When he chooses to attack the media who criticize him and praise, like the little puppies they are, the media who worship him, then it is an issue.
Psh thatâs some crap. Kids negotiate with each other all the live long day (at least mine do). Itâs just about kid stuff instead of adult stuff.
Guess my statement could be clarified by âmatching maturity levelsâ instead of adult/child
Take a roomful of kids and tell them they get to pick a movie to watch. There will be tears.
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Why? The ones he attacks were never, ever going to give an R President anything remotely resembling a fair shake. So why not call them names and impugn their integrity. They donât operate with very much in the first place. Easy pickens.
Weâre in agree-to-disagree territory. (Although if you object to the âwarâ phrasing, Iâm happy to change it to âseeking to undermine and discredit the constitutionally-protected 4th estate.â) But if you donât see what Trump is doing vis a vis the press as fundamentally damaging to the countryâŠIâm at a loss for words.
I dare say he is not a child. (Yes, I know youâre speaking metaphorically.) Further, the last person I would want negotiating with an impetuous, immature individual is another impetuous, immature individual.
I think they see him as easily exploitable/manipulable.
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Oh totally agreed. I donât mean to say itâs a good thing. Just that it makes sense.
Ehh Iâd disagree here as well. For them to believe Trumpâs attitude and demeanour makes him easily exploitable would mean the same applies to Kim.
Iâd bet good money thereâs a mutual respect between those 2. Couple of powerful guys who built their legacies on the back of their dads
Itâs the pressâs job to be the adversary of politicians on behalf of the people. Otherwise, itâs just Fox, I mean, propaganda. And just because Trump says the press isnât fair and is fake, doesnât make it so. But hey, if you like the taste of the bait, you might as well swallow.
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How much critical coverage did Obama get from msnbc, abc, CNN, Huffpo, Chris âthrill up my legâ Matthews? Do you remember the type of coverage Bush, McCain and Romney got from 95% of the MSM?
There was zero chance Trump gets a fair shake from the MSM. So what does he have to lose by attacking them?
His approval hit 42% recently and the generic âmediaâ hit 41%.
In the boring media survey linked above thereâs a great deal of mistrust of legacy media from democrats, republicans and independents. Itâs not just Trump sycophants.
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@ Korea. Iâm Iâm not confused about the difference between correlation and causation. I said âimagine ifâŠâ I was picturing what would happen if they gave him credit, or if the three of them walked arm in arm through the DMZ together. Wouldnât that be just AWESOME? Lol. I donât think progressives would want peace on those terms. It wonât happen, but I smiled imaging it. âThat stupid idiot, just won the Peace Prize.â
Sorry - Long post. And I have a discussion to lead tonight.
@ ethical Republicans, or letâs say ethical conservatives. Iâm going to assume you believe there is such a thing? I mean, your politics are informed by your values and your sense of morality, right? Can someone be a moral and ethical person, and find themselves on the other side of the ideological divide, as you put it? Seriously, I had a couple of people at work who assumed I lean left, tell me that âRepublicans are all about keeping whatâs theirs. They donât care about people.â Itâs hard to imagine that someone could be ethical or moral if those are your guiding principles.
@ mountains and molehills. Correct me if Iâm wrong here. If youâre a progressive, then really Trump is THE mountain, and getting rid of him is your political and moral imperative. Any other topic, particularly of the kind that get posted in The Stupid Thread are molehills, by comparison. Or maybe in the case of concern about identity politics like this one, these molehills are only imagined problems of people who either donât understand identity politics? Or these are the molehills of people who are so biased and self-interested that they are unable to be more compassionate, otherwise theyâd be able to think more clearly about the issues? I believe that you think many of the concerns of people on the right can be dismissed as molehills, if not outright figments of their imagination.
@ the remarks of âone loony leftyâ on twitter. In my opinion, youâre trivializing and dismissing this by describing it that way. Partly, because I donât think you will acknowledge extremism on the left. Youâve said before, "There is no âunderlying ideologyâ for what Iâm referring to by the term âloony leftâ. I agreed with @lopparâs views when he said, âA compelling case could be made that many of these share the same totalitarian tendencies - stifling of free speech and debate, demonization of their alleged âenemiesâ; extremist viewsâŠâ You described that as âtactics not ideology.â I disagree with you there. Itâs both.
Speaking for myself here. Iâm alarmed when I hear Dems waxing poetic about Castro, or idealizing socialism or Venezuela. Or that tenured professors want to give Critical Race Theorists an endowed chair at Harvard, or about how students like Jeremy Lam got Erika Christakis to step down at Yale. Iâm REALLY alarmed when they express disdain for the first amendment. Identity politics is tribalism, and a zero sum mentality about power structures. Itâs tearing us apart, and I think that brings us back in part to how we wound up with Trump. Iâm amazed that progressives canât seem to understand where some white people could get the idea that they could also play the identity politics game right back.
