I don’t disagree that there may be violence. The potential certainly is there…I say bring it.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
No one robbed us of more liberties than W and the last eight years.
Name them, bitch. You go on and on about how fucking great RICO is, and then you pop up with this horse shit. Name the liberties you no longer have.
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The Patriot Act along with the roving wiretapping is an invasion on the liberties of all Americans.
I went on about RICO because it has done a lot of good. Like all acts and measure of Congress, it has to be watched to ensure there aren’t abuses.
The Patriot Act pretty much took the word “abuses” and threw it out the window, allowing every citizen to be a terrorist by definition if the government so chooses.
You are such a fucking alarmist it’s pathetic. He’s not going to take your money and your right to choose a fucking doctor. Nationalized healthcare is never going to happen here, and you fuckin know it.
Keep jerking off to that revolution idea and coming up with crap like this. One day I’m sure someone will believe it.
They are to you. Same as how your “He’s going to steal my money!” are played out to me.
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But now, i believe it’s needed. Something is needed. I do not believe this market will work itself out.
What the fuck are you even talking about. You have no money in the market, you pay dick for taxes. you have no worries in this, so shut the fuck up about what you think needs to be done. [/quote]
Fuckin blow me hillbilly. The economy and the stock markets affect every person in the country. I can say whatever the fuck I want on what the problem is, and whatever the fuck I want on how to fix it.
Your brand of psychotic… fuck, I don’t even know what to call it any more… “politics” is absolutely out of control. You’re delirious at this point, as far as I’m concerned, and have about the same credibility as that dumb cunt that told McCain Obama was an Arab.
If I see another fucking McCain Palin sticker I’m going to get violent and start punching these redneck, trailer trash, toothless, retard, white trash, hillbilly, incest, inbred, hot dog eating, wife beating, PBR drinking, NASCAR watching, filthy house having, gun nut, Jesus freak, racist, stupid, poor, worthless, lower than me, not worthy of living, deserve to die, waste of human life, dumb shit, hicks in their ugly fucking faces!
I HATE THEM SO MUCH!
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
If I see another fucking McCain Palin sticker I’m going to get violent and start punching these redneck, trailer trash, toothless, retard, white trash, hillbilly, incest, inbred, hot dog eating, wife beating, PBR drinking, NASCAR watching, filthy house having, gun nut, Jesus freak, racist, stupid, poor, worthless, lower than me, not worthy of living, deserve to die, waste of human life, dumb shit, hicks in their ugly fucking faces!
I HATE THEM SO MUCH![/quote]
Yeah. What makes me so mad about them is their hateful and angry words.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
You are such a fucking alarmist it’s pathetic. He’s not going to take your money and your right to choose a fucking doctor. Nationalized healthcare is never going to happen here, and you fuckin know it.
Keep jerking off to that revolution idea and coming up with crap like this. One day I’m sure someone will believe it. [/quote]
He’s going to raise the fuck out of my taxes. He’s promised that over and over. If that is not taking my money, please tell me what the fuck it is, then. Unless you want to step in and pay anything over what I paid this year, he IS taking my money. How fucking ignorant can you be to say he’s not going to take any of my money?
Healthcare? I can only pray that you are right on that one. But, he has a nationalized healthcare plan. You do listen to what little Opie says, don’t you?
That’s because you are poor white trash. Of course he won’t raise your taxes and take your money. You don’t make any.
You sure can. And I - as someone who actually has money in the market, pays a more in taxes than you make in a year, and does more to support the economy than three Irish put together - have the right to tell you to sit down and shut the fuck up.
My politics is out of control? I decide to vote against everyone who voted for the bailout, and my politics are out of control?
You are the one with no credibility. You have a shit job (income-wise), pay comparatively no taxes, yet you speak as one with a real life.
Tell me another one, junior.
About Obama and healthcare.
[quote]borrek wrote:
There is always someone to take your place, always. I’ve seen people fired from a job who were the only men around with the kind of knowledge they had. These people thought they were indispensable and had job security, but were fired nonetheless.
