This is some seriously fucked up stuff! These Christians for Israel idiots actually believe that the person who’ll broker peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians is the anti-Christ, and that Satan is behind the Muslims. Scariest video I have seen all year.
Got covered today by RawStory.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Delay_US_and_Israel_to_enjoy_0726.html
Watch this. It’ll open your eyes to a bitter reality.
It’s not as scary as believing they can blow up innocent people and be rewarded with 72 virgins.
[quote]doogie wrote:
It’s not as scary as believing they can blow up innocent people and be rewarded with 72 virgins.[/quote]
Somehow it is. A cavemen with rudimentary knowledge of explosives is much less scary than a powerful lobby that’s got significant leverage over the mightiest army the world has ever seen. And oh, did anyone actually elect Ben Laden? Didn’t think so…
[quote]doogie wrote:
It’s not as scary as believing they can blow up innocent people and be rewarded with 72 virgins.[/quote]
Its called brainwashing. If you want to see another real life case, look at Scientology. Those people actually think that there was a dude named Xenu who came here millions of years ago with a fleet of DC-8 aircraft.
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doogie wrote:
It’s not as scary as believing they can blow up innocent people and be rewarded with 72 virgins.
lixy wrote:
Somehow it is. A cavemen with rudimentary knowledge of explosives is much less scary than a powerful lobby that’s got significant leverage over the mightiest army the world has ever seen. And oh, did anyone actually elect Ben Laden? Didn’t think so…[/quote]
Bin Laden wasn’t elected, but he still has millions of moms willing to sacrifice their babies for him. Much scarier than some fairy tale about Satan.
[quote]doogie wrote:
Bin Laden wasn’t elected, but he still has millions of moms willing to sacrifice their babies for him. Much scarier than some fairy tale about Satan.[/quote]
Don’t amalgamate the Palestinian cause with stupid Al-Qaeda. Also, how’s including footage from the Iranian propaganda machine furthering your point.
Go talk to Iranians on the streets of Tehran and see if they agree with the message in the video. As for the “millions of moms”, I dare you to find a single occurrence of a mom that’s proud that her kid died as an Al-Qaeda combatant. Since you claim there are “millions”, surely finding a couple of them should be a very easy task.
Just that we’re clear: Do you support the efforts of “Christians for Israel”? If so, what good do you think will come out of expanding Jewish settlement ever more?
[quote]doogie wrote:
It’s not as scary as believing they can blow up innocent people and be rewarded with 72 virgins.[/quote]
Said the Jewish media…
Christians for Israel is nothing more than a death cult. When Israel is complete (Jerusalem and other cities in the hands of Israel), that will begin the End of Days etc, etc, Christ will come down from the Heavens etc, etc, and there will be a thousand years of Peace bla, bla, bla.
Google Jack Van Impe. He’s a nutter if ever there was one.
lixy, this group does NOT have sway over the mightiest army the world has ever known. Don’t be dumb.
[quote]kroby wrote:
Christians for Israel is nothing more than a death cult. When Israel is complete (Jerusalem and other cities in the hands of Israel), that will begin the End of Days etc, etc, Christ will come down from the Heavens etc, etc, and there will be a thousand years of Peace bla, bla, bla.
Google Jack Van Impe. He’s a nutter if ever there was one.
lixy, this group does NOT have sway over the mightiest army the world has ever known. Don’t be dumb.[/quote]
You must have missed the part were John Hagee was given a triumphal welcome at AIPAC 2007. I’ll skip all the scholarly work on how influential AIPAC is in Washington, because it’ll probably go over your head. Let me just quote the Wiki on clear-cut issues that illustrate the lobby’s importance.
“In 1997, Fortune magazine asked Congressmen to rank the “25 most powerful” lobbying organizations in DC. In 2005, the National Journal did the same. Both times, AIPAC came in 2nd - ahead of, for instance, the AFL-CIO and the NRA, but behind the AARP. In 2001, it came in 4th on the Fortune list.”
You probably also missed Lieberman’s appearance in the video. Let me remind you that Joe was almost gonna become the 2nd most powerful man on the planet in the 2000 elections.
Nothing would make me happier than you proving me wrong, and dispelling my fear that those kooks may have influence on your executive branch and congress.
[quote]kroby wrote:
lixy, this group does NOT have sway over the mightiest army the world has ever known. Don’t be dumb.[/quote]
Its this group COMBINED with AIPAC, ZOA, JINSA, PNAC, AEI, etc, etc… that has sway over the mightiest army the world. I agree “CUFI” is a death cult – so are ALL Zionist organizations.
