The Supreme Court Fight is On. The Divide Worsens

Who the fuck reads ‘Newsweek’ anymore anyway? Old farts who don’t get technology.
Their readership is literally dying off.

As always, I bow to your wisdom Puff.

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What if you were a painter commissioned to paint a favorable portrait of President Trump.
Do you believe you should be forced to do it? What about by court order, where you could be jailed for non-compliance?

That was never the issue.
Can the baker refuse servicing goods and services normal to the business where cupcakes and baked goods are already made? Of course not.
Can a radical muslim force a baker to make a custom cake celebrating the anaversery of 9/11? Of course not.
It’s not the sale of baked goods at issue, it’s the requirement to force artisans to produce custom goods to celebrate something they oppose.
It’s not just a religious opposition, nobody should be forced to produce custom goods for things they oppose.

That also goes for atheist food artisans who are fored to produce religious imagery they oppose. That doesn’t mean they can deny a Christian from buying a loaf of bread. But they have a right not to make a cake that says ‘Jesus is Lord’ if they don’t want to.

It’s the old ‘your liberty stops when in encroaches on my liberty’ argument.
You may have the liberty to build a pile of rocks. But you do not have the liberty to build a pile of rocks that prevents your neighbor from entering their driveway, even if it’s not on their property.

I would argue that the very enlightened City of Berkeley is one of those bigoted areas.
Bigotry against conservatives is still bigotry.

Jim Crow Laws, hmmm weren’t those Democrats? Why yes, yes they were.

So not being served, in fact being thrown out because of your political orientation is also discrimination also is it not? Or is it ok because they are Republicans and wrong if Democrats?

What about the call for public mobbing and shaming because of political orientation? That ok? It’s not skin color or sexual orientation.
Or is it wrong if done against Democrats and right if done against Republicans?

Nah. I would agree if it were a few decades ago. An old friend of my father was gay. He actually did have to move (to west Hollywood) to find somewhere to live and work in peace with the freedom to be and express who he was.

The current state of things is lacking in both pervasiveness and severity. The Jim Crow era, if I understand it correctly, was a massive institutional and social push to crush African Americans nationwide with no legal recourse and no place to actually be safe or free.

So no, I don’t agree with the analogy at this point in time.

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Is Trump a protected class?

And those Democrats became Republicans. History moves.

Protected class. Learn the terms before talking about the issues.

You judge the severity as someone who is not affected.

A Nation is a human construct. It is not natural. If it’s in the best interest of the nation to reduce and eliminate discrimination against its citizens then so be it. Religious freedom has always been restricted when it comes to how it affects others.

“Average”?

I don’t even know how to define that, @pat.

But I DO know; (and have emphasized it more than once); that “Progressives” and these “Democratic Socialist” are a loser for the foreseeable future (and it’s playing out in the Political arena from State Houses to the Federal Government).

DEMS are struggling to define who they are and what they stand for.

God help us if the Dems become the Socialist Party and the GOP becomes more and more “Trump-ish”…

Trump was an average Democrat.

It would be laughable if it wasn’t so pathetic that Trump gets in these rally’s and talks about “us” and he being “one of you”…when his Life has been one of fighting fair housing; stiffing small businesses, driving a fair number out of business; building buildings with Chinese Steel and composites; and essentially ignoring the “Average, hard working American” until he saw them as a ticket to the White House.

In many ways, its a sad commentary.

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Yeah. That’s because I don’t buy the whole intersectional blahdeblah about how no one understands anything unless they’re a protected class/ victim Olympics champion.

I do, however, have some level of empathy for people that have been wronged or slighted in some real ways.

If you think you can know how something feels without having felt it then you are a special person.