There Will Be Violence

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
rainjack wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Um…yeah. Unemployment is still comparatively low. Most people have food. Most people have heat. Most people have television. As inept as our government is (and as divisive and polarizing this election is), we’re really not doing too bad. Our standard of living is still high.

There will be no revolution. There will be no widespread riots. A couple extremist malcontents on either side might smash a couple windows. That’s the extent of it.

The notion of a revolution has nothing to do with this presidential election. If Che-Bama wins, I’m sure there will be some pissed off conservatives. If he loses, I am sure that black people in certain areas of the country will be rioting.

The notion of a revolution comes from the systematic raping of the constitution.

McCain is anti-first amendment.

The second amendment is only a shell of its former self

The PATRIOT Act, and the IRS rules that were reinstated as a result of the bailout, RICO laws, War on drugs, etc. have completely eviscerated the 5th amendment.

You have a congress who takes a piss on the constitution every time they pass a spending bill. You have presidents, and presidential candidates fully engaged in wealth redistribution.

I think the last straw for me was the bailout vote. NO ONE wanted this piece of shit bill, but we were told to sit down, shut up, and mind our own business.

Someone tell me how, short of a full blown overthrow, we right the ship, and get back on a proper course for this nation.

Everything you say is true. But as long as people are fed, and clothed, and doing relatively ok, I don’t think most people will care enough to do more than grumble about it and criticize.

Revolutions are ABOUT fundamental principles. But they tend not to happen unless people feel like they’re truly suffering and oppressed. [/quote]

Things weren’t so bad back in the 1770’s, yet men of vision and principle decided to do something about their situation.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Someone tell me how, short of a full blown overthrow, we right the ship, and get back on a proper course for this nation.

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I don’t think it can be righted, anymore. However, other nations will step in and fill the void. But, we’re too busy trying to figure out how to get more of what our neighbor has, via government. We’re going to reverse our historical role, and chase the best and brightest producers of wealth out of this nation, into the arms of those with more economic freedom.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Someone tell me how, short of a full blown overthrow, we right the ship, and get back on a proper course for this nation.

I don’t think it can be righted, anymore. However, other nations will step in and fill the void. But, we’re too busy trying to figure out how to get more of what our neighbor has, via government. We’re going to reverse our historical role, and chase the best and brightest producers of wealth out of this nation, into the arms of those with more economic freedom.

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DO you have a list of these countries? I will leave the second my daughter graduated high school.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:

The notion of a revolution comes from the systematic raping of the constitution.

McCain is anti-first amendment.

The second amendment is only a shell of its former self

The PATRIOT Act, and the IRS rules that were reinstated as a result of the bailout, RICO laws, War on drugs, etc. have completely eviscerated the 5th amendment.

You have a congress who takes a piss on the constitution every time they pass a spending bill. You have presidents, and presidential candidates fully engaged in wealth redistribution.

I think the last straw for me was the bailout vote. NO ONE wanted this piece of shit bill, but we were told to sit down, shut up, and mind our own business.

Someone tell me how, short of a full blown overthrow, we right the ship, and get back on a proper course for this nation.

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I’m not going to argue with this because you have a right to your opinion, and I really don’t disagree with the majority of it.

However, how can you not like the RICO Act? Maybe you guys didn’t have such a problem with it in Texas, but up here that one act is the only thing that has demolished the Mafia. Thank God for it.

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http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/topten.cfm

And, I think we’ll continue to move down that list.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
However, how can you not like the RICO Act? Maybe you guys didn’t have such a problem with it in Texas, but up here that one act is the only thing that has demolished the Mafia. Thank God for it. [/quote]

If you are arrested under a RICO statute, they take all your shit. They effectively prevent you from being able to pay for a competent defense. You are guilty until proven innocent. The mafia is of little concern to me. Constitutional rights are. RICO gives the government the right to ignore your rights.

IF you are against the PATRIOT Act, how in the fuck can you be for RICO?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/topten.cfm

And, I think we’ll continue to move down that list. [/quote]

Ha yeah. Hong Kong? Oops thats actually China. Canada? Socialized health care. Europe? Why go to the place you’re afraid america will turn into?

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out…

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[quote]borrek wrote:
Sloth wrote:
http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/topten.cfm

And, I think we’ll continue to move down that list.
Ha yeah. Hong Kong? Oops thats actually China. Canada? Socialized health care. Europe? Why go to the place you’re afraid america will turn into?