OUR HIJACKED FOREIGN POLICY
[i]"Zionism is the best advertised of all present Jewish activities and has exerted a greater influence upon world events than the average man realizes. In its more romantic aspects it makes an appeal to Christians as well as to Jews, because there are certain prophecies which are held to concern the return of the Jews to Jerusalem. When this return takes place, certain great events are scheduled to ensue.
Because of this admixture of the “religious” sentiment, it is sometimes difficult for a certain class of people to scrutinize modern Political Zionism. They have been too well propagandized into believing that political Zionism and the “return” promised by the prophets are the same thing. Having succumbed to the initial confusion of mistaking Judah for Israel they have entirely mistaken the ancient writings that relate to these two and have made the tribe of Judah (whence comes the name of Jew) the hub around which all history and humanity swing. Judah was the single tribe with which Israel could not live in peace over 2,000 years ago, and which has the beautiful gift of stirring up the same kind of dissension today. Yet no one ever thought of charging the Ten Tribes of Israel with “anti-Semitism.”
Zionism is challenging the attention of the world today because it is creating a situation out of which many believe the next war will come.
To adopt a phraseology familiar to students of prophecy, it is believed by many students of world affairs that Armageddon will be the direct result of what is now beginning to be manifested in Palestine.
With Zionism as a dream of pious Jews this investigation has nothing to do. With Zionism as a political fact, every government is now compelled to have something to do. It is a bigger question than any other world question, it lies back of all world problems, large or small, national or international, and is rapidly proceeding under cover of many other interests…"[/i]
–Henry Ford, 1921
[quote]lixy wrote:
kroby wrote:
Christians for Israel is nothing more than a death cult. When Israel is complete (Jerusalem and other cities in the hands of Israel), that will begin the End of Days etc, etc, Christ will come down from the Heavens etc, etc, and there will be a thousand years of Peace bla, bla, bla.
Google Jack Van Impe. He’s a nutter if ever there was one.
lixy, this group does NOT have sway over the mightiest army the world has ever known. Don’t be dumb.
You must have missed the part were John Hagee was given a triumphal welcome at AIPAC 2007. I’ll skip all the scholarly work on how influential AIPAC is in Washington, because it’ll probably go over your head. Let me just quote the Wiki on clear-cut issues that illustrate the lobby’s importance.
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Classic lixy. Christians for Israel is not AIPAC. Your whole post is therefore misleading. Did I even mention AIPAC? No. Did you mention it in your original post? No. You spoke of CfI. Sick to your frakkin’ point. Sorry, but you can’t when confronted with your obvious misinterpretation or intentional misdirection is proven WRONG.
As for the going over my head bit… [knee slapping guffaw] you so clever, oh you got me there - I’m just some hick with two teeth wearin’ bib overalls with nary a skill to even use this here computer. yuk, yuk. LOL. You’re a crack up. Positioning yourself as intellectually superior on an internet forum? Ooohh! How… original.
And good job editing out the “has sway over the mightiest army the world has ever known.” I didn’t make that up. You can’t even let your own words stand on their own. You have to babysit them so anyone else can’t call you out on them. That’s a new low, lixy. You don’t even trust your own words. That’s priceless!
[quote]doogie wrote:
It’s not as scary as believing they can blow up innocent people and be rewarded with 72 virgins.[/quote]
Nobody has access to the truth.
Not the mainstream nor the lunatic fringe.
[quote]kroby wrote:
Classic lixy. Christians for Israel is not AIPAC. Your whole post is therefore misleading. Did I even mention AIPAC? No. Did you mention it in your original post? No. You spoke of CfI. Sick to your frakkin’ point. Sorry, but you can’t when confronted with your obvious misinterpretation or intentional misdirection is proven WRONG.[/quote]
I didn’t say they were the same organization. I said that the founder of Christians for Israel is a good buddy with the guys over at AIPAC, and that on their last meeting he was greeted as a hero. Try looking for footage of his entry in AIPAC 2007. They literally give him the red-carpet treatment.
You’re accusing me of stealthily editing posts? What kind of childish thing is that to say? For starters, “have sway over” isn’t a phrasal verb construct that’s in my vocabulary. It sounds gramatically incorrect. I never used it in my whole life. I’m not even sure what it means. I understood what you meant by it from context.
My post history is public. Any post I make is logged and you can access everything on my profile page. Now, I don’t know if edits are logged or not, but I’m confident that’s nothing an admin can’t find out in a couple of clicks. That you would oppose my viewpoints is one thing (Actually, it’s the purpose of this forum). But I will not tolerate baseless accusations of foul play.
You sir, are a moron!
