There's a Lot Wrong with Britain

Cockney_Blue · October 27, 2009, 8:29pm

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Here is another example of the British people being betrayed by their government who are playing into the hands of the BNP. It is rank hypocracy to criticise the BNP and claim they are going to be undemocratic while at the same time giving taxpayer funds to an islamist group that wants to turn Britain into an islamic dictatorship.

How can any reasonable person justify a nominally democratic government giving funds to a groups whose stated goal is the overthorw of democracy and the imposition of a theocratic state?

http://bnp.org.uk/2009/10/“a-nation-heaping-up-its-own-funeral-pyre”-taxpayers-forced-to-give-money-to-islamist-group-calling-for-destruction-of-britain/

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Doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that this happened in Harringay. I lived in Turnpike Lane for several years when I first moved to London. The Harringay council is possibly the worst run in the country.

Cockney_Blue · October 27, 2009, 8:50pm

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Here is another example of the British people being betrayed by their government

Sifu, what is this government getting out of this posted example?

[/quote]

Nothing, Harringay Council is a total fuck up, if you remember the Baby Climbie story being all over the news, that was Harringay.

The council basically bankrupted itself by botching a funding decision over Ally Pally and doesn’t have the manpower or money to do anything right. At one point when I lived there they dropped rubbish collections to once a month because they had run out of budget to pay the dustbin men (this was about halfway through the tax year). By contrast, when I moved to Kensington I had a daily rubbish collection. And my council tax was lower.

Alpha_F · October 27, 2009, 9:51pm

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Here is another example of the British people being betrayed by their government

Sifu, what is this government getting out of this posted example?

Nothing, Harringay Council is a total fuck up, if you remember the Baby Climbie story being all over the news, that was Harringay.
[/quote]
Yes, I do remember.

Those people take imbecility to a level of irresponsibility which makes it appear they are being controlled by Satan, having fun with humans.

By the way, speaking of the devil, it was on the evening local news last week ( I went away so I couldn’t post then ) that council states where there are gun gangs are now going to be patrolled by the same branch of the police that guards Bliar and the American Embassy with the same Heckler Koch MP5 submachine guns.
They actually showed footage of the officers and their “Hello Kitties” in their handling gun position walking around the building. So I remembered you and the case you made on Britain not needing/wanting to change the law on guns.

This could be the beginning of change…

Cockney_Blue · October 28, 2009, 2:02am

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Here is another example of the British people being betrayed by their government

Sifu, what is this government getting out of this posted example?

Nothing, Harringay Council is a total fuck up, if you remember the Baby Climbie story being all over the news, that was Harringay.

Yes, I do remember.

Those people take imbecility to a level of irresponsibility which makes it appear they are being controlled by Satan, having fun with humans.

By the way, speaking of the devil, it was on the evening local news last week ( I went away so I couldn’t post then ) that council states where there are gun gangs are now going to be patrolled by the same branch of the police that guards Bliar and the American Embassy with the same Heckler Koch MP5 submachine guns.
They actually showed footage of the officers and their “Hello Kitties” in their handling gun position walking around the building. So I remembered you and the case you made on Britain not needing/wanting to change the law on guns.

This could be the beginning of change…

[/quote]

Not really any big change, that department has always been responsible for armed response. There have been armed officers on the streets in these areas for years it just hasn’t been heavily publicised.

Each time I am back in the UK I notice more armed police out and about. Not really surprising but a shame in my opinion.

I’m sure Sifu will see it as Labour getting their storm troopers out on the street ready to gun down the plebs if they step out of line.

Sifu · October 29, 2009, 1:08am

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Here is another example of the British people being betrayed by their government

Sifu, what is this government getting out of this posted example?

[/quote]

It is pandering to the muslims so they can get their vote. Also Britain has some extreme radicals who have actually managed to get voted into positions of power. The problem is they don’t have a good understanding of islam and believe they can control them. What they are doing is playing with fire and a lot of people are going to get burned because of it.

Sifu · October 29, 2009, 1:14am

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Here is another example of the British people being betrayed by their government

Sifu, what is this government getting out of this posted example?

Nothing, Harringay Council is a total fuck up, if you remember the Baby Climbie story being all over the news, that was Harringay.

Yes, I do remember.

Those people take imbecility to a level of irresponsibility which makes it appear they are being controlled by Satan, having fun with humans.

