There's a Lot Wrong with Britain

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Chushin wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:

I totally agree that the anti terrorism laws are a joke. The first person arrested under them was an old man who stood up and shouted abuse during a labour party conference.

Also the incitement to racial hatred laws are wrong there should be freedom of speach and freedom of the press.

Those are both things that I agree are wrong with Britain. Interestingly a lot of this type of legislation seems to have been copied from US laws.

To which US laws regarding “the incitement to racial hatred” (or lack of “freedom of speach and freedom of the press”) do you refer?.

Title 7 of the Civil rights act 1964

18 U.S.C �??�??�?�§ 2101

18 U.S.C. �??�??�?�§ 245

You do not know what you are talking about.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88-352, 78 Stat. 241, July 2, 1964) was a landmark piece of legislation in the United States that outlawed racial segregation in schools, public places, and employment. Conceived to help African Americans, the bill was amended prior to passage to protect women, and explicitly included white people for the first time. It also created the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

To circumvent limitations on congressional power to enforce the Equal Protection Clause imposed by the Supreme Court in the Civil Rights Cases, the law was passed under the Commerce Clause, which had been interpreted by the courts as a broad grant of congressional power. Once the Act was implemented, its effects were far reaching and had tremendous long-term impacts on the whole country. It prohibited discrimination in public facilities, in government, and in employment, invalidating the Jim Crow laws in the southern U.S. It became illegal to compel segregation of the races in schools, housing, or hiring. Powers given to enforce the bill were initially weak, but were supplemented during later years.

Title VII
Title VII of the Act, codified as Subchapter VI of Chapter 21 of 42 U.S.C. �??�?�§ 2000e [2] et seq., prohibits discrimination by covered employers on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin (see 42 U.S.C. �??�?�§ 2000e-2[21]).

Title VII also prohibits discrimination against an individual because of his or her association with another individual of a particular race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. An employer cannot discriminate against a person because of his interracial association with another, such as by an interracial marriage.[22]

In very narrow defined situations an employer is permitted to discriminate on the basis of a protected trait where the trait is a bona fide occupational qualification reasonably necessary to the normal operation of that particular business or enterprise. To prove the Bona Fide Occupational Qualifications defense, an employer must prove three elements: a direct relationship between sex and the ability to perform the duties of the job, the BFOQ relates to the “essence” or “central mission of the employer’s business,” and there is no less-restrictive or reasonable alternative (Automobile Workers v. Johnson Controls, Inc., 499 U.S. 187 (1991) 111 S.Ct. 1196). The Bona Fide Occupational Qualification exception is an extremely narrow exception to the general prohibition of discrimination based on sex (Dothard v. Rawlinson, 433 U.S. 321 (1977) 97 S.Ct. 2720). An employer or customer’s preference for an individual of a particular religion is not sufficient to establish a Bona Fide Occupational Qualification (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission v. Kamehameha School Ã??Ã?¢?? Bishop Estate, 990 F.2d 458 (9th Cir. 1993)).

Title VII allows for any employer, labor organization, joint labor-management committee, or employment agency to bypass the “unlawful employment practice” for any person involved with the Communist Party of the United States or of any other organization required to register as a Communist-action or Communist-front organization by final order of the Subversive Activities Control Board pursuant to the Subversive Activities Control Act of 1950.[citation needed]

There are partial and whole exceptions to Title VII for four types of employers:

Federal government; (Comment: The proscriptions against employment discrimination under Title VII are now applicable to the federal government under 42 U.S.C. Section 2000e-16)
Native American Tribes
Religious groups performing work connected to the group’s activities, including associated education institutions;
Bona fide nonprofit private membership organizations.
The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) as well as certain state fair employment practices agencies (FEPAs) enforce Title VII (see 42 U.S.C. �??�?�§ 2000e-4[21]). The EEOC and state FEPAs investigate, mediate, and may file lawsuits on behalf of employees. Every state, except Arkansas and Alabama maintains a state FEPA (see EEOC and state FEPA directory ). Title VII also provides that an individual can bring a private lawsuit. An individual must file a complaint of discrimination with the EEOC within 180 days of learning of the discrimination or the individual may lose the right to file a lawsuit. Title VII only applies to employers who employ 15 or more employees for more than 19 weeks in the current or preceding calendar year.[citation needed]