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Back in the hay day of telecom we would call these guys “Bearded Sandles”. Mainly becuase they could could show up in with a shaggy beard wearing sandles and shorts while the rest of us were in business casual. In any new or rapid progressing industry these guys often are indespencable but knowledge eventually spreads.
[quote]hankr wrote:
dhickey wrote:
hankr wrote:
Wow. Let’s all just take a deep breathe shall we? Obama is just another pol. So is McCain. Both want to grow gov’t - just in slightly different directions.
Neither will be able to do much, given the severe recession coming next year. Tax receipts will be way down, and maybe, just maybe, we will start living within our means again.
Are you kidding me? When’s the last time we lived within our means? Gov’t living within it’s means does get them campaign donations and it can’t buy votes. Never happen.
There won’t be a dictatorship here. There won’t be riots in the streets. There will be a rough couple of years, and we will sort things out, then the economy will start growing again.
You really need to explain to all of us how the market will grow with the increase in taxes Obama is talking about. It’s bad even you just look at the percentages he is talking about. If you look at what he plans to spend it’s much, much worse.
It’s gonna be OK guys, really. Is it really so hard to believe that those who disagree with you on some points of policy can also be rational human beings who want the best for our country? Maybe they even want the best for you and yours. I know I do, regardless of where we agree or don’t.
As far as the bailout, I doubt that there are 5 people registered on the site that can give a coherent explanation of what is wrong and why the bailout is or is not a good idea.
There are a few more than 5. Maybe you should read some more posts. There are actually some posters here that are very sharp when it comes to economics.
How many of you could explain what a credit default swap is, and what role they played? Do you know why England is about to sue Iceland? Got any idea why the DOW looks like a ping pong ball?
I have learned more about economics than I ever wanted to in the last few weeks, and have read a ton of stuff, but I think I have only a fuzzy grasp of the overall issues. It is a very complex situation.
shit, you’ve been reading for a couple of weeks and you can’t figure it out? no one could possibly know what going on. If you can’t figure it out in a couple of weeks it’s incomprehencable. brilliant.
Bear in mind, even a lot of the experts are not sure what to do. So when I see people pontificating on forums and on TV - esp the “everyman” who most likely knows less than nothing, it is both funny and sad.
The market knows what to do. gov’t intervention can only make thinks much worse. If read any economics or history you would already know this.
(Yes, I know - I’m no different - but at least I have been trying to understand it. Some of the posts above reveal a marked lack of effort to do so.)
I can only suggest you keep reading. Try a book.
I can tell you this with a fair degree of confidence - I reflexively shy away from gov’t manipulation of the markets, but we are WAY WAY past that this time.
We now have entire countries going bankrupt (see Iceland). We need a co-ordinated int’l effort to keep this from turning into something much worse than just another recession. But - that is happening as I type. The summit this weekend looks (at least as of this writing) as if it will produce the beginnings of a solution.
BTW - it (the bailout)has morphed yet again. It is not at all what it was when passed. Now the US will be taking an ownership stake in the banks - at least we will get something for our money this way. Maybe.
Good one. We already own 100% of the largest bank. What has that gotten us?
I am so smart, I even know exactly what you - yes you, the guy that is really upset and angry - should do. Get in a really hard w/out. Have a good meal. Make love with your sweetie. Get up in the am and repeat. Aside from voting, it is all you can do anyway.
Well, it’s definitely all you can do. We’re probably better off if you don’t vote though.
And if someone says something you disagree with, the only possible thing to do is get angry. 
I see the markets are up this am. Rather than respond item by item, I will simply declare you the winner.
And repeat - let’s all just chill. It’s going to be OK.
There is not going to be a revolution. Please, just go to Wal Mart. Can you see those people revolting against anything but higher prices at Taco Bell?
“When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles scream and shout.”