By the way, speaking of the devil, it was on the evening local news last week ( I went away so I couldn’t post then ) that council states where there are gun gangs are now going to be patrolled by the same branch of the police that guards Bliar and the American Embassy with the same Heckler Koch MP5 submachine guns.
They actually showed footage of the officers and their “Hello Kitties” in their handling gun position walking around the building. So I remembered you and the case you made on Britain not needing/wanting to change the law on guns.

This could be the beginning of change…

[/quote]

They will have limited impact because the criminals know to post lookouts and they can alsways move to safer areas. But it does show where the country is heading. The government will do everything it can to maintain and expand it’s monopoly on power.

Sifu · October 29, 2009, 1:21am

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Here is another example of the British people being betrayed by their government

Sifu, what is this government getting out of this posted example?

Nothing, Harringay Council is a total fuck up, if you remember the Baby Climbie story being all over the news, that was Harringay.

Yes, I do remember.

Those people take imbecility to a level of irresponsibility which makes it appear they are being controlled by Satan, having fun with humans.

By the way, speaking of the devil, it was on the evening local news last week ( I went away so I couldn’t post then ) that council states where there are gun gangs are now going to be patrolled by the same branch of the police that guards Bliar and the American Embassy with the same Heckler Koch MP5 submachine guns.
They actually showed footage of the officers and their “Hello Kitties” in their handling gun position walking around the building. So I remembered you and the case you made on Britain not needing/wanting to change the law on guns.

This could be the beginning of change…

Not really any big change, that department has always been responsible for armed response. There have been armed officers on the streets in these areas for years it just hasn’t been heavily publicised.

Each time I am back in the UK I notice more armed police out and about. Not really surprising but a shame in my opinion.

I’m sure Sifu will see it as Labour getting their storm troopers out on the street ready to gun down the plebs if they step out of line.[/quote]

It is a cause and effect relationship that occurs with gun control. Once the people are prevented from maintaining law and order in their community crime goes up which then creates an excuse for the government to send in the troops to crack down on the crime wave it has created.

That is why the American founding fathers wrote the second amendment. So the government can’t manufacture a crisis that requires it self to send in armed personnel and crack down on civil liberties to deal with the problem they have created.

PRCalDude · October 29, 2009, 2:47am

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Sifu wrote:

In general people in Europe want lavish social services along with employment and work rules that go way beyond what most countries do for people. They are clinging to an old paradigm where Europe and the US represented the developed who could produce manufactured goods and that was it.

Exactly. I have noticed that.
This model of “First World x Third World” is a political illusion.

[/quote]

There is no “first world x third world” in their model. They intend to replace you with third worlders.

PRCalDude · October 29, 2009, 2:49am

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Here is another example of the British people being betrayed by their government

Sifu, what is this government getting out of this posted example?

Nothing, Harringay Council is a total fuck up, if you remember the Baby Climbie story being all over the news, that was Harringay.

Yes, I do remember.

Those people take imbecility to a level of irresponsibility which makes it appear they are being controlled by Satan, having fun with humans.

By the way, speaking of the devil, it was on the evening local news last week ( I went away so I couldn’t post then ) that council states where there are gun gangs are now going to be patrolled by the same branch of the police that guards Bliar and the American Embassy with the same Heckler Koch MP5 submachine guns.
They actually showed footage of the officers and their “Hello Kitties” in their handling gun position walking around the building. So I remembered you and the case you made on Britain not needing/wanting to change the law on guns.

This could be the beginning of change…

Not really any big change, that department has always been responsible for armed response. There have been armed officers on the streets in these areas for years it just hasn’t been heavily publicised.

Each time I am back in the UK I notice more armed police out and about. Not really surprising but a shame in my opinion.

[/quote]

How do you account for that, C_B - the increase of armed police? Why isn’t it surprising to you?

Cockney_Blue · October 29, 2009, 7:44am

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Here is another example of the British people being betrayed by their government

Sifu, what is this government getting out of this posted example?

Nothing, Harringay Council is a total fuck up, if you remember the Baby Climbie story being all over the news, that was Harringay.

Yes, I do remember.

Those people take imbecility to a level of irresponsibility which makes it appear they are being controlled by Satan, having fun with humans.

By the way, speaking of the devil, it was on the evening local news last week ( I went away so I couldn’t post then ) that council states where there are gun gangs are now going to be patrolled by the same branch of the police that guards Bliar and the American Embassy with the same Heckler Koch MP5 submachine guns.
They actually showed footage of the officers and their “Hello Kitties” in their handling gun position walking around the building. So I remembered you and the case you made on Britain not needing/wanting to change the law on guns.