In the late 1970s courts began holding that sexual harassment is also prohibited under the Act. Chrapliwy v. Uniroyal is a notable Title VII case relating to sexual harassment that was decided in favor of the plaintiffs. In 1986 the Supreme Court held in Meritor Savings Bank v. Vinson, 477 U.S. 57 (1986), that sexual harassment is sex discrimination and is prohibited by Title VII. Same-sex sexual harassment has also been held in a unanimous decision written by Justice Scalia to be prohibited by Title VII (Oncale v. Sundowner Offshore Services, Inc., 523 U.S. 75 (1998), 118 S.Ct. 998). Title VII has been supplemented with legislation prohibiting pregnancy, age, and disability discrimination (See Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978, Age Discrimination in Employment Act[23] , Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990).

Again you post a wall of text without understanding it. You must be about 0-100 on facts by now.

Title VII is one of the bits of legislation that is used to prosecute so called hate speech as employers can be prosecuted for tolerating hate speech by their employees.

You posted a couple of numbers with nothing to put them into context with the point that you are trying to make. Then you want to act like we are idiots because we don’t know the relevant case law and know exactly what you are refferring to. That’s bullshit. If you can’t support what you are saying with actual examples don’t waste our time. [/quote]

I was asked a simple question as to which laws. I answered. If you are too dense to do a google search for them then sorry. btw, this line of argument was considered by you to be good enough for push

[quote]Sifu wrote:
The British electorate have proven themselves to be quite capable of disappointing, I wouldn’t bet money on them. ie As much fuss as some make about Labour falling to 14 percent of the vote in the June elections, I can’t understand how they even got that much. The damage that nulabour have done will take generations to to undo.

So one politician makes an ass out of himself. Do you belive that no other parties have had assholes? Here is what the BNP said about him. I don’t support his views and it appears the BNP took care of the matter.

http://bnp.org.uk/index.php?s=Nick+Eriksen

Following on from coverage in newspapers yesterday concerning comments attributed to British National Party London list candidate Nick Eriksen, the BNP has issued the following statement:
Nick Eriksen has this morning withdrawn his candidature from the London Assembly elections.

Under the party list system, popular BNP Councillor Bob Bailey (illustration), deputy leader of the official opposition on Barking and Dagenham council, moves up to take the number two position.

It was felt that no matter how much Nick Eriksenâ??s blog comments, written back in 2005, had been distorted and taken out of the context of a blog which reflected our tough stance on all sorts of crime, they could still be perceived as trivialising the issue in a manner that many women in particular could have found extremely offensive. As such it was agreed that there should not be any ambiguity with regards real crimes against real women in our capital city by somebody about to enter government. British National Party members elected to the Greater London Assembly will campaign relentlessly to rid the city of the criminals that infest it and those responsible for their reign of terror against ordinary Londoners.
Whilst this Party remains committed to free speech it should be understood that with that freedom comes responsibility. Mr. Eriksen has taken responsibility and unlike other politicians faced with similar circumstances has acted swiftly and honourably to resolve this matter.

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One politician? They have a leader who is on record as a holacaust denier, a leading member who has just been suspended from the local council because he made up a stabbing to try and raise hysteria and check out the attached video for an example of their choice in light entertainment.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Chushin wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:

Well at University I shared a house with two guys of Pakistani herritage. One had a Pakistani Father and a British Mother, the other was born in Pakistan. I never saw either of them try to blow anything up and they both were outraged by the 7/7 bombings.

Wow.

Talk about an inane post!

What in the WORLD is the point of this?