Oh, for Pete’s sake, Lixy, Kroby, both of you. I can’t stand when my friends bicker over semantics.
Lixy, I think I know Kroby better than you do. He is a poet, not a moron. And Kroby, give the guy a break, even if you don’t like him. I’m sure he’d be quite a bit more comfortable arguing in French, Swedish or Arabic. Would you?
Anyway, the expression is “to hold sway.” It means “to exert great influence or power” over something, which is equivalent to the expression that Lixy settled on, “to have significant leverage” over something. Any of these three expressions would be perfectly valid in this discussion.
AIPAC is one of the 25 most powerful lobbying organizations in the United States, with more influence over national policy than the National Rifle Association or the American Federation of Labor.
Whether this translates over to influence, or leverage, or “sway” over the US military is as yet an unproven proposition, but if waging war on Israel’s behalf ever becomes U.S. national policy, than it follows that AIPAC will have probably had a hand in it.
[quote]lixy wrote:
kroby wrote:
Classic lixy. Christians for Israel is not AIPAC. Your whole post is therefore misleading. Did I even mention AIPAC? No. Did you mention it in your original post? No. You spoke of CfI. Sick to your frakkin’ point. Sorry, but you can’t when confronted with your obvious misinterpretation or intentional misdirection is proven WRONG.
I didn’t say they were the same organization. I said that the founder of Christians for Israel is a good buddy with the guys over at AIPAC, and that on their last meeting he was greeted as a hero. Try looking for footage of his entry in AIPAC 2007. They literally give him the red-carpet treatment.[/quote]
What does AIPAC have to do with your original post? Why even mention them?
[quote]And good job editing out the “has sway over the mightiest army the world has ever known.” I didn’t make that up. You can’t even let your own words stand on their own. You have to babysit them so anyone else can’t call you out on them. That’s a new low, lixy. You don’t even trust your own words. That’s priceless!
You’re accusing me of stealthily editing posts? What kind of childish thing is that to say? For starters, “have sway over” isn’t a phrasal verb construct that’s in my vocabulary. It sounds gramatically incorrect. I never used it in my whole life. I’m not even sure what it means. I understood what you meant by it from context.
My post history is public. Any post I make is logged and you can access everything on my profile page. Now, I don’t know if edits are logged or not, but I’m confident that’s nothing an admin can’t find out in a couple of clicks. That you would oppose my viewpoints is one thing (Actually, it’s the purpose of this forum). But I will not tolerate baseless accusations of foul play.
You sir, are a moron![/quote]
Dude. I didn’t make it up. I would never have supposed that a crack-pot death cult would have power over the military. That’s a conspiracy I couldn’t have imagined… and I can imagine some doozies. Why did I mention it? Because it was in your original post. I wish I had quoted it, but alas, I didn’t. No biggie. We both know the truth, don’t we? Just the two of us.
And I am no moron. I have expressed many opinions in such a manner that refutes any supposition that I am stupid or that I have an IQ less than 70. Those are the criteria that distinguish a moron from any regular fool.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Oh, for Pete’s sake, Lixy, Kroby, both of you. I can’t stand when my friends bicker over semantics.
Lixy, I think I know Kroby better than you do. He is a poet, not a moron. And Kroby, give the guy a break, even if you don’t like him. I’m sure he’d be quite a bit more comfortable arguing in French, Swedish or Arabic. Would you?[/quote]
The guy is saying that I altered my posts’ content; I did no such thing!
It’s childish to get into such debate, I know. But it’s also tragic that Kroby wouldn’t assume good faith. I am inflexible when it comes to my principles. I just don’t tolerate accusations like that.
Krobz, had you quoted me, you would have realized your mistake. Try supplementing with Selenium, Manganese and Lithium. They’re good for memory. Staying away from psychotropic drugs helps as well.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
AIPAC is one of the 25 most powerful lobbying organizations in the United States, with more influence over national policy than the National Rifle Association or the American Federation of Labor.
Whether this translates over to influence, or leverage, or “sway” over the US military is as yet an unproven proposition, but if waging war on Israel’s behalf ever becomes U.S. national policy, than it follows that AIPAC will have probably had a hand in it.[/quote]
Actually its been a completely proven fact for years the Israeli/Jewish faction has almost complete sway over our foreign policy and almost unlimited access to the Pentagon.
It was only two days after 9/11, the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) already had Bush’s “war on terror” to-do-list all put together.
http://www.jinsa.org/articles/print.html/documentid/1262
Ironically, the #1 response to 9/11 – invade Iraq.
