thewannabe wrote:
Another question, since I have both on hand and a predisposition to gyno, which would be better for an AI during the cycle, Adex or Letro?[/quote]

It is suggested Letro has some anti prog activity, so if running drol it may be a bonus.

It is also a good AI all around and i have used it successfully for a while.

However, gyno-wise, any AI (at the effective dose) will inhibit estrogen to a degree that progesterone activity shouldnt cause a problem.

I’d go with letro. I do anyway!

[quote]Thewannabe wrote:
Just updated my cycle just a tad, I want to make sure my PCT will be ok if I use Nolvadex to combant the potential gyno when using Anadrol, and that I have some AI usage in my PCT. Should I wing myself off the AI faster?[/quote]

On many of my cycles i get a little gyno - a trifecta gave me some, which promptly disappeared soon after finishing the cycle, if you dont let it get out of hand, use an AI throughout at a dose relevant to the aromatase in your body and use a SERM post cycle there shouldnt be a problem.

Why is the Nolva being used to ‘combat the gyno from the Anadrol’ - you must take into account all the drugs you are using.

Is this your first cycle?

You mention that if drol/winny causes gyno - then you’ll switch to dbol… well the E2 from that drug in high doses is a real gyno grower when added to test etc… But controlling it may be a little less complicated as you seem to have an issue with the potential sides from drol, and how to combat them.

Brook

You ALSO mention that you only use the winny for the SHBG properties…

well i dont know if you are aware but it is a real benefit to run with drol as it seems to have some kind of anti prog activity.

I once ran the following:

Wk1-10 Test Cypoinate 750mg
Wk1-3 Anadrol 50mg/Winstrol 25mg/day
Wk7-10 Anadrol 50mg/Winstrol 25mg/day
Wk1-10 Letro 0.25ED
Nolva during drol periods.

It was a good cycle - i felt it could have been better, Higher drol/winny dose… frontloaded and ran for 6 weeks total too would have been better IMO.

You seem to think your cycle is as simple as can be but it is far too complicated - more than it needs to be at least. Dont split the oral portions - choose the beginning or end.

There are also other ways to progress other than lifts and volume - and you can hardly add more volume.

I think from the list of drugs available, basically all of them, you have made a bad cycle. It will work, but it could have been better, simpler and more effective.

Brook

Brook