Well according to Sifu everyone from Pakistan wants to destroy Britain and hates everything that Britain stands for so surely I should have at least sensed something from them.[/quote]

It isn’t a matter of if everyone is like that. The fact is that the majority of the people in Pakistan want to live in a society that is totally at odds with liberal western society. If enough of them are allowed into western countries they are a threat to thae western way of life.

They should show that they are ready to live in a liberal western democracy by turning their homeland into a liberal society. By choosing not to do it they are showing that they don’t want to live in a liberal society they are only there for the money and to change the country into another islamist state like theirs.

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
OK Sifu, money where your mouth is time.

As you are so sure that the BNP are the future of Great Britain how about a good sporting wager?

$100 (US) says that there will be no BNP MPs elected at the next General Election in the UK.

Everyone on here can be witness to this. We can settle the bet through paypal or by buying $100 of product from this website, whatever is easier.

So what do you think? Do you have the courage of your convictions?

Hey CockadoodleMexicanBlue, since you’re in the wagering mood let’s do this. Without resorting to Google (or any other search engine or research outlet) let’s choose two towns in the United Gun-Totin’ States of America…oh let’s go with Kennesaw, Georgia (Population: 21,675) and Morton Grove, Illinois (Population: 22,451). Each town is a suburb of the largest city in their respective states. Kennesaw has a city ordinance requiring gun ownership and Morton Grove has one prohibiting it.

Let’s make a bet that Kennesaw’s violent crime rate is lower than Morton Grove’s. Whadda ya say, bloke? Wanna go for it?

Edit: In all fairness you stated you don’t think gun crime and gun control go hand in had. However, that position flies in the face of your animus for gun owners and the freedom to own these dastardly weapons of mass destruction. More Cocky paradoxes, I guess.

Your faux concerns for gun safety are a joke as well. The disparity between gun accident numbers and crimes prevented by guns is astronomical.

Other than philosophically based around the wording ‘shall not be infringed’, do you have any real issue with licensing as a way of ensuring that people are trained on safe gun ownership?

I do. 1) it is a right, which is not the same as a privilege. You have a right to free speech under the 1st amendment. Would you support licensing of that right only to citizens who prove they are sufficiently intelligent to make sense when speaking?
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There are times where that doesn’t seem such a bad idea but that is where we diverge I guess. I don’t see gun owership as a right. You do. We are unlikely to change each other’s minds on that one.

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2) Rights are only curtailed when you have infringed on someone else’s rights (commited a crime), or have proven yourself a danger to yourself and others, not the other way around. People have a responsibility for themselves. If you don’t take that responsibility seriously, you get punished by incarceration or revoking of certain freedoms, but it is not appropriate to assume people are irresponsible unless they already have a track record. We are innocent until proven guilty.
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Second part I see no issue with. The argument would be at what point you infringe other people’s rights by carrying a gun around.

[quote]300andabove wrote:
Cockney i’ll do it, hell raise it to whatever you want.

I 100% personally GUARENTEE there WILL be a BNP person in parliment after the next election.

Obviously you don’t live where i live or you would know what is happening.

PS: People are FED UP with everyone coming here and calling it home ! English are becoming a freaking minority in their OWN country !

F*CK THAT

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OK Sifu, last chance to prove you believe what you are typing or I am taking this dudes money instead!

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Chushin wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
What a retarded thing to post. I really couldn’t care less where someone’s family is from originally I treat people as I find them and I find you to be an idiot.

What is retarded is people like you running a government and not caring where people they let into the country come from. That is why Britain now is under the threat of muslim bomb attacks. The threat of terrorist atacks is used by the government as an excuse to severely curtail civil liberties and destroy centuries of established legal tradition.

In Pakistan there is widespread hatred of the British. In Pakistan the 7/7 London bombers are national heroes with millions of people visiting their gravesites to pay homage. Allowing more Pakistanis into the country only adds to the problem. Instead of allowing more in they need to be getting them out so the threat is diminished and to make it easier to monitor what remains.

