The World Wants Obama

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]The Mage wrote:
Ok, back onto the subject. I always find it funny that people are working so hard to make us do something because it makes us popular to other countries.

Oh my gawd, like, we could, like, totally, be like, popular, and stuff, fer sher.

If we vote for Obama, will we become one of the cool kids? Maybe get asked to the prom by the captain of the football team?[/quote]

Consensus and popularity are certainly not a barometer of wisdom or correctness but isolationism is a pipe dream.

America is in debt up to its eye balls, we borrow over 60 billion a month from foreign nations to fund our government, our military is mired and perhaps even over extended and our local economy is almost as worrisome as our trade deficit and energy dependence.

Acting like we are a productive and prosperous nation that is not in deep debt to the rest of the world and at the mercy of opec and other trading partners is just not true.

Of course they need us too and have a vested interest in our economy, politics, and military as well but the trend of nations attempting to limit their exposure to American economy and politics is not a good thing for us.

World opinion aligning against is not a positive thing and acting like this is a political asset for McCain is ridiculous.

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[quote]Heliotrope wrote:

Consensus and popularity are certainly not a barometer of wisdom or correctness but isolationism is a pipe dream.[/quote]

Who wants isolationism? I think that isolationism is a really bad idea.[quote]

America is in debt up to its eye balls, we borrow over 60 billion a month from foreign nations to fund our government, our military is mired and perhaps even over extended and our local economy is almost as worrisome as our trade deficit and energy dependence.[/quote]

Our debt is out of control. That is why we need fiscal responsibility. I live within a budget, so should the government. But the military is not the problem. This “war” has increased the military budget, but not a significantly as many try to make it out to be.

Socialist security and Midicare are the two big boondoggles in the American budget. In fact through their funny math, they are actually hiding as much as 40 trillion in debt through Social Security.

And do not trust the trade deficit numbers, they are quite faulty, and have been for a long time.

We are a productive and prosperous nation. We just have an out of control government debt, which mirrors the out of control personal debt of too many people. It actually isn’t that hard for many people to get that debt under control, if they are willing to get their heads out of their asses.

Once that happens, then the people will start to think the government should do the same thing.

There is a world hate of America. It has nothing to do with anything we do, it has to do with us being the big kids on the block. The big guy is never liked by the smaller guys.[/quote]

World opinion aligning against is not a positive thing and acting like this is a political asset for McCain is ridiculous.[/quote]

Uh, what? When did I say this was a political asset for McCain? I simply don’t think we should be political whores to the rest of the world just to be popular.

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[quote]jawara wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
One point…I don’t give a fuck what the rest of the world thinks They won’t have to live with the cocksucker.

Oh no?

Think again professor.

No really, I don’t give a fuck. I don’t care how many times I think about it, I still won’t give a fuck.

And you probably shouldn’t.

My reply was about not having “to live with the cocksucker”. Because, in case you missed it, whatever “cocksucker” gets into the White House ends up dropping bodies and blowing innocent people to bits (with more or less restraint). What you have to deal with (how much taxes you’ll pay, how many hours they can detain you with the PATRIOT ACT, how many immigrants will be allowed in, etc.) is pretty low on the inconvenience scale compared to what “the rest of the world” has to deal with.

The “think again” was not the sarcastic part. It was dead serious!

If we’re evil, how come we have immigrants?

And gave 48 billion to fight AIDS in Africa? The rest of the world is never going to like us, no matter what we do so why should we do anything for them anymore?[/quote]

What? Most polls in Africa show that they absolutely love us, and Bush too. Remember his trip over there?

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[quote]lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
One point…I don’t give a fuck what the rest of the world thinks They won’t have to live with the cocksucker.

Oh no?

Think again professor.

No really, I don’t give a fuck. I don’t care how many times I think about it, I still won’t give a fuck.

And you probably shouldn’t.

My reply was about not having “to live with the cocksucker”. Because, in case you missed it, whatever “cocksucker” gets into the White House ends up dropping bodies and blowing innocent people to bits (with more or less restraint). What you have to deal with (how much taxes you’ll pay, how many hours they can detain you with the PATRIOT ACT, how many immigrants will be allowed in, etc.) is pretty low on the inconvenience scale compared to what “the rest of the world” has to deal with.

The “think again” was not the sarcastic part. It was dead serious![/quote]

Your jihadist buddies have more blood on their hands they we could imagine. If you don’t like our bombs don’t fuck with us, it’s that simple…You can’t go declare war and then piss and moan about how your enemies react. We weren’t attacked once, but several times. You had to know bombs were going to fly. You don’t like American bombs then don’t fuck with America or our allies. It’s not more complicated than that.

If your blood thirsty, cock sucking, women beating, child raping friends never fucked with us, there would be nary a fire cracker in those regions of which you continue to bitch about.

