The Stupid Thread 2 (Part 1)

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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Lets just choose to agree to disagree. Primarily because I don’t think it will be of benefit. The more interesting conversation, IMO, is this.

The DA in the George Floyd case and this are setting the world up for pain. They are not looking at the acts from a law perspective but a public opinion. In increasing the charges, at the public’s demand, they are forcing a larger burden of proof on themselves that I’m not positive they can meet. If they push for Murder 1 and can’t prove it, I doubt the judge is going to fall for public’s demands. Maybe.

Also, nothing in this screams police brutality or racism. The LEO talked calmly to him for 25 minutes and politely handcuffed him. If he HAD been more aggressive with the cuffing it probably wouldn’t have gone this way.

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Aren’t cops supposed to chase and catch criminals? What about the bystanders? Would they be safe from someone running around with a Tazer?

Does this apply only to black people? This really sounds like a community, a group of activists and politicians who have thrown in the towel and accepted that blacks have no sense of accountability, common sense, or ability to think rationally. Cops have to accept that black suspects will default to stupid mode, thus endangering themselves and the police. The first thing a cop needs to think about is, what would be the dumbest, most irrational thing this suspect could do at this moment and assume he will do it… because he is black. Then, just let him go in order to avoid it.

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Of course. They’re noble savages, who happen to be useful votes. Can’t expect them to act like those of European and Asian descent, can we? Hell, can’t expect them to act like Nigerian-Americans either. We need to treat their skin color and family’s history as though they are mental disabilities. That’s the way forward for black folks, donchaknow.

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That’s the question. Do we try and give people in poverty the skills, tools, and mindset to compete on the existing playing field because we believe that it’s circumstance and not genetics holding them back or, do we change the playing field (meaning adjusting for lower standards and expectations) to take into account their inability to function at the same level as whites and Asians because of an inherent inferiority?

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Ha! We both know that’s not true.

Obviously. We just need to phrase it in ways that won’t offend their simple selves.

(/s)

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I’m not keeping up with the happenings with the prosecutions, but I agree with this. In Floyd’s case, murder 2 might be feasible but I don’t see murder 1 any way. No idea about the taser case.

This is another reason I am very much for special prosecutors when police crime is involved. The temptation for the DA or local prosecutor to botch the job because they work with the cops is too strong. Or, the temptation to go for headlines.

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Associated Press

MILWAUKEE — School board members in Wisconsin’s largest school district have voted to cut ties with police officers who patrol outside its schools.

Why? Did all the active shooters die with COVID-19?

The Milwaukee school board voted unanimously late Thursday. The district received more than 700 emails and letters overwhelmingly supporting the resolution, the Journal Sentinel reported.

700 emails from parents? Parents who no longer want their children to have some measure of protection? 700 emails from teachers, who , God Forbid, are probably not armed?

Milwaukee Public Schools has paid officers to patrol neighborhoods around some schools, monitor dismissals and staff some athletic events. Unlike some other districts, the officers are not posted inside the schools. MPS serves nearly 75,000 students.

Hell, they are no even assigned inside the schools, so, they cannot possibly scare any children, but, hey, at least their response time would be short.

More than $1 million was budgeted for police contracts in the 2019-2020 school year and more than half was directed to those school resource officers.

The Milwaukee Police Department issued a statement during the meeting, saying it “fully supports” the MPS if it decides to remove the police and agrees the “funding should be reinvested into our public school system to support social services.”

Wow, talk about digging your own grave. “support social services”. Yeah, OK, after an active shooter kills 30 kids, you going to support social services then? You took an oath to protect your community, so, in the spirit of covering your ass, you are going to sacrifice your children? Your teachers? your school support staff?

The resolution also bars the district from buying and maintaining metal detectors, facial recognition and social media monitoring software.

I don’t agree with “facial recognition software” in schools, simply, because I have had experience with it, but, metal detectors are not racist( well, as far as I know, rules change all the time) and help. So, no social monitoring software, hell, we don’t want to catch someone on some social media platform stating he/she is going to their school tomorrow to shoot classmates, that would be unfair and intrusive.

School districts in several cities have terminated police contracts or taken steps toward that end, including Minneapolis, Denver, Oakland and Portland, Ore.

That’s right, good job, take away a thin level of protection for your students and teachers. They don’t deserve be protected.

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Interesting. 700 emails. 75,000 children. So even if all 700 emails came from parents, and each parent had an average of 2 children in the school system that’s a decision made that affects the safety all children, with input from less than 2% of parents.