Well at University I shared a house with two guys of Pakistani herritage. One had a Pakistani Father and a British Mother, the other was born in Pakistan. I never saw either of them try to blow anything up and they both were outraged by the 7/7 bombings.

Nobody in their right mind would consider Pakistan a liberal non belligerant society. The state of their own society in their homeland is highly indicative of what Britain will become like if they ever beccome the dominant group there.

Right before they flew airplanes into the world trade center a bunch of the 9/11 terrorists were going out to strip clubs and getting drunk. The moral of the story is they can act perfectly normal and westernized in order to hide their true beliefs. That is something they learned from mohammad.

So you and your tin foil hat legitimately believe that two of my old Uni mates are 1 step away from breaking out the suicide bombs just because they come from Pakistan? You are a racist, bigot. [/quote]

I don’t know what they are one step away from. I am certain however that the student doctors who drove a burning SUV into Glasgow airport didn’t think they were one step away from doing what they did. Because after all they were doctors. Who the hell would expect doctors to do something like that?

Fuck you and your racist remark. Just because I don’t want my family to end up in an Islamist state doesn’t make me a racist. Islam is not a race it is an ideology. Calling people who don’t agree with your fantasy of islam racists is a typical tactic for you Guardianita bitches. You do it because you can’t dispute the facts of islam’s history.

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But I asked you what should be done about all of the legal immigrants and your response was ‘send them home’ I actually asked you twice just to be clear on it. Now you are dick tucking and squirming like you usually do. Next thing will be a wall of text post linking stories from the Daily Mail, the other thing you do when you are backed into a corner.

You act like there is something wrong with people deciding who they want to allow in their home. It is little wonder why you have such difficulty seeing anything wrong with home invasion.

The Labour governments immigration policy is no different to an unsupervised teenager posting on Facebook or Beobo, “my parents are out of town, I’m having a party, everyone is welcome here is our address” and just letting shit get out of hand. Your attitude is if Mummy and Daddy come home and find their home invaded and getting trashed it would be wrong for them to reassert some adult authority over their home and tell everyone who is wrecking their home “the party’s over, get the fuck out of my house”.

So still no answer to the question of who to send home or how and a thrown in straw man claim that I don’t see anything wrong with home invasion.

Yes I have answered the question, read my other posts.

All you have said is send them home, no mention of how, who pays etc. The cost to just send the Illegals back has been estimated at over 12 billion sterling, where does that come from?[/quote]

Here is an idea. Britain gives away 9 billion pounds a year in foreign aid and the tory’s want to raise the give away to 16 billion pounds a year. They could use the foreign aid budget, and savings on welfare payments that would result from getting immigrants off of the dole and freeing up the British job market so British dole recipients can get jobs.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
The British electorate have proven themselves to be quite capable of disappointing, I wouldn’t bet money on them. ie As much fuss as some make about Labour falling to 14 percent of the vote in the June elections, I can’t understand how they even got that much. The damage that nulabour have done will take generations to to undo.

So one politician makes an ass out of himself. Do you belive that no other parties have had assholes? Here is what the BNP said about him. I don’t support his views and it appears the BNP took care of the matter.

http://bnp.org.uk/index.php?s=Nick+Eriksen

Following on from coverage in newspapers yesterday concerning comments attributed to British National Party London list candidate Nick Eriksen, the BNP has issued the following statement:
Nick Eriksen has this morning withdrawn his candidature from the London Assembly elections.

Under the party list system, popular BNP Councillor Bob Bailey (illustration), deputy leader of the official opposition on Barking and Dagenham council, moves up to take the number two position.