Lastly, if you didn;t troll the news day in and day out to dig up shit about America, then you wouldn’t even know the place exists. What effect do we have on your daily life that you do not invite upon yourself? None. Just like your murdering buddies you only seek reasons to hate us.

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[quote]pat wrote:
lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
One point…I don’t give a fuck what the rest of the world thinks They won’t have to live with the cocksucker.

Oh no?

Think again professor.

No really, I don’t give a fuck. I don’t care how many times I think about it, I still won’t give a fuck.

And you probably shouldn’t.

My reply was about not having “to live with the cocksucker”. Because, in case you missed it, whatever “cocksucker” gets into the White House ends up dropping bodies and blowing innocent people to bits (with more or less restraint). What you have to deal with (how much taxes you’ll pay, how many hours they can detain you with the PATRIOT ACT, how many immigrants will be allowed in, etc.) is pretty low on the inconvenience scale compared to what “the rest of the world” has to deal with.

The “think again” was not the sarcastic part. It was dead serious!

Your jihadist buddies have more blood on their hands they we could imagine. If you don’t like our bombs don’t fuck with us, it’s that simple…You can’t go declare war and then piss and moan about how your enemies react. We weren’t attacked once, but several times. You had to know bombs were going to fly. You don’t like American bombs then don’t fuck with America or our allies. It’s not more complicated than that.

If your blood thirsty, cock sucking, women beating, child raping friends never fucked with us, there would be nary a fire cracker in those regions of which you continue to bitch about.

Lastly, if you didn;t troll the news day in and day out to dig up shit about America, then you wouldn’t even know the place exists. What effect do we have on your daily life that you do not invite upon yourself? None. Just like your murdering buddies you only seek reasons to hate us.[/quote]

You throw such a reply and dare call me a “troll”?

The poll quoted by the OP was conducted in Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, Egypt, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Kenya, Lebanon, Mexico, Nigeria, Panama, the Philippines, Poland, Russia, Singapore, Turkey, the UAE, Britain. With the exception of Panama, none of those has been bombed or invaded by the US. A lot of them are staunch American allies in case you didn’t notice.

Now that I reread your post, I actually can’t get past your defamatory crap. You’ve just earned yourself a perpetual tag. Congrats!

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[quote]lixy wrote:

You throw such a reply and dare call me a “troll”?
[/quote]
I did not call a troll, I said you troll news to dig shit up about America so you can bitch like a choir girl about it. Troll in this case is a verb. A noun references a person, place, or thing. A verb is action.

No shit and we didn’t bomb and blow to bits innocent civilians there either, but that didn’t stop you from mentioning it

Now that I reread your post, I actually can’t get past your defamatory crap. You’ve just earned yourself a perpetual tag. Congrats![/quote]

Thank God…Can you apply that same tag the rest of the site too?

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[quote]lixy wrote:
The poll quoted by the OP was conducted in Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, Egypt, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Kenya, Lebanon, Mexico, Nigeria, Panama, the Philippines, Poland, Russia, Singapore, Turkey, the UAE, Britain. With the exception of Panama, none of those has been bombed or invaded by the US. A lot of them are staunch American allies in case you didn’t notice.
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Sorry for the Hijack:

17 of the above mentioned countries are also dealing with Muslim insurgents, terrorists, troublemakers, or what ever you want to call them, who have killed more people total than the US armed forces have in the respective countries.

Don’t yap about our govt. killing people when your co-religious are doing their fair share.

-edit, you brought up the US dropping “bodies” whatever the hell that means, not the OP and his article.

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[quote]pat wrote:

Your jihadist buddies have more blood on their hands they we could imagine. If you don’t like our bombs don’t fuck with us, it’s that simple…You can’t go declare war and then piss and moan about how your enemies react. We weren’t attacked once, but several times. You had to know bombs were going to fly. You don’t like American bombs then don’t fuck with America or our allies. It’s not more complicated than that. [/quote]

Didn’t Al Qaeda and Bin Laden attack the US? Does Bin Laden live in Iraq? No, I’m pretty sure he’s at the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. So when did Iraq declar war? The US warned Iraq that they would attack if the UN found nuclear weapons, yet it never did and they still attacked.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

If we’re evil, how come we have immigrants?

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Unless you’re a Native American, you’re an immigrant too.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
The poll quoted by the OP was conducted in Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, Egypt, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Kenya, Lebanon, Mexico, Nigeria, Panama, the Philippines, Poland, Russia, Singapore, Turkey, the UAE, Britain. With the exception of Panama, none of those has been bombed or invaded by the US. A lot of them are staunch American allies in case you didn’t notice.