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You seem a bit gun shy. I don’t anyone here that is angry. I am certainly not, my meds take care of that. It’s political discussion. All arguments are welcome but if you present one that is simply week, expect to get called on it. If you’re so sensative maybe you read more posts and then decide if you want to post here.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
You are such a fucking alarmist it’s pathetic. He’s not going to take your money and your right to choose a fucking doctor. Nationalized healthcare is never going to happen here, and you fuckin know it.
[/quote] I guess you haven’t read his economic plan. My tax bracket is going up 3%. Guess what happens when corporations get taxed? That’s right junior more expensive goods and services and another hidden tax on me. Guess what happens when he decides he doesn’t like drilling for oil? Aritificial inflation of oil is a tax on me. Tarrifs, tax on me. Not sure what part of that you don’t understand.
Alright RJ. So I’m guessing you’re in that tax bracket of making over 250k. I doubt you are, because you wouldn’t be living in Shitbox Texas with its ten churches if you did, but I’ll humor you I guess… even though you called me white trash, which is supremely ironic coming from a sheepfucking redneck.
I can’t argue the point with someone who thinks all taxes are evil…it’s just not worth my time.
But I’ll be honest- I don’t have a problem with it. I’m not sure how much of the population makes over 250k a year, but I’ll bet it’s a very small percentage. I’ll also bet that there’s a million more people that make that much in NJ than there is in Texas, but that’s beside the point.
If he wants to raise taxes on the richest in order to give tax breaks to the middle, I say it’s fine with me.
You say I have no credibility, and that’s laughable. You’d better have a better fucking job than a 24 year old who just graduated college… it’d be embarrassing for you if you didn’t. So yes, you can tell me to “shut the fuck up” like the internet badass you are, but it really means shit.
And in the end, honestly, I can also laugh at you and shake my dick in your face, cause I know when my tax break comes next year, it’s coming out of your pocket.
I hope that makes you feel nice. Go Obama.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
<<< If he wants to raise taxes on the richest in order to give tax breaks to the middle, I say it’s fine with me. >>>[/quote]
What part of the upper tax brackets already paying an obscenely disproportionate % of all the taxes is escaping your grasp. The people Obama is stroking for votes pay little or even NO taxes as it is.
Is this really entirely lost on you?
And lest you accuse me of not wanting to be charitable by submitting to legalized robbery I would get the benefit, if it can actually be called that, of Obama’s bullshit. I am one of the people he, though unsuccessfully, is trying to con.
I don’t want somebody else’s money and no self respecting man ever should. I want him and every other socialist babysitter the hell outta my life so I can earn my own.
And by the way, about healthcare- it’s broken. Badly.
I am not for forcing nationalized health care, but there should be a base plan for everyone.
The money is already there. As previously stated, Congress needs to stop blowing it on bullshit and put it towards something that is needed for the country.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Alright RJ. So I’m guessing you’re in that tax bracket of making over 250k. I doubt you are, because you wouldn’t be living in Shitbox Texas with its ten churches if you did, but I’ll humor you I guess… even though you called me white trash, which is supremely ironic coming from a sheepfucking redneck.[/quote]
I don’t really care if you believe me or not.
We have 6 churches.
You are white trash.
I don’t fuck sheep, and I have more education, and more professional experience than you will have in 10 years - if you started now.
Produce he quote where I said all taxes are bad. You can’t because I never said that. NEVER.
And you wonder why I called you a liar?
I really don’t care what you think, or believe. None of your beliefs are based in fact, so there is no point in entertaining the mental masturbations of some white trash punk who thinks his paper route is being “in the print journalism” business.
I know. I already hinted that being poor would allow you to be all in for taking my money for yourself.
I do have a better job than a 24 year-old paper boy. A much better job. In fact, I have two jobs that are much better than yours - mainly because I own them.
[quote]And in the end, honestly, I can also laugh at you and shake my dick in your face, cause I know when my tax break comes next year, it’s coming out of your pocket.
I hope that makes you feel nice. Go Obama.
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And you wonder why I call you white trash?
Well, I guess we all have to be proud of something. Too bad yours is rooted in class envy, and laziness.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
And by the way, about healthcare- it’s broken. Badly.