They Dare to Speak Out
Chapter 5: Penetrating the Defenses at Defense - and State
[i]"…Admiral Thomas Moorer recalls a dramatic example of Israeli lobby power from his days as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. At the time of the 1973 Arab-Israeli war Mordacai Gur, the defense attache’ at the Israeli embassy who later became commander-in-chief of Israeli forces, came to Moorer demanding that the U.S. provide Israel with aircraft equipped with a high technology air-to-surface anti-tank missile called the Maverick. At the time, the U.S. had only one squadron so equipped. Moorer recalls telling Gur:
I can’t let you have those aircraft. We have just one squadron. Besides, we’ve been testifying before the Congress convincing then we need this equipment. If we gave you our only squadron, Congress would raise hell with us.
Moorer looks at me with a steady piercing gaze that must have kept a generation of ensigns trembling in their boots: “And do you know what he said?” Gur told me, “You get us the airplanes; I’ll take care of the Congress.” Moorer pauses, then adds, “And he did.” America’s only squadron with Mavericks went to Israel.
Moorer, speaking in his office in Washington as a senior counselor at the Georgetown University Center for Strategic and International Studies, says he strongly opposed the transfer but was overruled by “political expediency at the presidential level.” He notes President Richard Nixon was then in the throes of Watergate. “But,” he adds,
I’ve never seen a President - I don’t care who he is - stand up to them [the Israelis]. It just boggles the mind.
They always get what they want. The Israelis know what is going on all the time. I got to the point where I wasn’t writing anything down.
If the American people understood what a grip those people have got on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens don’t have any idea what goes on…"[/i]
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Findley_They_Dare_to_Speak_Out_ch_5.htm
[quote]kroby wrote:
What does AIPAC have to do with your original post? Why even mention them? [/quote]
What’s AIPAC gotta do with my Christians for Israel? A lot of common members and more importantly, a common objective.
AIPAC events tend to stay under the radar in American press, but if you vary your sources (that is, turn to the British, Swedish, German, or Israeli media) you’ll quickly see the extent to which CfI and AIPAC are associated. Read this mainstream right wing Israeli paper’s article to better understand how close they are.
Dude. You did make it up. I don’t know what you were on, but you definitely made it up. This issue is a biggie for me. You could spit on me in the street or call me every insult under the sun and I wouldn’t mind so much. However, if you mess with my integrity and call me a liar, cheater or thief, I may easily snap and turn violent. My heart rate jacks up everytime someone accuses me of something I didn’t do. I won’t bore you with the psycho-analytical reason of why I exhibit that behavior. Anyway, let’s get back to what I wrote:
A cavemen with rudimentary knowledge of explosives is much less scary than a powerful lobby that’s got significant leverage over the mightiest army the world has ever seen.
If I understood your previous post correctly, you were accusing me of editing/deleting a “have sway over” bit (which I maintain is not an expression I even knew existed). I did no such thing. According to Varq, both expressions (“[hold] sway over” and “got significant leverage over”) are interchangeable, which would mean that there is absolutely no incentive for me to change anything in the post.
I’ll be expecting excuses.
Technically you’re not. But accusing and sentencing someone without evidence makes you qualify for the colloquial sense of the term.
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Actually its been a completely proven fact for years the Israeli/Jewish faction has almost complete sway over our foreign policy and almost unlimited access to the Pentagon.[/quote]
Yeah, probably. But I still like to believe that a fact cannot be completely proven one way or the other. It’s a rather pedantic skeptical conceit perhaps, but there it is.
Rise up in arms? That’ll be the day. Jesus Christ, most of the American people would have trouble rising up from their armchairs these days.
And rise up against whom? The Nation of Israel? The Zionist Lobby? The Israeli-funded mainstream media jackals who have been pulling the wool over the glazed little piggy eyes of the American public for all these years? Congress? The White House? The Pentagon?
I would like to see the American people rise up in arms against anything, doesn’t matter what. Just to prove that they still can.
And no, a bunch of hoodlums looting Korean liquor stores and electronics outlets in South Central LA as a form of “political protest” doesn’t count.
Okay, here’s a hypothetical question: if, in October of next year, right before the general election, there is another devastating “Islamic terrorist” attack on a major American city, and the President declares a state of emergency, suspends the Constitution, cancels all elections, and issues a series of executive orders giving himself greatly expanded executive powers (including more direct control over the military), then would you imagine that the American people (some of them, at least) would rise up in arms?
Not saying that this is a likely scenario or anything, just a what-if.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
I would like to see the American people rise up in arms against anything, doesn’t matter what. Just to prove that they still can.
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I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Keep posting Varq, it’s nice to see complete sentences and biting humor around here!