It was felt that no matter how much Nick Eriksen�¢??s blog comments, written back in 2005, had been distorted and taken out of the context of a blog which reflected our tough stance on all sorts of crime, they could still be perceived as trivialising the issue in a manner that many women in particular could have found extremely offensive. As such it was agreed that there should not be any ambiguity with regards real crimes against real women in our capital city by somebody about to enter government. British National Party members elected to the Greater London Assembly will campaign relentlessly to rid the city of the criminals that infest it and those responsible for their reign of terror against ordinary Londoners.
Whilst this Party remains committed to free speech it should be understood that with that freedom comes responsibility. Mr. Eriksen has taken responsibility and unlike other politicians faced with similar circumstances has acted swiftly and honourably to resolve this matter.

One politician? They have a leader who is on record as a holacaust denier, a leading member who has just been suspended from the local council because he made up a stabbing to try and raise hysteria and check out the attached video for an example of their choice in light entertainment.

You and others have been using that same line of attack since before the election. It failed to stop Griffin from getting elected then and it is still not working.

Who made up a stabbing? What about members of parliament making millions of pounds in false expense claims while denying soldiers in Afghanistan proper equipment which has resulted in a lot of good men dying. How can you compare a supposed made up stabbing to real men dying?

Wow! You have a video interview of Nick Griffin that has a tape recording of god knows who spliced on at the end. I don’t recognize any of those voices, who are they?

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
300andabove wrote:
Cockney i’ll do it, hell raise it to whatever you want.

I 100% personally GUARENTEE there WILL be a BNP person in parliment after the next election.

Obviously you don’t live where i live or you would know what is happening.

PS: People are FED UP with everyone coming here and calling it home ! English are becoming a freaking minority in their OWN country !

F*CK THAT

OK Sifu, last chance to prove you believe what you are typing or I am taking this dudes money instead![/quote]

Go for it Cock. I will give you this warning however. David Cameron has stated that he s going to reduce the number of MP’s. It sounds to me like he’s laying the groundwork to take advantage of the redistricting to engage in some good old fashioned gerry mandering and use that to kick BNP MP’s out of parliament.

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
The British electorate have proven themselves to be quite capable of disappointing, I wouldn’t bet money on them. ie As much fuss as some make about Labour falling to 14 percent of the vote in the June elections, I can’t understand how they even got that much. The damage that nulabour have done will take generations to to undo.

So one politician makes an ass out of himself. Do you belive that no other parties have had assholes? Here is what the BNP said about him. I don’t support his views and it appears the BNP took care of the matter.

http://bnp.org.uk/index.php?s=Nick+Eriksen

Following on from coverage in newspapers yesterday concerning comments attributed to British National Party London list candidate Nick Eriksen, the BNP has issued the following statement:
Nick Eriksen has this morning withdrawn his candidature from the London Assembly elections.

Under the party list system, popular BNP Councillor Bob Bailey (illustration), deputy leader of the official opposition on Barking and Dagenham council, moves up to take the number two position.

It was felt that no matter how much Nick Eriksen�?�¢??s blog comments, written back in 2005, had been distorted and taken out of the context of a blog which reflected our tough stance on all sorts of crime, they could still be perceived as trivialising the issue in a manner that many women in particular could have found extremely offensive. As such it was agreed that there should not be any ambiguity with regards real crimes against real women in our capital city by somebody about to enter government. British National Party members elected to the Greater London Assembly will campaign relentlessly to rid the city of the criminals that infest it and those responsible for their reign of terror against ordinary Londoners.
Whilst this Party remains committed to free speech it should be understood that with that freedom comes responsibility. Mr. Eriksen has taken responsibility and unlike other politicians faced with similar circumstances has acted swiftly and honourably to resolve this matter.

One politician? They have a leader who is on record as a holacaust denier, a leading member who has just been suspended from the local council because he made up a stabbing to try and raise hysteria and check out the attached video for an example of their choice in light entertainment.

You and others have been using that same line of attack since before the election. It failed to stop Griffin from getting elected then and it is still not working.

Who made up a stabbing? What about members of parliament making millions of pounds in false expense claims while denying soldiers in Afghanistan proper equipment which has resulted in a lot of good men dying. How can you compare a supposed made up stabbing to real men dying?