I am not for forcing nationalized health care, but there should be a base plan for everyone.
The money is already there. As previously stated, Congress needs to stop blowing it on bullshit and put it towards something that is needed for the country.[/quote]
There is. It’s called medicaid. Lots of white trash are on it. You should fit right in.
Healthcare is just fine. My wife just got a new set of store-bought boobs, and she came out of it just fine.
I can see my doctor whenever I want, and he will have my prescriptions delivered to my home.
How is that considered broke?
Hahahah. All class as usual redneck. Keep at it.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Alright RJ. So I’m guessing you’re in that tax bracket of making over 250k. I doubt you are, because you wouldn’t be living in Shitbox Texas with its ten churches if you did, but I’ll humor you I guess… even though you called me white trash, which is supremely ironic coming from a sheepfucking redneck.
I can’t argue the point with someone who thinks all taxes are evil…it’s just not worth my time.
But I’ll be honest- I don’t have a problem with it. I’m not sure how much of the population makes over 250k a year, but I’ll bet it’s a very small percentage. I’ll also bet that there’s a million more people that make that much in NJ than there is in Texas, but that’s beside the point.
If he wants to raise taxes on the richest in order to give tax breaks to the middle, I say it’s fine with me.
You say I have no credibility, and that’s laughable. You’d better have a better fucking job than a 24 year old who just graduated college… it’d be embarrassing for you if you didn’t. So yes, you can tell me to “shut the fuck up” like the internet badass you are, but it really means shit.
And in the end, honestly, I can also laugh at you and shake my dick in your face, cause I know when my tax break comes next year, it’s coming out of your pocket.
I hope that makes you feel nice. Go Obama.
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If you’re going to comment on this why don’t you go read the bill? After your done with that find someone that graduated highschool to explain it to you. You will come to the realization that he intends to send checks to people that pay no taxes. If the right credits are applicable, up to 10k. How is that not buying votes? Why wouldn’t he just call it welfare? Get a fucking clue.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hahahah. All class as usual redneck. Keep at it.[/quote]
Compared to you? I am all class, junior.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
<<< I can’t argue the point with someone who thinks all taxes are evil…it’s just not worth my time.
Produce he quote where I said all taxes are bad. You can’t because I never said that. NEVER.
And you wonder why I called you a liar? >>>[/quote]
This is a classic ploy used by somebody losing an argument. It reminds me of the trillion times somebody’s been told to stop worrying about their BF% if they want to grow and out come the fat phobes talking about how you’re trying to turn somebody into a waddling pig.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Alright RJ. So I’m guessing you’re in that tax bracket of making over 250k. I doubt you are, because you wouldn’t be living in Shitbox Texas with its ten churches if you did, but I’ll humor you I guess… even though you called me white trash, which is supremely ironic coming from a sheepfucking redneck.
I don’t really care if you believe me or not.
We have 6 churches.
You are white trash.
I don’t fuck sheep, and I have more education, and more professional experience than you will have in 10 years - if you started now.
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Well… at least you don’t fuck sheep. Although down there I’m sure one of those six churches would be cool with it. Whatever. I’m not here to judge.
I’m not sorting through your posts.
But you’ve made it clear that you think taxes are bad, and deregulation is the way to go. Don’t take a genius to see that.
Yea yea. Coming from a fucking CPA that’s awesome. At least journalism isn’t the profession that is flamed for being possibly the nerdiest fucking profession in the world.
I bet you were in your school marching band too.
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And you wonder why I call you white trash?
Well, I guess we all have to be proud of something. Too bad yours is rooted in class envy, and laziness. [/quote]
Ugly and bitter is no way to go through life RJ.
I know you can’t help the ugly, but maybe some counseling can help you otherwise.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
If the right credits are applicable, up to 10k. How is that not buying votes? Why wouldn’t he just call it welfare? Get a fucking clue.[/quote]
And this is what saddens me about our country. Political candidates can legally promise to give folks other people’s money if they’re elected, and not end up in jail. How is that not buying votes? It perverts the very foundation of what a Democracy should be.