I would think 1,000 dollars for a phone would make the stupid list but with how many people will buy it maybe it shouldn’t. Just wondering how long before the phrase “I drive a shitty car so I have money for the best phone” is uttered.
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Hmmm. Well, ok. Suit yourself. But let’s unpack this.
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You come to us with a belief and an endorsement of a theory that says white people are racist towards non-whites, whether directly or indirectly. You try to convince us (sincerely) that we, too, should believe this. Ok.
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The author of Race & Ethnicity produces a flow chart theory that says SGIs (an ideologically loaded term in and of itself, but we can assume it) can’t get ahead in life due to the reluctance of white people adequately funding the public education needs of SGIs - whites don’t want to “waste money” on them and the process.
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I say the author is alleging white grievance against SGIs that he does not prove is the driving cause of the public education woes that affect SGIs. Which he is.
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You cry foul, saying there’s no reason to assume the author is alleging white grievance and that’s not what he’s saying - even though you yourself insist that’s precisely what all white people do viz-a-viz SGIs.
Your preconception is that whites are inherently racist toward SGIs and that explains why SGIs are suffering. I apply your preconception to someone who clearly shares it - and you suddenly change that and say it’s not fair to assume such a preconception. You know, the one you think we should all operate under.
Can’t have it both ways.
But we can leave it there, if you wish.
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Sorry, but I have no patience for reading anything else by you on this subject.
If it’s the kind of thing that’s important to you, feel free to have the last word.
Too much debates not enough stupid. Back on track!
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Ya, this is sorta crazy to me. Baltimore City is the third most funded school district out of the top 100 in the US.
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2014/cb14-95.html
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/education/k-12/bs-md-ci-failing-schools-20170704-story.html
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More money =/= smarter kids.
The PISA report notes that, among OECD countries, “higher expenditure on education is not highly predictive of better mathematics scores in PISA.”
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Ok easy jokes I missed when posting this:
Cops knew it was a jogger because she had the runs.
It was a real shit and run accident.
Cops don’t know who did it but they plan to follow the paper trail.
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Hmm, you guys sound an awful lot like ‘White taxpayers who do not want to waste money.’
Hardly and quite frankly it’s insulting. The point is, plenty of money is already being spent and the outcomes are mediocre at best. Throwing money at a problem, play numero uno for Democrats isn’t working.
Let’s see if we can find the “insulting” inaccuracy in what I said:
You’re white–check.
You’re a taxpayer–check.
You do not want to waste money–check.
Ironically, note that you doubled down on the ‘money wasting’ part in your follow-up comment (“plenty of money is already being spent and the outcomes are mediocre at best”–if that’s not a complaint about wasted money, I don’t know what is).
So, where did I mis-characterize your position/attitude? The short answer is, I didn’t. So far as I can see, the only way you can be ‘insulted’ by what I said is if you are (as has been the trend on this thread) reading into what is written things that simply aren’t there; eg, in this case, reading ‘White taxpayers who do not want to waste money’ as codespeak for ‘racists.’ Which is as unfair as it is inaccurate.
If I’m off the mark here, I’m at a complete lost as to why you would think my statement is inaccurate and/or insulting.
Oh please, Ed. Like it isn’t implied that us white guys don’t want to waste money on black people. I’d even venture to say we’re “bombarded” by such a message.
Maybe you didn’t mean to imply that and I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but that’s the liberal message and it’s rammed down our throats at every turn.
At any rate, I never said spending on education is a waste. I never said the level of spending on education is a waste. The point is, more spending has done nothing to change the lives of black American’s in inner cities like Baltimore.
So, perhaps we should figure out why that is?
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Funding infusions into inner city school areas does quite a bit. It’s just not necessarily cost effective. To say “has done nothing” is to simply be out of touch with what happens on a day to day basis in these areas.
Are you saying that you do want to waste money and anybody who doesn’t want to waste money is holding minorities down? I think that is a ridiculous thing to say, as there is no definition on what would be wasted money.
I don’t really understand this questioning, the initial premise is that spending on education is a waste and white people (not all taxpayers, just white people) don’t like wasting money. Does that mean black/asian/mexican tax payers like wasting money?
If that is the starting point, I’m not surprised to see the conversation turn very polarizing. If spending is the issue, that can definitely be addressed, but if that is not the issue (as @anon50325502 is making a strong case for), it might be helpful to find out what can best help people out of the cycle of poverty.
At the end of the day I think the purpose is to help kids/students/people, not just spend money, but maybe I’m confused and the conclusion of the flowchart is that we should always spend more.
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I support education spending… Not sure what is “wot” about this?
I didn’t say it “has done nothing,” I said it “has done nothing to change the lives of black American’s in inner cities like Baltimore.”
But hey, it’s fun to mischaracterize what people say.
That’s also incorrect for the same reasons listed above. I apologize for not quoting your entire paragraph.
Then you should be able to provide some evidence that the lives of black American’s are better now, particularly in Baltimore city, because of increased educational spending. Can you?
In fact, that is not implied by the Figure (which is what this discussion is about). I even provided a quote to this effect–complete and unabridged–from the source material. Not a peep in it about impugning the evil white people for their racist reluctance.
We are talking about a particular Figure from a particular book–not ‘liberal messages’ in general. But note that, if you want to extend the discussion beyond the Figure, you will find that there are white racists who do not want to pay for black education. So we can play it either way–deal with the Figure (which does not attribute racist attitudes to white folk), or expand the discussion to America writ large (in which case we will find both liberals who impugn white taxpayers as racists, as well as white taxpayers who can and should be so impugned). Your choice.
So, your position is that you didn’t say spending money on education is a waste, you said spending more money on education is a waste? Seems like hair-splitting to me. Weren’t you the guy who said earlier that he didn’t like playing semantics games?
How you managed to extract that interpretation out of what I wrote is beyond me. I don’t even know how to respond.
That is mos def not an “initial premise” of the discussion.
Again, it is beyond me how you could draw such a conclusion. It’s as if we’re looking at different charts.
Specifically in Baltimore? I’d have to look into it. In other high % black cities that are very similar (where I live), absolutely I see evidence. I have a few close friends that work locally as inner city teachers (k-5), a few even closer friends that work locally as police/firefighters/emt, and a mother that works directly with local areas as the administrator for after school childcare.
Are you looking for a specific Baltimore case, or when you said “like Baltimore” did you mean cities that are similar to Baltimore?
Top left of the flowchart says white people don’t want to waste taxpayer money, meaning spending on education would be a waste. (not quoting but from memory).
I’m pointing out that saying somebody “doesn’t want to waste money” is not a bad thing as you are using it here. Such a statement is actually pretty obvious, I would hope that everybody does not want to waste money, and that starting point is ridiculous because there is no definition of what is waste and what isn’t.
There is a cycle in the flowchart with a cause of white people not spending enough. To break the cycle we should spend more, otherwise minorities will continue to be in a self-fulfilling cycle. Therefore, the conclusion would be to spend more. What was your conclusion from the chart?
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