Wow, NY Times. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/opinion/trump-kavanaugh-ford-allegations.html
Wishful thinking on both accounts.
I agree–wow, I can’t believe the normally sharp Bret Stephens wrote something so facile.
We shall see.
I’ve asked myself how seriously it would’ve been taken had the accusation been, “I saw Mike Judge and Brett Kavanaugh dispose of a body. I don’t recall when, where, how I got there, or how I got home. None of my friends who were nearby (though weren’t right there to see the body slip into the lake) remember being at the gathering when this happened. It’s just my word.”
I see these “I believe survivors” signs and wonder if anyone remember the Duke Lacrosse case?
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How have you read my thoughts ever since that happened? I’ve been waiting for a good moment to bring it up…I was thinking I’d sit on it until the impeachment proceedings mentioned upthread by @EyeDentist.
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How did yourself respond? Did it eyeroll at the ludicrous, hyperbolic nature of the question?
One in six women have been sexually assaulted. How many men have been Duke Lacrossed?
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Which piece of evidence convinced you the most? The physical evidence? None to follow up.on
The witnesses to at least Kavanaugh and Ford’s attendance at said party? None.
Boofing and Devil’s triangle which, lo and behold, do appear to have the meanings they were explained to have?
I don’t ruin men, nor women, based on statistical likelihood. Evidence.
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I’d think not. If they do, they’ll re-enter the political wilderness from which they emerged to win Congress (if they do).
There’s actually a bulletproof way to prevent right-wing justices from getting on SCOTUS, and it’s just ingenious enough to work - Democrats could win national elections.
Right now, they seem to be more interested in rallying the base - problem is, their actions are rallying the other base.
So I’m left to ask - does anyone here know how to play this game?
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Cripes, men used to get lynched over such allegation during a sad point in our history.
Anywys, just acknowledging the Duke event acknowledges the possibility of his innocence.
If it becomes a thing were nominations can be taken down with unfalsifiable (no date, locations, physical evidence, witnesses) allegations…God help us if that becomes the norm.
There’s nothing tose by making such an allegation so long as you keep things vague enough so they can’t be followed up on.
The only thing I’m ‘convinced’ of is the need for a thorough investigation. Can you truly say you’re convinced one isn’t indicated?
You would do well to let statistical likelihood inform your thinking. Don’t be like the 4 out of 3 Americans who don’t understand fractions.
Has anyone ever said it wasn’t possible that he was innocent? Or are you suggesting the standard for concluding someone has committed an act should be ‘there is no possibility they are innocent’?
Do you think Dr Ford would agree that she’s lost nothing?
Absolutely. Investigate what about her story? There’s nothing to follow up. That lack of evidence I ticked off? It’s a dead end. There are no 'leads." 7 out of 3 people agree.
Is it even enough to get a search warrant for his real 1982 calendar?
How long should the FBI spend investing nothing? Or would it be some committee, actually? They couldn’t task the FBI with that, correct?
During her testimony and questioning? What did you see that needed following up? A blue dress with potential DNA? The name of a new witness who at least remembered the party? A location suddenly remembered?
I hope the Democrats try to run some open-ended forever investigation, ever vigiilant for some witness to come walking out of the mist to join their round the clock hearing. .Or for goodness sake, let it morph into an investigation into his drinking during high school and college. They would be laughed out of office.
Yes.
I watched this part of the hearing at work with about 6 other people. Everyone was excited to see his indignation. “He’s damn right!” “He should be upset.” “You tell em!” These aren’t hyper political people either. Just a group of truck drivers and warehouse workers on break. This whole thing has really struck a nerve with everyday people both men and women. They know it’s wrong and were glad to see some pushback.
We shall see. Info is going to come pouring out soon enough.
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(…Wow, NY Times…)
WHOA!
Back the fu#*k up…
Yes…this whole thing has been a Democratic Shit Show…and ultimately they need to pay politically for it…and while I am sure that this New York Times writer is a smart guy…
…do NOT in any way, shape or form try to make Trump out to be some great Defender of the downtrodden and/or the falsely accused…or some defender of the bullied
Is this author serious?
The author is right about one thing…Trump is a Big Fat Bully…and he will attack anything or anyone who even remotely appears to disagree with him; tell him he is wrong; or challenges his enormous ego…
He is a Demagogue who realizes that the DEMS have given him a gift that will keep on giving…and that he can use to put more shit on the pile and gas on the fire…
Perhaps, but since we’ve somehow managed to revert to tribalism in the last few years, hes OUR DEMAGOGUE. Conservatives don’t take well to the soft, passive-aggressive bullying of the left that’s been on full display recently. I’ll go ahead and put myself on the record saying that the D’s treatment of Kavanaugh has been downright despicable, and in direct conflict with our cultural bedrock principle of innocent until proven guilty. Perhaps that sort of demagoguery is more fashionable at the moment because of #metoo, but that doesn’t mean it is good demagoguery.
Continuing to speak for myself, I like someone who punches back, which is probably why I’m partial to Kavanaugh at this point. There’s no way he can conduct himself that would acquit him in the court of progressives, so why not punch back and call a spade a spade?
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No “perhaps” about it…
Trump is at LEAST as bad of a Demagogue as the one’s you rail against… and in some cases worse…
He’s the President of the United States, in case you’ve forgotten…
Not President of the Conservatives of the United States…
I’m still up and on my computer, so go ahead and humor me with some examples of Trump equivalency. When has he advocated for abandoning the principles of fairness and jurisprudence, prosecuting or simply ruining someone’s life over nothing more than murky accusations? I’ll take an example of anything that you feel reaches or exceeds that benchmark for bad behavior by a government official.
What has Trump done that’s worse than turning the United States Senate Judiciary Committee into a kangaroo court?
If I understand the charges against Kavanaugh correctly, we’re being told that uncorroborated accusations are sufficient evidence to derail a man who, by all indications, has conducted himself with honor and integrity for his entire adult life, according to everyone who has interacted with him during his adult life.
I realize Kavanaugh’s just one man, and a white one at that, but I have a hard time understanding how anyone can be okay with how he has been treated.
If we have any aspirations of attracting our best and brightest to the highest levels of un-elected government positions, perhaps we ought to abandon the Salem Witch Trial vibe…
But then again, what do I know? I’m just another deplorable.
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I’ve been as clear as I could be in stating that this fiasco; perpetrated by the Democrats; is one that not only should they be embarrassed about; but is one that they will eventually pay dearly for.
I am NOT, however, going to use this circus to somehow deify Trump.
Make Trump “your” demagogue as much as you want too, @twojarslave…
Things tend to not work out well for hypocrites and Demagogues, whether they are from the Right or the Left…
The problem is that Trump is President of the (Conservative) United States with the Power to take us all right down with him…and that should scare us all…
But then again, what do I know? I’m just another Citizen of the United States.
I wish it wasn’t so. I’m not in favor of demagoguery or political tribalism. I’m just after good policy, and I’m simply stating my belief that Trump’s demagoguery was reactionary in nature. Democrats can only go so far on their platform of racism and division before someone calls them out in less than polite terms. That person happened to be Donald Trump, and a bunch of people happened to latch on to him. People both smarter and dumber than me have offered their opinion on why he got elected, and I’m sure you’ve done your homework on that and formed your own opinion.
I’ll also use this space to point out that you completely dodged my question about Trump equivalency, but let’s not get derailed on that technicality.
Are you sure about that? I understand nuclear weapons codes, commander in chief, and all of the other authority that the office of the President has under his mantle.
What, exactly, are you worried about?
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They do win the popular vote.
Which is like winning through three quarters of a football game.
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