This could be the beginning of change…

Not really any big change, that department has always been responsible for armed response. There have been armed officers on the streets in these areas for years it just hasn’t been heavily publicised.

Each time I am back in the UK I notice more armed police out and about. Not really surprising but a shame in my opinion.

I’m sure Sifu will see it as Labour getting their storm troopers out on the street ready to gun down the plebs if they step out of line.

It is a cause and effect relationship that occurs with gun control. Once the people are prevented from maintaining law and order in their community crime goes up which then creates an excuse for the government to send in the troops to crack down on the crime wave it has created.

That is why the American founding fathers wrote the second amendment. So the government can’t manufacture a crisis that requires it self to send in armed personnel and crack down on civil liberties to deal with the problem they have created. [/quote]

If this is cause and effect, amazing that it has taken 80 years for the effect to follow the cause.

And if this is the cause and effect, why are there more shootings per capita in the US? Surely there should be less.

Cockney_Blue · October 29, 2009, 3:49am

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Here is another example of the British people being betrayed by their government

Sifu, what is this government getting out of this posted example?

Nothing, Harringay Council is a total fuck up, if you remember the Baby Climbie story being all over the news, that was Harringay.

Yes, I do remember.

Those people take imbecility to a level of irresponsibility which makes it appear they are being controlled by Satan, having fun with humans.

By the way, speaking of the devil, it was on the evening local news last week ( I went away so I couldn’t post then ) that council states where there are gun gangs are now going to be patrolled by the same branch of the police that guards Bliar and the American Embassy with the same Heckler Koch MP5 submachine guns.
They actually showed footage of the officers and their “Hello Kitties” in their handling gun position walking around the building. So I remembered you and the case you made on Britain not needing/wanting to change the law on guns.

This could be the beginning of change…

Not really any big change, that department has always been responsible for armed response. There have been armed officers on the streets in these areas for years it just hasn’t been heavily publicised.

Each time I am back in the UK I notice more armed police out and about. Not really surprising but a shame in my opinion.

How do you account for that, C_B - the increase of armed police? Why isn’t it surprising to you? [/quote]

There is an election coming up and the labour party wants to be seen to be being tough on violent crime.

Sloth · October 29, 2009, 3:53am

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
There is an election coming up and the labour party wants to be seen to be being tough on violent crime.[/quote]

Why? Violent crime becoming a big issue for the populace?

Cockney_Blue · October 29, 2009, 4:44am

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
There is an election coming up and the labour party wants to be seen to be being tough on violent crime.

Why? Violent crime becoming a big issue for the populace?[/quote]

No but it is a visual one. The media loves to sensationalise things. They actually did a study where they asked people in various areas of London what they thought the crime rate was in there local area. On average people overestimated crime rates by a ridiculous factor.

Being seen to be tough on crime normally plays well during British elections.

Sifu · October 29, 2009, 9:24pm

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Here is another example of the British people being betrayed by their government

Sifu, what is this government getting out of this posted example?

Nothing, Harringay Council is a total fuck up, if you remember the Baby Climbie story being all over the news, that was Harringay.

Yes, I do remember.

Those people take imbecility to a level of irresponsibility which makes it appear they are being controlled by Satan, having fun with humans.

By the way, speaking of the devil, it was on the evening local news last week ( I went away so I couldn’t post then ) that council states where there are gun gangs are now going to be patrolled by the same branch of the police that guards Bliar and the American Embassy with the same Heckler Koch MP5 submachine guns.
They actually showed footage of the officers and their “Hello Kitties” in their handling gun position walking around the building. So I remembered you and the case you made on Britain not needing/wanting to change the law on guns.

This could be the beginning of change…

Not really any big change, that department has always been responsible for armed response. There have been armed officers on the streets in these areas for years it just hasn’t been heavily publicised.

Each time I am back in the UK I notice more armed police out and about. Not really surprising but a shame in my opinion.

I’m sure Sifu will see it as Labour getting their storm troopers out on the street ready to gun down the plebs if they step out of line.

It is a cause and effect relationship that occurs with gun control. Once the people are prevented from maintaining law and order in their community crime goes up which then creates an excuse for the government to send in the troops to crack down on the crime wave it has created.

