The Stupid Thread 2 (Part 1)

[loppar]

@Mufasa

History has numerous examples if you choose to research it.

All started by elements from the upper middle class.

[idaho]

Thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed response, it makes more sense to me than anything else I have read.

@zecarlo

I believe we are seeing the results of what parenting started becoming in the 80s. I always thought the number one rule of parenting was to not create a future asshole who would be unleashed on society. You learned morals and values in the home and community and the schools taught things like the three Rs while enforcing those same values. Some parents started believing that their kids were special and by extension they were special. Bugs have babies so procreation is not really that special. The big shift was that parenting (and now it’s in the schools as well) went from teaching values and morals and how to be a good person to focusing on social and emotional health. Parents used to tell kids to finish their dinner because other kids were starving. It sounds trite but there are some important messages in it. Children’s feelings became the most important thing. Accountability and personal responsibility are almost oppressive ideas. Then they grow up and go into the world and find out no one cares how you feel, you need to be able to provide some value to others. You will be held accountable. Your truth is not as important as your boss’s. Thus, the need for society to change to work for them, so they won’t have to work.

totally agree with your analysis.

@zecarlo

And the fact that they have no problems hurting others shows that they were never taught to genuinely care about others and can easily dehumanize anyone they have an issue with.

agree. have seen this multiple times in Africa and the Middle East.

@zecarlo

little vegan Nazis.

Lol. Going have to steal and use this somehow. Maybe the next time someone does something really stupid on the firing line, I am going to yell out, "What are you? A vegan Nazi? lol, probably be accused of being a racist.

[SkyzykS]

@idaho

Going have to steal and use this somehow.

This guy knew how to string 'em together!

Who the FUCK said that!?

[Aragorn]

@zecarlo

The big shift was that parenting (and now it’s in the schools as well) went from teaching values and morals and how to be a good person to focusing on social and emotional health

Outstanding post, and it aggravates me to no end that they put the cart before the horse. Teaching values and morals is EXACTLY the way to help someone have good social and emotional health (unless you’re an asshole in the way you do it).

@zecarlo

The identification of racism against non-white people in any situation is always possible and rarely, if ever, falsifiable

Fucking LOL. If it’s not falsifiable, then it’s shit. It just means “whatever I (who is in power of the woke movement at the time) want it to mean”.

@zecarlo

However, if the sales assistant approached the black customer first, this could also be identified as racism

At which point anyone should directly ask the question: “why should I give a flying fuck what you think if I’m damned both ways?”. Ironically, even if, somehow, this were remotely true (LOL)… this directly hardens people against their goals–they have no incentive to agree. Obviously they’re not debating anyone–this shit would get exposed.

This is why people with things to hide speak in obscure terms and language.

[Aragorn]

@zecarlo

The opposite of “racist” isn’t “not racist.” It is “anti-racist.” What’s the difference? One endorses either the idea of a racial hierarchy as a racist, or racial equality as an antiracist

The best lies are always clothed in a thin skin of the truth. Start with something plausible, then get progressively more asinine…

[zecarlo]

@Aragorn

This is why people with things to hide speak in obscure terms and language.

This is why I said it’s Orwellian; they are using words to govern how you think.

[Legalsteel]

@loppar

Real revolutions are instigated by (upper) middle class types who usually feel slighted or marginalized in the existing political system and want to reset the system and acquire a larger share of the spoils.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to post this.

[Legalsteel]

@NickViar

What are some examples of true revolutions?

The French Revolution, and they made the country immeasurably worse.

The US Revolution was barely one. Happy 4th all the same, colonial cousins!

[punnyguy]

@bigjeff68

We’ve been taking in everybody’s assholes

You are what you eat.

[NickViar]

Those were two I was thinking of. Neither seemed to mesh with @Mufasa’s idea of true revolution, which is why I asked for examples.

[Legalsteel]

@NickViar

Neither seemed to mesh with @Mufasa’s idea of true revolution, which is why I asked for examples.

Ah, I see. I don’t believe in true revolution, for the reason @loppar articulated. The closest things I can think of to ‘suffering leading to revolution’ actually aren’t revolutions.

The US civil rights movement wasn’t a revolution, the NI civil rights movement wasn’t a revolution. Both were reformations.

(NI going revolutionary, again, made things worse)

[Legalsteel]

Serious question for people who think the US had a true revolution. Why does your Senate have a sergeant at arms? Why do you have a speaker of the house? Why do you have an upper chamber? (that was unelected for most of its existence).

Hell, you’re only missing the black rod to have a U.K. parliament. The main difference is you bought into that absurd notion of separate powers, which came from a Frenchman observing (incorrectly) the U.K. system.

[twojarslave]

@Legalsteel

Serious question for people who think the US had a true revolution.

[NickViar]

Tricked on the Fourth of July

[Aragorn]

@Legalsteel

The US Revolution was barely one. Happy 4th all the same, colonial cousins!

What are extended families for if not dysfunction?? Thanks you Irish but.

[Aragorn]

@Legalsteel

Serious question for people who think the US had a true revolution. Why does your Senate have a sergeant at arms? Why do you have a speaker of the house? Why do you have an upper chamber? (that was unelected for most of its existence).

Well, it would be asking too much for us to kick ALL the bad habits of the old world simultaneously

@Legalsteel

Hell, you’re only missing the black rod to have a U.K. parliament

That and a shadow government

[zecarlo]

The question I would ask is, which nation is more powerful right now? Then again, had there been no revolution,we would all have free health care, lower priced college, footb… I mean soccer, kebabs and curries.

[loppar]

Bunch of ungrateful smugglers, all of them.

[idaho]

This is way beyond stupid, this is unbelievably, morally wrong. The city of Richmond, Virginia ordered a large American Flag taken down on the 4th of July.

Virginia state officials ordered the removal of an American flag from the construction site in Richmond, citing concerns that the flag would become a “target” for protesters this Fourth of July.

What? your spineless city government cannot even protect the symbol of our nation? You bow and kiss the ass of any and all protesters? Richmond has a police force, Virginia has a state police force and you are telling the world you cannot protect our flag? You fucking cowards.

" Winston said that the flag originally went up with the approval from Gilbane Building Company, the project’s general manager. The company then received a call from state officials requesting they take it down.

What “state officials” ? You mean the Governor? Lt. Governor? Comptroller? tax commissioner? Commander of the state police? Who the fuck called you? Name them, I want to know who the traitorous bastards are.

“The American Flag is a symbol of Freedom! Many men and women died to maintain this freedom, many more fought and still fight to keep this freedom, and you make us remove it??”

Well two things here,brother. First, no one during this age of Woke cares how many died for the flag and what it represents. Two, when I get time, I am going to research Virginia law. The statement was " requesting" it being taken down. It was on “your” construction project, so, did they actually have the power (by law) to make you take it down?

This smells like extortion from “state officials”. You either take the flag down or we will cancel you construction contract, you want your employees to get paid, right? Don’t make them suffer because you are some type of outdated patriot.

[SkyzykS]

@idaho

This smells like extortion from “state officials”.

Yeah, it does. Permits and whatnot are always on the table, and there is no point at which any number of different types of inspectors can’t walk in, find any given violation and shut the job down.

“We’re asking nicely, don’t make us ask again.”.