No one wants to be the “Jeb Bush” of the family. 
Sorry for my two week absence, I have been chasing electrical gremlins in my Excursion.
twojarslave - First off; I came into a thread and asked some questions. There are many, many areas about guns and things tactical that I need to learn. Second; I might only have one functional arm but I’m far from easily offended and it’s hard to get upset and pissed if some random poster says something I don’t like. Even idiots know something [NOT talking about you!]. Third; this medium has limits and I try to give people the benefit of doubt, but it can run its course ; )
Now I am not excusing my indicated large gaps of knowledge. I can shoot targets and game and fortunately I have never had to use lethal action; I have pulled my Civilian twice but that is where the threat stopped however I had the full intention of using the knife. That is also the limit of my situations were I needed that particular “skill set.”
When asking about the ballistic information, it was more to confirm what I already think I know.
1] Honestly I’m scared they will will take away my ability to defend my family and to hunt. But I’ll ask the doctor when I see him in a few months. My understanding of a prohibited person was those who committed a felony or lost that right because of their choices, law isn’t an area I know much about.
2] That thought never crossed my brain. The fighting gym/gun training where I got my enhanced conceal carry was with a joke. I’ll look into the NRA for pistol and rifle classes.
Ah, idaho you aren’t called dumb by many people are you? = ] I used to always drop the slide with the side release, now I’m in the habit of manually racking the gun as I wake up and put my pants on in the morning. Seriously I thank you, I was baffled by it.
I love how you make it sound so bloody simple. But they call it training, right?
That makes sense, I mean air will slow things down but not change the shape of metal. Even “super sonic” doesn’t change the shape of metals. Here is a slightly related question; are there any negatives to using +P rounds, as long as the firearm can handle the higher pressures? Any drawbacks to using Speer Gold Dot simply because the local agencies here use them?
I only asked because I have a cousin who does this.
Your thoughts truly sync fully with mine.
Did you know George Washington thought having political parties was a bad idea? Willing to wager the idea of a national reciprocity was something he would FULLY support.
Humility is a virtue my man. Being scared at certain times just means you are not dumb. Yet I agree with you though, there are many examples of people who can possess courage. In today’s world I sadly think many, many people fail to own their choices. The virtuous people of the world are oppressed and too many people mock them for who they are. This particular topic could go down a whole, long rabbit hole and it would be off-topic so I’ll stop now ; )
To meet the people who we both agree are courageous would probably be some impressive individuals. I hope there would be many of the same individuals because that would tell me my life experiences aren’t just in my first-world bubble. I hope that makes some semblance sense.
When I lived in Phoenix i carried bear spray because it wasn’t lethal. I was being overly hopeful about my FNH then..
Thank you idaho for your advice, I so wish there was something more I could do for you other than say “thank you” but this is all I have right now. Would it be possible to send you a military care package, please? I finally got a copy of Dune to read and it’s after my emotionally heavy reading that I have now.
Any opinions on having a loaded AR-15 with a redi-mag [60 rounds carried on the rifle] with a scope and a light/laser combination with a pressure trigger switch and the FNH that has the same setup as the AR, all as a self/home defense gun? The FNH sits with the slide open on my nightstand every night. Now I realize that just like everything else, putting rounds were they matter the most is the most critical but is there any holes or additions you would make to the setup? My wife tells me that I am paranoid but she kind of has her head in the sand. I’m trying to help her realize that
As I have said up-thread ^ sows with cubs scare the literal crap out of me.
Again, I was just being super cheap in trying to have multiple uses for a pretty expensive handgun. If I ever go to hunt any grizzles, I’ll buy a gun for that purpose only.
Thank you for the advice and it’s nothing different from what I understand and have heard. Again thank you!
Thank you to everyone who took the time and effort to explain this to me. From twojarslave, idaho, kdjohn, Uncle_Gabby and to boatguy; you were all saying similar things about my questions. A genuine heart felt thank you.
Remember, a firearm is a mechanical device and subject to breaking as much as any tool. Modern firearms are built to withstand the higher pressures of plus P ammo. I qualify with the issued duty ammo, but, train with normal ammo because there is no need to deal with the added pressure on the gun or the added muzzle blast. Plus, unless you are issued plus P the cost is very expensive. You can usually find 9mm on Midway USA for around 19 cents a round, but, Speer, SIG, ect. will cost around 20 to 25 dollars for 25 rounds. Train enough with plus P to know how that hit and save your budget for bulk ammo for range time. Avoid training with anything made in Russia, dirtiest ammo I ever used.
No, I don’t see any drawbacks in Speer ammo, what little I have used performed well. Police departments use the ammo the training staff has decided will be the least to cause problems in court. A lot of times, this is mentality on ammo selection, so, don’t put a lot of faith in a departments decision, the ammo they carry could be the result of getting a cheaper contract from XYZ company. Choose what works best for you and your gun.
