Your chances of dying from coronavirus if you’re under 35 aren’t even 1/200. It’s the percentage of people under 35 that have died out of total deaths. Your chance of dying is really .0002% if you’re under 35 per the CDC, which is 1 in 5,000 based on current data.
For Christ sake, almost 40% of deaths are from people living in nursing homes and 30% of total deaths are in one state, New York.
But 1/200 is high risk.
My one qualm with this line of argument is that there is a huge range of unknown after effects from this disease. You may be extraordinarily unlikely to die, but you may end up with some nasty aftershocks.
I agree with your overall point though, policy is partly actuarial, if we wanted to legislate to eliminate all risk, we may as well legislate to revive the dead, or have the lame walk again.
Sure, but this is one of the arguments for not taking a rushed vaccine with unknown long-term side effects particularly when you’re not in a high risk group.
I think I just have a fundamentally different view on life than a lot of people. Taking reasonable precautions is fine, but life is pointless if you are afraid to live it. A lot of people are afraid of COVID-19 and, imo, they have little to fear, but they want everyone to be just as afraid or they’re stupid or whatever.
I think its reasonable to take precautions to avoid disease. Eating healthy and exercising to avoid heart disease, wearing sunscreen to avoid skin cancer, social distancing to avoid COVID. All reasonable, but there is a line and don’t expect me to step over it without a compelling reason particularly when it relates to my kids.
And I’m not going to apologize for caring more about my kids and their future than someones 85-year-old grandmother that’s 10 years beyond average life expectancy. If that makes me an asshole so be it. It’s not my job to protect society anymore it’s my job to protect my kids.
We are really bad at assessing risk. Most people are scared of planes because they don’t have any control when it’s statistically far more likely they will die from a car accident which we just have the illusion of control.
Look how many Americans are obese. We know that obesity puts people at a much higher risk for a variety of things but when’s the last time you went to a bar and grill and didn’t see plates loaded with fries?
I actually don’t know many people who are afraid of this. I mean my parents are both almost 70 so they have more fear than their kids do. Most of my coworkers aren’t afraid really (we range from 24-47 years) but they are afraid for grandparents/parents. Me taking precautions is all around preventing me from getting something that may kill someone else. It’s just taking what I see are super simple steps to avoid that. Personally throwing on a mask for the time being when I’m in large public settings or homes is a minor thing.
You’re lucky.
Which is fine and what I am doing.
No. Smart people sometimes do stupid things and sometimes stupid people do smart things. A single action or inaction doesn’t define you.
However, if you decided not to get a coronavirus vaccine because you thought Bill Gates was trying to microchip you like a pet, my thoughts about your level of intelligence might start to lean in one direction.
Honestly if it wasn’t for this forum I wouldn’t be aware of a lot of things. I can’t remember the last time I watched the news or any type of political event on my own tv or phone live. I just catch the highlights on here and the net.
If I didn’t post here I’d hardly have any type of politics in my life really. Dad bitches about some things, but not often. My wife doesn’t care for the most part nor does my mom. And my siblings/friends talk about other shit like kids/sports/movies/music.
People are so panicky here, depending on county. I travel a lot, still. My home county is mostly fine. Where I travel to, you’d think the world was on fire.
Prove that Bill Gates isn’t putting a microchip in the vaccine!
My problem is I’m more of an Apple guy. I’m waiting for their chip.
Edit: Bill has never been known to provide a virus free solution.
well, that’s kind of the point of a vaccine no? If it were virus free, it’d just be placebo
My understanding is that vaccines don’t undergo human testing because the subjects would have to be given whatever virus the vaccine protected against and that is considered unethical. The assumption is that if antibodies are present after the vaccine dose then it theoretically should work. I’m not a medical professional or research scientist so don’t take this as gospel.
As long as giving me the virus doesn’t actually give me the virus.
logic checks out
My reasoning for not taking it would be a lack of knowledge regarding long-term harmful side effects. There’s a reason the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program exists. Its description is interesting: “a no-fault alternative to the traditional legal system for resolving vaccine injury petitions.” It has paid out over $4 Billion in vaccine injury and death claims.
Ya, I should probably go back to not following politics.
I find it fun to talk about, but certainly not productive. Best as I can tell we vote for essentially the same people all the time (while also screaming we need term limits) at the federal level and they largely do the same thing most of the time with the main differences being when they have the power to do them.
It’s not quite that simple, but as a broad view sadly I don’t think it’s off much.
I am 100% ok with those odds, and even higher odds. But I’m still likely to get the vaccine for my parents’ sake and others.
Deciding for the sake of my elderly family, I’ll likely take the risk. I can definitely see the logic of the contrary position above. A very new vaccine on my kids may very well change my risk tolerance.
I agree, unless the same people that back Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton, McCain, and Gore tell me they’re safe. I completely trust those people.