Wow! You have a video interview of Nick Griffin that has a tape recording of god knows who spliced on at the end. I don’t recognize any of those voices, who are they?[/quote]

Richard Barnbrook

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
300andabove wrote:
Cockney i’ll do it, hell raise it to whatever you want.

I 100% personally GUARENTEE there WILL be a BNP person in parliment after the next election.

Obviously you don’t live where i live or you would know what is happening.

PS: People are FED UP with everyone coming here and calling it home ! English are becoming a freaking minority in their OWN country !

F*CK THAT

OK Sifu, last chance to prove you believe what you are typing or I am taking this dudes money instead!

Go for it Cock. I will give you this warning however. David Cameron has stated that he s going to reduce the number of MP’s. It sounds to me like he’s laying the groundwork to take advantage of the redistricting to engage in some good old fashioned gerry mandering and use that to kick BNP MP’s out of parliament. [/quote]

How can he kick them out? There are none there in the first place.

The only fun now will be finding this thread in 8 mths time. Mind you, it could still be going.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
300andabove wrote:
Cockney i’ll do it, hell raise it to whatever you want.

I 100% personally GUARENTEE there WILL be a BNP person in parliment after the next election.

Obviously you don’t live where i live or you would know what is happening.

PS: People are FED UP with everyone coming here and calling it home ! English are becoming a freaking minority in their OWN country !

F*CK THAT

OK Sifu, last chance to prove you believe what you are typing or I am taking this dudes money instead!

Go for it Cock. I will give you this warning however. David Cameron has stated that he s going to reduce the number of MP’s. It sounds to me like he’s laying the groundwork to take advantage of the redistricting to engage in some good old fashioned gerry mandering and use that to kick BNP MP’s out of parliament.

How can he kick them out? There are none there in the first place.

The only fun now will be finding this thread in 8 mths time. Mind you, it could still be going.[/quote]

Unless we are on There’s a Lot Wrong with Britain 2.0 by then! Cameron has said that he wants to “modernise parliament” by reducing the number of MP’s by a third. That would mean a lot of constituencies would be getting broken up and grafted into others. That would be an opportunity for massive gerry mandering.

I have no doubt that if a couple of constituencies went BNP they would either be the ones to get broken up or they would get massive portions of more “reliable” constituencies grafted on.

Yep look what they did in Northern Ireland, even when the Catholics were outnumbering the Protestants they still managed to get enough of them in to swing the vote.

Cockney seriously you are NOT seeing what people who live in the UK see.

Already there are skin head people popping up and asian nutter groups. Police are ruunning out of ways to deal with all the freaking nutter clerics telling US IN THE UK we are all going to die WHILE GETTING AID FROM THE UK.

We won’t need any 9/11 it’s already starting to pop and crackle over here with all the heat in the air. All it needs now is a spark and there will be mass riots going on.

You have just as much access to info as Sifu I FREAKING LIVE HERE. Right in the middle of North Manchester i think i have a better idea to be quite honest !

[quote]Chushin wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Chushin wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:

I totally agree that the anti terrorism laws are a joke. The first person arrested under them was an old man who stood up and shouted abuse during a labour party conference.

Also the incitement to racial hatred laws are wrong there should be freedom of speach and freedom of the press.

Those are both things that I agree are wrong with Britain. Interestingly a lot of this type of legislation seems to have been copied from US laws.

To which US laws regarding “the incitement to racial hatred” (or lack of “freedom of speach and freedom of the press”) do you refer?.