Sorry for the Hijack:

17 of the above mentioned countries are also dealing with Muslim insurgents, terrorists, troublemakers, or what ever you want to call them, who have killed more people total than the US armed forces have in the respective countries.

Don’t yap about our govt. killing people when your co-religious are doing their fair share.

-edit, you brought up the US dropping “bodies” whatever the hell that means, not the OP and his article.[/quote]

So if American radicals who are now only American in name go out and kill a bunch of people it’d be our fault?

Oh, and a religion =/= a country. A country can control its people, a religion cannot, as it is not unified.

If the Confederacy had attacked Mexico, would it be the Unionss fault at the time?

Get my point?

I don’t think the world should have a say in our politics, but that comparions is just ridiculous.

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[quote]Reef wrote:
<<< Didn’t Al Qaeda and Bin Laden attack the US? Does Bin Laden live in Iraq? No, I’m pretty sure he’s at the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. So when did Iraq declar war? The US warned Iraq that they would attack if the UN found nuclear weapons, yet it never did and they still attacked.
[/quote]

I’ve thought a lot about what you’re saying and the answer keeps coming back as… tough shit. Now we know for sure a Saddam Hussein controlled Iraq will never be a threat to us or our allies. I wasn’t willing to find out if betting the other way was a good idea or not because I do not have the fairy tale romantic view of the world that some do.

That does not mean that I think everything was handled as well as it could have been or that I deny the mess we have there now or further, that I have any fantasies about how it’s all fixed now since the surge.

Hussein had to go. Others will have to go too and I’ll support that as well. This is not a sport. I don’t care about rules or who likes it or not. I’d rather have some irrelevant Canadians and Europeans wailing and whining than risk my country’s security (or yours) to wipe their tears. In fact some days I rather enjoy their wailing and whining. It reminds me of how blessed I was to have been born here.

None of this means I hate people in other countries it just means if given a choice between their favor and my security I vote for the latter every time. And see when you come back and demand that I explain how invading Iraq has enhanced US security it will be evident that you didn’t pay attention when I said that I do not care what you think and owe you no explanation. If I were to give one it would be because I felt like it and tonight I don’t.

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[quote]Reef wrote:
Didn’t Al Qaeda and Bin Laden attack the US? Does Bin Laden live in Iraq? No, I’m pretty sure he’s at the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. So when did Iraq declar war? The US warned Iraq that they would attack if the UN found nuclear weapons, yet it never did and they still attacked.

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Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden did attack the US, hense we are in Afghanistan.

The attack on Iraq was a pre-emptive strike on a nation with potential to pass weapons of mass destruction on to terrorists. It was a policy created by the outgoing administration.

Prior to that I do not believe we invaded a country without provocation of some sort.

Do you think the next administration will continue this policy or disregard it?

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[quote]Reef wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

If we’re evil, how come we have immigrants?

Unless you’re a Native American, you’re an immigrant too. [/quote]

Then he has a valid point.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:

Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden did attack the US, hense we are in Afghanistan.

The attack on Iraq was a pre-emptive strike on a nation with potential to pass weapons of mass destruction on to terrorists. It was a policy created by the outgoing administration.

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(Correct me if I’m wrong) But there was no evidence that Iraq possessed any nuclear arms.

Why not preemptively strike Pakistan instead, since they actually have nuclear capabilities and have a large amount of Al-Qaeda hiding out in the caves?

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Reef wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

If we’re evil, how come we have immigrants?

Unless you’re a Native American, you’re an immigrant too.

Then he has a valid point.[/quote]

well no shit, he obviously meant people coming over now. You know, first generation immigrants?

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Reef wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

If we’re evil, how come we have immigrants?

Unless you’re a Native American, you’re an immigrant too.

Then he has a valid point.[/quote]

I understood it as he implied that he wasn’t one. If he didn’t imply that, then my mistake.

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:
So if American radicals who are now only American in name go out and kill a bunch of people it’d be our fault?

Oh, and a religion =/= a country. A country can control its people, a religion cannot, as it is not unified.
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Yes. It would be our responsiblity to crush the American radicals and stop them from killing people.

You’re the one who always says all religions make people do evil. If religions are not unifying and can not control people, how exactly is this so?

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[quote]Reef wrote:
Why not preemptively strike Pakistan instead, since they actually have nuclear capabilities and have a large amount of Al-Qaeda hiding out in the caves?[/quote]

We are.

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[quote]Reef wrote:

I understood it as he implied that he wasn’t one. If he didn’t imply that, then my mistake.[/quote]

I took it as meaning if the USA is evil why do foreign people come here to live.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Reef wrote:

I understood it as he implied that he wasn’t one. If he didn’t imply that, then my mistake.

I took it as meaning if the USA is evil why do foreign people come here to live.[/quote]

It’s becoming a case of people coming here because the US is a victim of it’s own gullible good will.