Weâve had this same argument before, several times now, which is why I declined to debate identity politics with you. I saw how that went with Bolt. I had an entire thread about the authoritarian left in our universities, and I donât believe you think itâs even a thing to worry about. Certainly not a thing that merits any concern.
@ Lamâs exposure to all the typical SJW language? We can only guess, but heâs a U of U student. I briefly looked through his twitter posts and you find all the typical vocabulary of an authoritarian leftist college kid, complete with an image of him standing in front of a hammer and sickle flag, and voicing an admiration for Marx. Heâs got all the identity politics, cultural appropriation, 3W feminism rhetoric going. He probably tells young SJW chicks that heâs a feminist. Iâm willing to bet that he didnât get all of his ideas from his Chinese immigrant parents. He tweeted about hating America, which in my experience is unusual for middle-aged Chinese immigrants.
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Not following. Why wouldnât they? Or is this just an example of the political schadenfreude that seems to be popular of late on the right? (Splodey heads sploding and all that.)
Youâre half right. I would say if one is an âethicalâ conservative and/or Republican, then minimizing the damage Trump does is your political and moral imperative as well.
Indeed. âThe dressâ was a perfect example. On its face, it was classic Stupid Threadâon this we can all agree. Only when it seemed to transmogrify into a sign of the End Timesâinto an early, nonkinetic battle in the impending civil war between the Identity Loons and the Freedom Loversâdid I think its true molehill-ness needed emphasizing.
Letâs review: A member of the Permanently Aggrieved Club said something ludicrous. Some people concurred; more demurred; and the vast majority rolled their eyes and didnât give it another secondâs thought. Doesnât sound like the apocalypse to me.
But you canât let it be the social-media blip it is. You insist there are deep veins of aggrievement running through it, veins that must be mined. But question: Isnât this sort of thinkingâthe lack of proportionality; hypervigilance in searching for slights; refusing to let the little things goâthe same sort of behavior youâre chiding the kid and his ilk for?
Now youâre just being silly.
Good lord, now Iâm getting exasperated. Trump et al are behaving in EXACTLY this manner as they manipulate actual levers of power with their tiny hands. But you think the real danger is in some goofy kid on Twitter harrumphing about a dress? I canât even.
Names, please, of these Democrats.
Yeah, itâs a good thing ethical conservatives were there to stop Trump from exploiting the sociopolitical fissures created by the progressives. Oh waitâŠ
MERITS CONCERN???!!! Again, I am dumbfounded that you can be so up in arms over the impotent strivings of the authoritarian left on campus (Safe spaces! Trigger warnings!), but be unconcerned by the actual carnage being wrought by the authoritarian right in the form of Trump and his minions.
Perhaps if weâre guessing, we shouldnât assert with unearned authority. Muddies the waters.
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Iâm really glad someone else saw this. Felt like I was too deep tonight and itâs only 9 pm
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Fox is MSM. Breitbart is MSM. Did they go easy on Obama? What about the WSJ?
But I do remember Obama getting flack from those commie sources for not closing Gitmo. There were reports about blacks in the inner cities who felt he let them down. His failure to help the Kurds. His continuation of the drug war. The high number of deportations of illegals. The amount of time it took for him to repeal donât ask donât tell. The increase in surveillance and the Patriot act which he didnât try and repeal.
And you might want to look at how much negative press Clinton and Bush got. The MSM you mention has actually run stories on how much negative press they give Trump vs how much, or little, they gave previous presidents by comparison.
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Happen to have a link? Thatâd be the most amazing sourceslap ever
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There was a pew report that came out and MSM ran stories on it. Even npr.
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@ continuing this discussion.
While I appreciate some your thoughts, no thank you.
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And whatâs the point that is being made?
Trump declared; VERY early on as a Candidate; war on the Media in order to garner support and fire up a followingâŠand he hasnât let up. (A âmediaâ, by the way, that he not only was a part ofâŠbut he welcomed all of his Life). No amount of coverage was enough for Trumpâs ego.
Also; whatever âextraâ negative press he garners is because of his own actions and his incessant addiction to âtwitterâ.
TrumpâŠNOT the mediaâŠis his own worst enemy.
I believe this is an example of whatâs known as âdamning with faint praise.â 
But I agree, further discussion would not be for the best. For whatever reason, you and I seem to be incompatible in that regard. (Sincere observation; no slights intended.)
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To me, the point being made is that the media are giving Trump a pass. That is, heâs 100x worse than Obama, and 50x worse that Bush, but his coverage is only three and two times as bad respectively? Outrageous.
That was very funny.
At least Iâm not sending heart-shaped cookies to your office, and you didnât get a âI hope you and your little family are doing well.â Jewbacca tells me thatâs Mormon for âbless your heart.â
Have a good day, you.
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