Title 7 of the Civil rights act 1964

18 U.S.C �??�??�??�??�?�§ 2101

18 U.S.C. �??�??�??�??�?�§ 245

You do not know what you are talking about.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88-352, 78 Stat. 241, July 2, 1964) was a landmark piece of legislation in the United States that outlawed racial segregation in schools, public places, and employment. Conceived to help African Americans, the bill was amended prior to passage to protect women, and explicitly included white people for the first time. It also created the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

To circumvent limitations on congressional power to enforce the Equal Protection Clause imposed by the Supreme Court in the Civil Rights Cases, the law was passed under the Commerce Clause, which had been interpreted by the courts as a broad grant of congressional power. Once the Act was implemented, its effects were far reaching and had tremendous long-term impacts on the whole country. It prohibited discrimination in public facilities, in government, and in employment, invalidating the Jim Crow laws in the southern U.S. It became illegal to compel segregation of the races in schools, housing, or hiring. Powers given to enforce the bill were initially weak, but were supplemented during later years.

Title VII
Title VII of the Act, codified as Subchapter VI of Chapter 21 of 42 U.S.C. �??�??�??�?�§ 2000e [2] et seq., prohibits discrimination by covered employers on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin (see 42 U.S.C. �??�??�??�?�§ 2000e-2[21]).

Title VII also prohibits discrimination against an individual because of his or her association with another individual of a particular race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. An employer cannot discriminate against a person because of his interracial association with another, such as by an interracial marriage.[22]

In very narrow defined situations an employer is permitted to discriminate on the basis of a protected trait where the trait is a bona fide occupational qualification reasonably necessary to the normal operation of that particular business or enterprise. To prove the Bona Fide Occupational Qualifications defense, an employer must prove three elements: a direct relationship between sex and the ability to perform the duties of the job, the BFOQ relates to the “essence” or “central mission of the employer’s business,” and there is no less-restrictive or reasonable alternative (Automobile Workers v. Johnson Controls, Inc., 499 U.S. 187 (1991) 111 S.Ct. 1196). The Bona Fide Occupational Qualification exception is an extremely narrow exception to the general prohibition of discrimination based on sex (Dothard v. Rawlinson, 433 U.S. 321 (1977) 97 S.Ct. 2720). An employer or customer’s preference for an individual of a particular religion is not sufficient to establish a Bona Fide Occupational Qualification (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission v. Kamehameha School Ã???Ã???Ã??Ã?¢?? Bishop Estate, 990 F.2d 458 (9th Cir. 1993)).

Title VII allows for any employer, labor organization, joint labor-management committee, or employment agency to bypass the “unlawful employment practice” for any person involved with the Communist Party of the United States or of any other organization required to register as a Communist-action or Communist-front organization by final order of the Subversive Activities Control Board pursuant to the Subversive Activities Control Act of 1950.[citation needed]

There are partial and whole exceptions to Title VII for four types of employers:

Federal government; (Comment: The proscriptions against employment discrimination under Title VII are now applicable to the federal government under 42 U.S.C. Section 2000e-16)
Native American Tribes
Religious groups performing work connected to the group’s activities, including associated education institutions;
Bona fide nonprofit private membership organizations.
The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) as well as certain state fair employment practices agencies (FEPAs) enforce Title VII (see 42 U.S.C. �??�??�??�?�§ 2000e-4[21]). The EEOC and state FEPAs investigate, mediate, and may file lawsuits on behalf of employees. Every state, except Arkansas and Alabama maintains a state FEPA (see EEOC and state FEPA directory ). Title VII also provides that an individual can bring a private lawsuit. An individual must file a complaint of discrimination with the EEOC within 180 days of learning of the discrimination or the individual may lose the right to file a lawsuit. Title VII only applies to employers who employ 15 or more employees for more than 19 weeks in the current or preceding calendar year.[citation needed]

In the late 1970s courts began holding that sexual harassment is also prohibited under the Act. Chrapliwy v. Uniroyal is a notable Title VII case relating to sexual harassment that was decided in favor of the plaintiffs. In 1986 the Supreme Court held in Meritor Savings Bank v. Vinson, 477 U.S. 57 (1986), that sexual harassment is sex discrimination and is prohibited by Title VII. Same-sex sexual harassment has also been held in a unanimous decision written by Justice Scalia to be prohibited by Title VII (Oncale v. Sundowner Offshore Services, Inc., 523 U.S. 75 (1998), 118 S.Ct. 998). Title VII has been supplemented with legislation prohibiting pregnancy, age, and disability discrimination (See Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978, Age Discrimination in Employment Act[23] , Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990).