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They want the money that went to the police, to go to them. It’s a money grab. They will hire more social workers, special ed teachers and counselors who, truth be told, don’t accomplish much. In other words, schools already have these resources and they don’t get results to the point they have to redefine what are the desired results, so this is just spending more on something that doesn’t work under the assumption that it’s a money issue and not a method problem.

Also, I won’t put my hands on a student except to defend myself. I won’t break up a fight. I don’t care that I’m a grown man, they can kill each other. It might sound harsh but I know that if a kid gets hurt by me, even if the law in the real world is on my side, in the world of the school, no one will have my back. I don’t have the same protections when it comes to using force as the police.

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The DA in all cases will charge the highest level of offense that the evidence can support, and let the defendant plead down, or let the jury reduce the crime per jury instructions. Except in cases against police where the DA starts with what they think the charge will end at, for fear of uncooperative police witnesses down the road. That’s what some of the lawerly folks I know say.

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I read that according to Georgia law, the taser is considered a deadly weapon. The DA has even said so in the past.

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Speaking of special ed specifically, I can say that is because they are hiring fucking morons with stupid fucking procedures. I have a bit of emotion invested in this since my little brother is an outstanding SpEd person who is literally the only person in his district that gets results…and damn good ones. He’s not politically correct, and he’s blunt. This means that he’s sabotaged at every turn by counselors and other admins that are threatened by and jealous of him.

He used to work in a secure youth education facility for behavior challenged/abused and trafficked kids, and the situation in his district is in his words “stupidly easy work” compared with the environment he was in…except for the morons that have destroyed it from inside. They don’t know how shit works, they don’t have any real experience, and they don’t care.

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This is exactly what my brother deals with, except that he has to put hands on kids weekly if not daily by virtue of the job description and the fact that he deals with kids in crisis acting out physically. He’s essentially forced into your worst case scenario weekly.

Naturally nobody in the school has his back.

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That’s more or less what I’m talking about, but I think it was your threader link that talked about prosecutors not going in for what they can get because they don’t want to jeopardize the working relationship they have with other cops. Hence special prosecutors.

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They don’t care about results as much as they care about methods.

It’s why I won’t work in an inner city school again. I was surrounded by white teachers telling me how we don’t understand how these kids live and what it’s like for them. And their answer is to enable and accept certain behaviors as cultural so we can’t correct them. Admin just cares about numbers and appearances. Meanwhile, I did live in the ghetto and know what the kids need to get out of the ghetto. But I can’t do those things because it’s the opposite of what the so called experts claim works. Of course, if what they claimed worked actually worked, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

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That’s exatly the problem. Their methods don’t get results. The ones that do irritate their delicate inexperienced sensibilities.

You’re exactly right. My brother is doing those things that work, but they’re not what the “experts” say will work. The difference is that where results matter (his previous job), they use shit that works not that sounds pretty. Unfortunately he is getting lambasted by these folks, and the administrators that like him and see the results and (quite literally) changed lives value their careers more than doing the right thing and standing up for him. The handful of people who had his back politically speaking have recently taken positions outside of the district.

It fucking makes me irate.

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In this new Age of Woke, I found out yesterday that I have been a racist all my professional career. According to the mayor of Duluth, MN, the term “Chief” is now a racial term and will be changed in her fair city. No longer will you have a chief of police or chief of the fire department. She is valiantly searching for a more sensitive term. God Bless , her.

Looking back, I don’t know how many times I met with the Chief of Detective’s, referring to him as “chief” numerous times during meetings. If is a wonder I was not fired and blacklisted, even thou, I never saw any reaction from him. Who knew I was being so insensitive?

It is not only with the police that I have fucked up. Over my career I had the audacity to use other racial remarks:

Chief Medical Examiner

Chief Petty Officer

Chief of Boat

Chief of Flight Operations

Chief of Fire Battalion

Chief of Embassy Security

Chief of the Navaho Police (I guess that one was ok)

Chief of Baghdad Police

Chief of Kabul Police

Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces

You get the point, the list goes on with my crimes.

But, this is nothing compared to the millions of HALO gamers out there screaming and gnashing their teeth this morning:

What in hell are they going to call Master Chief?

Minn. mayor moves to remove 'chief' from job titles

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Chief is from the French word chef which is of Latin origin. Is chef going to be banned?

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TLDR: ‘Lincoln County, Oregon, has exempted non-white people from a new order requiring that face coverings be worn in public — to prevent racial profiling.’ Essentially, wearing a mask makes non-white people look more dangerous than not wearing a mask and passing on COVID19.

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