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out…

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Hong Kong has a highly capitalistic economy. What about Canada? It’s ranked lower, so what’s your point? I’m not advocating moving to Canada…And anyways, according to a Cato report, the US government now purchases 46% of all medical care.

Edit: Oh, and that attitude “don’t let the door hit you…” is your own undoing. When the producers of wealth flee this country (some argue they’ve already exported too many jobs overseas), you can tax the few hold outs and the middle-class to death in order to support your rapidly growing population of the unemployed.

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[quote]skaz05 wrote:
You know what? Not only would there be a riot if Obama doesn’t win, but there will be one if he does win, only it won’t be called a riot it will be called a “celebration”.

I fully expect there to be nationwide shenanigans if Obama wins the presidency, by the same people who have threatened to riot if he doesn’t win.

But I really don’t think that any of McCain’s supporters are going to go out and start setting flame to cars because their candidate didn’t win. We all know that McCain’s supporters are all a bunch of morbidly obese, illiterate, lazy, slob, redneck fucktards.

They are all so stupid, the wouldn’t even know how to get up off the couch, go outside, and do anything at all! HA!

McCain supporters are all a bunch of fat, stupid, hicks![/quote]

LOL! Will Obama’s supporters organize a torchlight parade through the streets?

I think that Obama actually will try to solve a lot of our nation’s problems and that will lead to a dictatorship. It must…you can’t order the productive members of a society to destroy themselves and do so gently. People like RJ, Mike, and myself might not take that too kindly.

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Now Obama is going to get into office and set up a Dictatorship.

This shit will never end…

I’ll be glad when this election is over and McCain takes office.

Mufasa

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
skaz05 wrote:
You know what? Not only would there be a riot if Obama doesn’t win, but there will be one if he does win, only it won’t be called a riot it will be called a “celebration”.

I fully expect there to be nationwide shenanigans if Obama wins the presidency, by the same people who have threatened to riot if he doesn’t win.

But I really don’t think that any of McCain’s supporters are going to go out and start setting flame to cars because their candidate didn’t win. We all know that McCain’s supporters are all a bunch of morbidly obese, illiterate, lazy, slob, redneck fucktards.

They are all so stupid, the wouldn’t even know how to get up off the couch, go outside, and do anything at all! HA!

McCain supporters are all a bunch of fat, stupid, hicks!

LOL! Will Obama’s supporters organize a torchlight parade through the streets?

I think that Obama actually will try to solve a lot of our nation’s problems and that will lead to a dictatorship. It must…you can’t order the productive members of a society to destroy themselves and do so gently. People like RJ, Mike, and myself might not take that too kindly.

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Do you guys think there will be any major movements for states to seceed?

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There is something I think we all can agree on.

While Politicians most likely do it all the time, this last “bailout” vote just seemed to show total and absolute disregard for the “Will of the People”.

I don’t think that can be denied.

Mufasa

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If Obama wins a leader will emerge on the other side.

Obama is a radical left winger who has completely and utterly won over the sheep. The media has been a willing participant. The problem is the sheep do a poor job of taking care of themselves.

Obama is going to make Carter look like a great president. The backlash will be substantial.

I own a business and it is sucessful. Under the Obama health and tax plans I am going to get screwed. So are the dozen or so employees I will not be able to afford to keep. Every other business owner I talked within my industry has a similar story.

With a Democratic majority in congress and Obama in the Whitehouse you will not only have greatly restricted freedoms, you will be far worse off then you are now economically. The problem is very few seem able to do the math and actually take the time to consider the implications of what he says.

Pelosi and Obama are the opposite of what this country needs right now but we seem hell bent on succumbing to mass hysteria and fear created by the left.

Will there be violence? If Obama loses yes I can see that in the urban areas. IF he wins will the right riot in the streets? Doubtful but a resistance to socialism will form. Depending on how bad the economic situation gets it could ge violent.

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[quote]skaz05 wrote:
You know what? Not only would there be a riot if Obama doesn’t win, but there will be one if he does win, only it won’t be called a riot it will be called a “celebration”.

I fully expect there to be nationwide shenanigans if Obama wins the presidency, by the same people who have threatened to riot if he doesn’t win.

But I really don’t think that any of McCain’s supporters are going to go out and start setting flame to cars because their candidate didn’t win. We all know that McCain’s supporters are all a bunch of morbidly obese, illiterate, lazy, slob, redneck fucktards.

They are all so stupid, the wouldn’t even know how to get up off the couch, go outside, and do anything at all! HA!

McCain supporters are all a bunch of fat, stupid, hicks![/quote]

Can’t tell if this guy is for real or not.