Again you post a wall of text without understanding it. You must be about 0-100 on facts by now.

Title VII is one of the bits of legislation that is used to prosecute so called hate speech as employers can be prosecuted for tolerating hate speech by their employees.

You posted a couple of numbers with nothing to put them into context with the point that you are trying to make. Then you want to act like we are idiots because we don’t know the relevant case law and know exactly what you are refferring to. That’s bullshit. If you can’t support what you are saying with actual examples don’t waste our time.

I was asked a simple question as to which laws. I answered. If you are too dense to do a google search for them then sorry. btw, this line of argument was considered by you to be good enough for push

So you are equating a law that is clearly intended to stop workplace discrimination (including by other employees) with whatever British law allows for a woman to be charged for something she said in her own home?[/quote]

Firstly she was in a place of work and secondly I wasn’t equating anything, I was answering a question.

[quote]300andabove wrote:
Yep look what they did in Northern Ireland, even when the Catholics were outnumbering the Protestants they still managed to get enough of them in to swing the vote.

Cockney seriously you are NOT seeing what people who live in the UK see.

Already there are skin head people popping up and asian nutter groups. Police are ruunning out of ways to deal with all the freaking nutter clerics telling US IN THE UK we are all going to die WHILE GETTING AID FROM THE UK.

We won’t need any 9/11 it’s already starting to pop and crackle over here with all the heat in the air. All it needs now is a spark and there will be mass riots going on.

You have just as much access to info as Sifu I FREAKING LIVE HERE. Right in the middle of North Manchester i think i have a better idea to be quite honest ![/quote]

Where abouts in North Manchester? I used to live in Fallowfield so I know all about racial tensions in Manchester from walking through Rusholme during Eid.

If you think the racial tension is anything new just look at the Oldham Riots in 2001 or the Brixton Riots in 1981. Christ, you want to talk rioting in the Manchester area you can go back to the Peterloo riots in 1819.

I don’t want anyone to think that I believe the UK is some kind of utopia of racial harmony however the reason that we have boiling tensions at the moment is far more to do with higher levels of unemployment than anything else.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
hat I believe the UK is some kind of utopia of racial harmony however the reason that we have boiling tensions at the moment is far more to do with higher levels of unemployment than anything else.[/quote]

And what happens when you get high unemployment ??

People vote for extreme right wing parties the BNP !

I vote for them, as the other 2 parties i would rather abstain than vote for, and i won’t do that so BNP gets my vote.

Seriously come home for a week, take a walk around and come back and write BNP will get no members in Parliament.

Good luck with that !

I spent all of last year in the UK so I am not that out of touch (was in London not Manchester)

Are you comfortable voting for the BNP given their links to the European Nazi party, facist terrorist groups and holocaust denial etc? I can fully understand your issues with the Tories and Labour but voting for a total scumbag like Griffen would not be something that I could countenance.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
I spent all of last year in the UK so I am not that out of touch (was in London not Manchester)

Are you comfortable voting for the BNP given their links to the European Nazi party, facist terrorist groups and holocaust denial etc? I can fully understand your issues with the Tories and Labour but voting for a total scumbag like Griffen would not be something that I could countenance.[/quote]

I have met the local BNP MP

He is sound out being right wing is going to draw alot of nut jobs, but for me i’d rather put one of them in than put some fucking wanker who only comes to Manchester during voting week.

It’s not just the un-employed that are voting for them, Manchester is seriously losing it’s identity. So they want what the normal English people want.

Less Johnny Foreigner PLEASE.

As my dad says, i never knew when i sent aid to Somalia, they’d come all the way to the UK to thank me and stay here permanently

Here is some other views i just randomly googled from the BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/tx/bnp.shtml