That is why the American founding fathers wrote the second amendment. So the government can’t manufacture a crisis that requires it self to send in armed personnel and crack down on civil liberties to deal with the problem they have created.

If this is cause and effect, amazing that it has taken 80 years for the effect to follow the cause. [/quote]

It hasn’t been 80 years since the 1997 gun control act created a free for all. You quite obviously have not been keeping up with the latest news since you have been living in Mexico.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6438601/Gun-crime-doubles-in-a-decade.html

Gun crime doubles in a decade
Gun crime has almost doubled in the last decade despite high profile Government campaigns to tackle the problem.

By Tom Whitehead, Home Affairs Editor
Published: 7:00AM GMT 27 Oct 2009

Offences involving firearms have increased in all but four police areas in England and Wales since 1998, figures obtained by the Tories reveal.

One part of the country has seen the problem increase almost seven fold as the availability of guns, and criminals’ williness to use them rises.

The number of people injured or killed by a gun has also doubled under Labour.

[quote]

And if this is the cause and effect, why are there more shootings per capita in the US? Surely there should be less. [/quote]

Because the US is a different country. Surely you don’t have a clue as to how one society can be different from another if you are going to ask such silly questions. Especially after I have repeatedly given you the answer. The murder rate in the US has been steadily declining for the last 17 years whie in Britain the murder rate has been going up.

Why don’t you ever ask why the murder rate in Mexico is higher than the US?

Cockney_Blue · October 29, 2009, 10:16pm

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Here is another example of the British people being betrayed by their government

Sifu, what is this government getting out of this posted example?

Nothing, Harringay Council is a total fuck up, if you remember the Baby Climbie story being all over the news, that was Harringay.

Yes, I do remember.

Those people take imbecility to a level of irresponsibility which makes it appear they are being controlled by Satan, having fun with humans.

By the way, speaking of the devil, it was on the evening local news last week ( I went away so I couldn’t post then ) that council states where there are gun gangs are now going to be patrolled by the same branch of the police that guards Bliar and the American Embassy with the same Heckler Koch MP5 submachine guns.
They actually showed footage of the officers and their “Hello Kitties” in their handling gun position walking around the building. So I remembered you and the case you made on Britain not needing/wanting to change the law on guns.

This could be the beginning of change…

Not really any big change, that department has always been responsible for armed response. There have been armed officers on the streets in these areas for years it just hasn’t been heavily publicised.

Each time I am back in the UK I notice more armed police out and about. Not really surprising but a shame in my opinion.

I’m sure Sifu will see it as Labour getting their storm troopers out on the street ready to gun down the plebs if they step out of line.

It is a cause and effect relationship that occurs with gun control. Once the people are prevented from maintaining law and order in their community crime goes up which then creates an excuse for the government to send in the troops to crack down on the crime wave it has created.

That is why the American founding fathers wrote the second amendment. So the government can’t manufacture a crisis that requires it self to send in armed personnel and crack down on civil liberties to deal with the problem they have created.

If this is cause and effect, amazing that it has taken 80 years for the effect to follow the cause.

It hasn’t been 80 years since the 1997 gun control act created a free for all. You quite obviously have not been keeping up with the latest news since you have been living in Mexico.

[/quote]

OK read back in this thread to where you last made this point. Then read where I explained that the 97 laws had very little impact and effected a tiny number of people.

[quote]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6438601/Gun-crime-doubles-in-a-decade.html

Gun crime doubles in a decade
Gun crime has almost doubled in the last decade despite high profile Government campaigns to tackle the problem.

By Tom Whitehead, Home Affairs Editor
Published: 7:00AM GMT 27 Oct 2009

Offences involving firearms have increased in all but four police areas in England and Wales since 1998, figures obtained by the Tories reveal.

One part of the country has seen the problem increase almost seven fold as the availability of guns, and criminals’ williness to use them rises.

The number of people injured or killed by a gun has also doubled under Labour.

And if this is the cause and effect, why are there more shootings per capita in the US? Surely there should be less.

Because the US is a different country. Surely you don’t have a clue as to how one society can be different from another if you are going to ask such silly questions. Especially after I have repeatedly given you the answer. The murder rate in the US has been steadily declining for the last 17 years whie in Britain the murder rate has been going up.

Why don’t you ever ask why the murder rate in Mexico is higher than the US? [/quote]

Because I know that the murder rate in Mexico is mainly higher due to US drug policiess.