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hedo:

In my business, I’ve had to look at the two Health Care plans (McCain and Obama) also.

They both have some pluses and minuses; but looking at a few different scenarios, I simply don’t see a fundamental difference between the two plans that could account for having to release a DOZEN employees?

This can’t be argued, though. Businesses have their own circumstances and individual issues. So if Obama’s plan is going to hurt you that much more than McCains, then I definitely can see your concerns.

Question; what are the “greatly reduced freedoms” that will be suffered under Obama? Just curious.

Finally, the issues of our Government go FAR beyond two people (Obama and Pelosi); at its very core our Government is broken.

Mufasa

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There’s going to be violence but I don’t think it will be over this election. People don’t care enough.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
LOL! Will Obama’s supporters organize a torchlight parade through the streets?

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No, I think they will riot no matter what the outcome of the election. It will be L.A. 1992 all over again, only on a nation-wide scale.

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[quote]RebornTN wrote:
skaz05 wrote:
You know what? Not only would there be a riot if Obama doesn’t win, but there will be one if he does win, only it won’t be called a riot it will be called a “celebration”.

I fully expect there to be nationwide shenanigans if Obama wins the presidency, by the same people who have threatened to riot if he doesn’t win.

But I really don’t think that any of McCain’s supporters are going to go out and start setting flame to cars because their candidate didn’t win. We all know that McCain’s supporters are all a bunch of morbidly obese, illiterate, lazy, slob, redneck fucktards.

They are all so stupid, the wouldn’t even know how to get up off the couch, go outside, and do anything at all! HA!

McCain supporters are all a bunch of fat, stupid, hicks!

Can’t tell if this guy is for real or not.[/quote]

What? You mean that you don’t think McCain’s supporters are a bunch of fat, lazy, redneck, sister-fucking hicks?

You’re just scared of black people! ADMIT IT!

You are obviously a racist. Why don’t you go back to your KKK rally and burn some crosses or something. We don’t need you or your 1950s era Jim Crowe bullshit here…

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Wow. Let’s all just take a deep breathe shall we? Obama is just another pol. So is McCain. Both want to grow gov’t - just in slightly different directions.

Neither will be able to do much, given the severe recession coming next year. Tax receipts will be way down, and maybe, just maybe, we will start living within our means again.

There won’t be a dictatorship here. There won’t be riots in the streets. There will be a rough couple of years, and we will sort things out, then the economy will start growing again.

It’s gonna be OK guys, really. Is it really so hard to believe that those who disagree with you on some points of policy can also be rational human beings who want the best for our country? Maybe they even want the best for you and yours. I know I do, regardless of where we agree or don’t.

As far as the bailout, I doubt that there are 5 people registered on the site that can give a coherent explanation of what is wrong and why the bailout is or is not a good idea.

How many of you could explain what a credit default swap is, and what role they played? Do you know why England is about to sue Iceland? Got any idea why the DOW looks like a ping pong ball?

I have learned more about economics than I ever wanted to in the last few weeks, and have read a ton of stuff, but I think I have only a fuzzy grasp of the overall issues. It is a very complex situation.

Bear in mind, even a lot of the experts are not sure what to do. So when I see people pontificating on forums and on TV - esp the “everyman” who most likely knows less than nothing, it is both funny and sad.

(Yes, I know - I’m no different - but at least I have been trying to understand it. Some of the posts above reveal a marked lack of effort to do so.)

I can tell you this with a fair degree of confidence - I reflexively shy away from gov’t manipulation of the markets, but we are WAY WAY past that this time.

We now have entire countries going bankrupt (see Iceland). We need a co-ordinated int’l effort to keep this from turning into something much worse than just another recession. But - that is happening as I type. The summit this weekend looks (at least as of this writing) as if it will produce the beginnings of a solution.

BTW - it (the bailout)has morphed yet again. It is not at all what it was when passed. Now the US will be taking an ownership stake in the banks - at least we will get something for our money this way. Maybe.

I am so smart, I even know exactly what you - yes you, the guy that is really upset and angry - should do. Get in a really hard w/out. Have a good meal. Make love with your sweetie. Get up in the am and repeat. Aside from voting, it is all you can do anyway.

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I’ll be glad when this election is over and McCain takes office.

Mufasa[/quote]

Don’t hold your breath man. I think McCain is going to lose big time. I predict an Obama landslide.

That ought to show all those inbred, pig fucking, toothless, ignorant, racist, backwards ass redneck hickbillies!