Home defense weapons have to be matched to your environment. If you live in an apartment complex ,condo or a inner city neighborhood home with a postage stamp yard, then a 5.56 is not the best choice, because of excessive penetration. A mud hut built with mud bricks and dried goat dung will offer better protection than most modern sheet rock walls. If you live on a large ranch or thickly wooded area, where you are fairly isolated from neighbors, then a longer range option makes sense. You are not in a combat AO, where excessive penetration is not high on the list , but, still taken into effect, especially in villages. You have a high velocity setup, if you are going to stick with it, just evaluate where that bullet is going to go after it leaves the barrel.
You don’t owe me anything. If anything I write helps you in any way that is all that matters. The USO and Wounded Warriors are always looking for donations.
Dune is a very complex book that has different meaning in different stages of your life. Read it at 25, then read it at 35 , you will come away with an different view and meaning. IMHO
Thought for the day:
Training:
range work last week. bands, wheelbarrow loads, loaded carries, typical outside work.
Question of the day:
Do you know what a back country death star is?
made one last week, just something to play around with. IMO, only good on open ground against a mentally deficient rabbit. no good in thick cover and certainly not against a tree. Will not be trading in my slingshot.
here is a video. my advise, watch with the sound off, the guy is really annoying.
Thought for the day:
I think we all could be better at this, I know, I struggle with it.
Training:
landmine presses, katas for movement drills.
Question of the day:
If you have chosen a .12 gauge shotgun for home defense, do you know how your loads perform for penetration? Some information to consider.
Thought for the day:
Honor, respect, personal integrity and courage. The core foundations of your soul. Long life, Marine.
Training: range work and sandbag carries.
Question of the day:
Have you given any thought in investing in an advanced driving course? Learning the basics in evasive maneuvers and skid control will greatly help you chances in avoiding a vehicle accident. Most of us in the states drive everywhere, so, not having the basics in vehicle control is like buying a weapon and then failing to train. This is especially worth considering for teenagers first learning to drive. Your vehicle is nothing but a guided missile, so give some thought in learning how to control it.
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Don’t teens go to empty parking lots and drift around anymore? Shoot, I still do that when I get to ski area parking lots early morning on a pow day haha.
Thought for the day:
“But even monkeys fall from trees from time to time; into each life, a little rain must fall; for every Goliath is born a David; some days you’re the windshield, other days you’re the bug”
Training: Filthy 50.
Question of the day:
When was your last re-certification?
Thought for the day:
Skill with bayonet, rifle, or pistol come more quickly through competition than the repetition of drill." - Quick Training For War, published 1914.
To follow up on this thought, a short clip from the latest tactical games, held in Meridian, Mississippi.
Question of the day:
Checked the air pressure in your spare tire lately?
Re-cert in Feb 2020 (First Aid, CPR & AED). My state requires officers to do an 8 hour re-cert every 2 years.
Thought for the day:
Training: Bodyweight day and laser dry fire drills.
Question of the day:
How many of these do you know how to do? if none, pick two off the list and try to find a partner and learn. You may have to save a life one day.
blanket drag, extremities carry, two-rescuer assist, seat carry, SEAL Team three carry, firefighters carry, Hawes carry and incline drag.
Thought for the day:
Checking on Boatguy . I believe you live in east or middle Tennessee. After the massive tornado that came through Cooksville, Mt.Juliet and Nashville, and left death and destruction in its wake, wanted to know if you and your family are safe.I was in the Nashville area about two weeks ago and I am somewhat familiar with the area. From the news reports, massive damage.
If you are in the area, and on this thread check in.
I assume most of you use a I-Phone or something similar. Down load some type of weather warning app. I have been through three tornadoes in three states and they come on quick. Pre warned in time to reach some type of shelter is about the only means to survive. If you live in the Midwest or Southeast , plan ahead, in trying to make some type of “safe room” or tornado shelter.
If one is coming grab that whistle, best thing for you to be found if trapped under a structure.
All good brother, appreciate the concern. We actually live in southeast TN, right in the TN-GA-AL tri state area. We have friends up that way though, and the wife and I spent all day yesterday helping with rescue and recovery efforts, digging through the piles of debris making sure no one had been missed, alive or dead.
We actually found a cow under one pile, mistook the poor girl for a pile of carpet at first. Another volunteer happened to put his hand on her butt for support as he was reaching to pull some debris off the pile, and I saw her butt clench and tail move. Poor thing had been trapped under that pile for over 30 hours at this point, and was still alive. More people got called over, and we put some serious effort into getting her freed. As she would feel some weight come off she would start struggling a little, but by the time we got her head freed (it had been pinned to the ground by a big piece of metal) it was obvious her neck was broken, along with at least a few ribs. We called one of the sheriff’s deputies over, and he put a bullet behind her ear to put her out of her misery.
Our small group covered a lot of ground, dug through quite a few piles, but didn’t find anyone. People were found here and there, just not by our group - the damage covered quite a bit of real estate. Seeing this type of devastation first hand is completely different from seeing it on TV. Very few of the houses just fell over, they were usually scattered over a good 100 yards or so. Kind of surreal.