Alpha_F · October 30, 2009, 8:43am

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Sifu wrote:

In general people in Europe want lavish social services along with employment and work rules that go way beyond what most countries do for people. They are clinging to an old paradigm where Europe and the US represented the developed who could produce manufactured goods and that was it.

Exactly. I have noticed that.
This model of “First World x Third World” is a political illusion.

There is no “first world x third world” in their model. They intend to replace you with third worlders. [/quote]

I failed to understand your meaning.
Who do you mean by ‘you’ that is going to be replaced with ‘third worlders’?

Cockney_Blue · October 30, 2009, 3:12pm

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Sifu wrote:

In general people in Europe want lavish social services along with employment and work rules that go way beyond what most countries do for people. They are clinging to an old paradigm where Europe and the US represented the developed who could produce manufactured goods and that was it.

Exactly. I have noticed that.
This model of “First World x Third World” is a political illusion.

There is no “first world x third world” in their model. They intend to replace you with third worlders.

I failed to understand your meaning.
Who do you mean by ‘you’ that is going to be replaced with ‘third worlders’?[/quote]

People from poor countries, like, you know, Brasil, Mexico, places like that…

Alpha_F · October 30, 2009, 5:26pm

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Sifu wrote:

In general people in Europe want lavish social services along with employment and work rules that go way beyond what most countries do for people. They are clinging to an old paradigm where Europe and the US represented the developed who could produce manufactured goods and that was it.

Exactly. I have noticed that.
This model of “First World x Third World” is a political illusion.

There is no “first world x third world” in their model. They intend to replace you with third worlders.

I failed to understand your meaning.
Who do you mean by ‘you’ that is going to be replaced with ‘third worlders’?

People from poor countries, like, you know, Brasil, Mexico, places like that…[/quote]

lol

I don’t take it personally.

I am not my country.

Sifu · November 4, 2009, 4:06am

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Here is another example of the British people being betrayed by their government

Sifu, what is this government getting out of this posted example?

Nothing, Harringay Council is a total fuck up, if you remember the Baby Climbie story being all over the news, that was Harringay.

Yes, I do remember.

Those people take imbecility to a level of irresponsibility which makes it appear they are being controlled by Satan, having fun with humans.

By the way, speaking of the devil, it was on the evening local news last week ( I went away so I couldn’t post then ) that council states where there are gun gangs are now going to be patrolled by the same branch of the police that guards Bliar and the American Embassy with the same Heckler Koch MP5 submachine guns.
They actually showed footage of the officers and their “Hello Kitties” in their handling gun position walking around the building. So I remembered you and the case you made on Britain not needing/wanting to change the law on guns.

This could be the beginning of change…

Not really any big change, that department has always been responsible for armed response. There have been armed officers on the streets in these areas for years it just hasn’t been heavily publicised.

Each time I am back in the UK I notice more armed police out and about. Not really surprising but a shame in my opinion.

I’m sure Sifu will see it as Labour getting their storm troopers out on the street ready to gun down the plebs if they step out of line.

It is a cause and effect relationship that occurs with gun control. Once the people are prevented from maintaining law and order in their community crime goes up which then creates an excuse for the government to send in the troops to crack down on the crime wave it has created.

That is why the American founding fathers wrote the second amendment. So the government can’t manufacture a crisis that requires it self to send in armed personnel and crack down on civil liberties to deal with the problem they have created.

If this is cause and effect, amazing that it has taken 80 years for the effect to follow the cause.

It hasn’t been 80 years since the 1997 gun control act created a free for all. You quite obviously have not been keeping up with the latest news since you have been living in Mexico.

OK read back in this thread to where you last made this point. Then read where I explained that the 97 laws had very little impact and effected a tiny number of people. [/quote]

Yes we did go over this before and you were full of shit then and you are full of shit now. Before the 97 laws there were people who legally owned firearms and kept them in their homes. Your attempt to spin doctor it into there weren’t a lot of firearms is a load of crap. Criminals don’t do risk assessment studies based upon the statistical probability of their ending up on the wrong end of a gun because they aren’t that smart.

All they knew was that after 1997 the chances of their ending up on the wrong end of a gun while committing a crime had been reduced to ZERO. That is why there was an immedediate increase in the amount of gun crimes committed starting in 1997 and it has been going up ever since.

[quote]
Your argument that because it has been illegal since the twenties to use a firearm for self defense no one in Britain who owned a firearm would use it for self defense is absurd. Maybe you would do nothing to defend yourself or your family but most people are not like you.