On trigger press. I was trained in the old school blade of the trigger in the centre of your fingertip method. It works ok for me. I’m seeing more and more “high speed” guys (Pat Mac most recently and looking at photos KD4 as well) advocating for stuffing WAY more finger than that onto the trigger. Like, buried to the knuckle/onto the medial phalange kinda more finger. I’m not sure I want to revamp my whole trigger press, especially when it ain’t broke, so to speak. However, I’m always looking to improve. @idaho and others, any experience with this? Thanks in advance.
I was also first trained in the center of fingertip method, but for several years I have been using a lot more finger, in fact, from training with Pat Mac and other instructors. The advantage is you have a lot more control on when the shot breaks. The trigger must come back straight, no deviation, which the center of the finger tip method has a tendency to “curl” inward with novice shooters. It takes a little time to get used to, but once you get it down, you will be amazed on how little trigger control you feel like you have with the center finger tip method. But, and a big but it is, everyone will shoot a little differently, if a center of the finger tip works for you, stay with it.
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Search well and be wise, nor believe that self-willed pride will ever be better than good counsel.”
~ Aeschylus, Ancient Greek Tragedian
I don’t have anything written up this morning, since, I just got in a few hours ago. Storms fucked up air travel this weekend.
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This came up last week in a a place you don’t need to be stranded. I hope everyone here has a full sized spare tire. Donuts and self inflatables are junk.
I’ll add to the question, say you break down, do you know what road you are on and how to identify it? A lot of us civilians are just blindly following gps’s as opposed to observing signs and surroundings. If your phone told you to drive off of a closed bridge, would you?
Great point. Got a call just yesterday from a woman who had put her car in the ditch. She wasn’t hurt and had already been picked up. Thing was, she couldn’t even tell me where her car was because she’d just been following her GPS. Good thing she wasn’t bleeding out in the ditch…
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This makes logical sense to me just from a body mechanics standpoint in terms of how the bones align and move in both positions. I think I’ll give it try. Thanks Brother.
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Merry Christmas to all who are here and especially to our troops overseas, our first responders, doctors, and nurses who work today to watch your 6. Enjoy the day and if you have parents, call them today.
And to keep in the tradition of this thread:
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Same here, and same recent ‘evolution’ of trigger set. Something different though: co-worker of mine was at home, bored, and went to his local gun range/gun shop to kill some time. He saw a notice on the board advertising private lessons with one of the staff for $50/hour (think that was the rate). He said eff it, and ponied up. Picked up a couple good little tidbits, along with helping clean up some minor issues he was having.
This is specific to Glocks, but the guy told him to run his trigger finger along the bottom of the trigger guard on the press. As in, bottom of finger stays in contact with bottom of trigger guard throughout, causing finger position to basically be on the lower tip (just the tip…) of the trigger. I started using that method and it cleaned up my trigger press a bit. I had been throwing left of center a little, and that brought things back toward the center. It’s worth a shot, though it feels very unnatural on pistols with a distinctive curve to the trigger.
Anyway, just goes to show you can learn something in unexpected places. Just cause you’ve never heard of someone doesn’t mean they might not have some good info. And I forget where I heard/read it (might have been on here before, dunno), but if you come out of a private lesson, workshop, course, whatever and you have a few solid nuggets you can implement, then I think you’ve gotten your money’s worth.
Merry Christmas gentlemen
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unusual method, thanks, I will give it a try.
I agree, just because you don’t have a “name” , doesn’t mean you don’t know what you are doing.
Thought for the day: 'If wishes were fishes, we would all cast nets".
Some good, basic rules to live by:
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mountain trail ruck and traditional archery.
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I try to always use the last week of the year evaluating my gear from my personal carry to my ready bag for the vehicle. I have a tendency to collect gear during the year that I really don’t need ( 10 survival knives, really?). Take some time and go over your gear.
I would imagine running the finger along the trigger guard would do two things: one, make the pull slightly lighter since you’re pulling the edge of the lever instead of halfway up, and two, give you a reference point so that you’re always hitting the trigger at the exact same point. I’ve never tried this, but it seems like those could be reasons behind it. I’ve got a Glock 17 myself, will give it a shot too.
Thought for the day:
In just six seconds the shooting was over, authorities said.
“The suspect is deceased, and the threat has stopped thanks to the heroic action of those two parishioners at the church,” Bevering said.
“The two security volunteers saved 242 other parishioners who were in the church,” said Jeff Williams, director of public safety.
I read about this morning and had some thoughts: The two armed parishioners reacted with speed and directed violence, whomever chose them to protect their church got the right two people. Stopping an active shooter in a confined enclosure, took either blind luck or skill and lady luck is not around too much. Think about this: over two hundred people in a confined area and you kill the shooter, without hitting a innocent? Not only skill in weapons but the mental strength to apply deadly force with accurate results.
I am glad this church did what was right. Even though you should be able to enter a place of worship without fear of attack, that is just not the way anymore. Stopping a shooter in 6 seconds? my respect. A church proactive in protecting its flock? my respect.
training the last two days:
heavy bag, speed bag, krav maga and Kali drills.
5 mile walk in a local park
Question of the day:
Is your church prepared for an active shooter?
I haven’t seen it reported anywhere, but watching the video it looks to me like the gentleman in the dark jacket is attempting to draw from concealed when this piece of shit fires at him. Looks like that parishioner is standing with his feet planted, reaching toward his SOB, struggling to clear his clothing for nearly 3 seconds before the gunman gets the shot off.
First off, either way, my hat is off to you Sir for moving to engage the threat. That said, if that is in fact what happened, there is a huge teaching point here in terms of clean draw stroke and lateral movement on the draw. In the absence of cover, I believe these two things are most likely to help you stay alive in a gunfight.
All in all, given the potential, very positive outcome here.
Warrior Poet Society put out a very thorough 12-part series on this exact topic (he made it earlier this year, ya know, after one of the other church shootings happened). The full series is available for free on their main site.
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Thanks for posting this, the Warrior Poet Society is always solid stuff.
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All the best, to all of you.
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Happy New Year mate! Happy New Year everyone
Same to you, brother.
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I agree with this and I have background experience dealing with Iranian intelligence while I was in Iraq. This is serious. Add some extra awareness to you and your family’s movements. I am reposting Krav’ s circle of awareness again.
Training:
loaded carries and sledge hammer swings, handgun drills with laser bullet.
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New Year. Have you checked your vehicle go bag and medical kit?
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It’s the OODA loop, man!