Again, thanks for the concern, but we are all good, as are the friends and family we have up that way.
EDIT: Little ‘lesson learned’ from yesterday: if you are ever in the position of going into a disaster area like that to assist with rescue and recovery, a good pair of wire cutters, a lightweight axe, and some kind of pry bar (preferably lightweight, you will be carrying it around) are essential. There seemed to be miles of thin wire everywhere, I couldn’t figure out what it was. One of the other workers finally told me, it is the wire from your dryer vent, you know the flex hose between the dryer and the wall vent? Unravel just one of those and you’ve got about 80 feet of wire.
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Really good news, brother. Glad everyone in your family is ok. Thank you for providing assistance in the search and rescue, I wish I could have helped.
Thanks for sharing that information. I am used to carrying bolt cutters everywhere, but, not a large pair of wire cutters, will add them to my bag. I never knew that about dryer hoses, never even crossed my radar, holy shit, how bizarre.
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Thought for the day:
Training: heavy bag, speed bag, agility drills.
Question of the day:
Go back and read Boatguy’s post. If a tornado strikes your city, town, community or neighborhood, do you have a basic tool kit to help with search and rescue?
Thought for the day: Violence plays no favorites.
This is in no way a criticism of this man’s actions. He did what he thought was right and took action to support his belief. I am not questioning his bravery or commitment to act.
All after action reports (AAR), concerning lethal force, whether it is military, SWAT, Patrol or civilian, offer lessons to be learned for those who deal in violence. No sees everything and most of the time, plans have to change on contact with the enemy, so, AAR’s are important to understand what really happened and plan to not make the same mistakes in the future.
As I stated, no criticism is intended here, thou , I am sure it will come across that way. Let’s look at some lessons here:
A father of two young boys has been shot and killed when he acted as a Good Samaritan and tried to save a woman who had a gun pulled on her in a mall parking lot but ended up being shot by the assailant himself.
The incident occurred on Sunday afternoon at the Deerbrook Mall in Humble, Texas, when officers were alerted to a disturbance in the mall’s parking lot of a man reportedly pulling a gun on a woman he was with.
When officers responded, however, the suspect began to run. Brian Marksberry, who was with his wife and witnessed the altercation, decided he couldn’t stand by and sprang into action.
“‘Somebody’s gotta get this guy’… That’s exactly what he said. ‘Somebody’s gotta get him,’” said Marksberry to his wife before he tried to intervene,
The suspect allegedly took off on foot and Marksberry began chasing him in an effort to aid the police. But when Marksberry caught up with the suspect, the man fired on and hit the father of two.
Officers then began firing on the suspect who had just shot Marksberry, striking him as well.
Marksberry was immediately transported to Kingwood Hospital where both he and the man who shot him later died from the injuries they suffered in the shootout.
Marksberry was a son, a brother, a husband and a father to two young children, just 3 and 8-years-old.
Ok, lets go back and examine this from the outside:
This has all the indications of a domestic. “pulling a gun” on a woman in a mall parking lot with witnesses doesn’t strike me of a well planned armed robbery or kidnapping.
The police were already in route to the call and when arrived, the suspect fled on foot. In cold review, the suspect was running away from both the victim and Marksberry. The immediate threat is over, both victim and Marksberry, his family, and who ever else he was with are now out of the kill zone.
Marksberry witnesses the police arriving and the suspect running away and states “"‘Somebody’s gotta get this guy’… That’s exactly what he said. 'Somebody’s gotta get him
Why? You are on scene, see the police, and you decide to chase an armed suspect. That is the job of the police, they are better trained, armed, and have superior numbers. Were you armed? What were you going to do if you caught him? Disarm and put him in a choke hold? I admire your bravery and commitment, but, both of those do you no good without rational, logical thought. You family was out of the kill zone, that, was you first and only job.
For those reading this: The protection of your family is the number one responsibility when in public. I can think of only a few rare situations where I would chase an armed suspect, unarmed. An active shooter trying to kill my family or who I was responsible for that day (attack, attack, attack), an active shooter trying to kill school children, a terrorist attacking civilians, etc. These are extreme, but, all would be placed in reserve until my children were safe. Like all AAR’s everything looks clearer when the situation is over, learn from this tragedy and think about what you would do if this type of situation develops in front of you.
Question of the day:
You are on scene, what would be your response?
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IMO the proper response should have been to drive home, grab a cold one from the fridge and toss the ball around with the 8 year old in the yard.
The suspect wasn’t obviously intent on harming others with no one around but yourself to stop him. Cops where on the scene, and suspect was fleeing the area. As a citizen your duty is to your family. If you do feel forced to intervene you do so as minimally as possible… Because again, your duty is toward your family (whether they are present or not).
Shitty situation.
I agree. I admire his bravery, but, tactical judgement was lacking and now two children are fatherless. Like you said, shitty situation.