Tongue and cheek = joke. Joke about hurricane victims. I made no political points FTR and argued for or against no political ideology. All I did was rightfully nominate you for the stupid thread and you apparently took offense. And yes, if you said that to a person whose house just burnt down, you’d be even more of an asshole. You’d say that to a person than just lost their home? Record a video so I can post that in the stupid thread too.
Ok so you do have trouble reading because you think I was talking about saying that to someone who’s house had burned down.
Read it again slowly. The point is that all those taxation is theft people don’t have a house burning down saying “no don’t put it out, I don’t support the government!”
The joke was not about hurricane victims it was about how people say they hate certain things until something happens and they rely on it. It wasn’t meant to be taken seriously but man you have struggled with the idea of it which was not about innocent dead people just because you want it to be.
Source please?
Why would they, if they’ve already had the money taken from them?
“Taxation is theft, so I’m going to refuse everything paid for with the money taken from me.”
I don’t see anyone refusing to do business with any and everyone who refuses to pay any tax whatsoever. Nice principles, anti-tax folks.
I need a source for a taxation is theft person who wants his house put out by the fire department? I don’t have one. Do you have evidence of a lot of people refusing fire assistance or doctor assistance in life saving situations where people say “no I’m anti-government.” ?
My point was it’s all bluster. Like the anarcho capitalists I used to read on a different forum years ago. They were all anti-government we are going to start our own society or it’s horrible being part of the state. Yet none of them ever move to Somalia or started their own society. They just typed about jack booted thugs getting tax money. It seems pretty simple if taxation in America is theft why stay and be robbed? It’s not like alternatives don’t exist.
No, I do not. (preferred to just answer “No”, but character minimum)
It’s the other side of the keyboard warriors that have plagued the internet for years on shit like 4chan and tumblr. We’ve got wingnut “lefties” SJWs that think every act against minorities are micro aggressions and we’ve got wingnut “righties” that think the concept of taxes is theft but then refuse to employ the solution to remove that from their lives.
It’s because these SJWs and Tax=Theft people don’t REALLY care about the cause half as much as they’d have us believe.
People stay because culture matters.
“Taxation=theft(robbery, actually, since taxes are paid due to the threat of force by the payee)” makes far more sense than “You justly owe taxes because the Federal Government says so.” I think it would be the easier argument to make in a debate.
Soooooo…they should just accept the fact that their money was stolen and not accept anything in return. I oppose burglary, so I abandoned my home and all of my belongings when someone broke in and stole my TV. Everything in my house could have been taken, so it was all involved in the burglary as far as I’m concerned. The police tried to return that TV, but I told them to keep that rotten garbage-I’m no burglar.
#principled
Not a Trump supporter? fine. Did’nt vote for him? Fine. Hate the GOP? Fine. But how can you be this fucking stupid? Why would anyone give a dollar to see this stupid bitch’s movies?
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‘Taxation = theft’ makes no sense, as a thief never gives back some (if not all, or even more) of one’s ‘stolen’ money in the form of goods and/or services.
If one wants to pursue the conceit that taxation is a form of crime, the best one can do is assert that taxation is a form of extortion. But I suppose that doesn’t make for nearly as catchy a meme.
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Culture matters? I think people stay because they know life in areas without government aren’t nearly as appealing as the USA. They aren’t actually taking the steps to get out of a situation that has a solution.
What really matters is high speed internet, good paying jobs, pizza on speed dial. They aren’t going to Kuwait where they won’t be taxed on their income. On forums taxation is theft. In real life? No way would we leave this deal!
As a corollary to your point, when the house catches fire and the fire department shows up to put it out, wouldn’t the (principled) Tax=Theft wingnut refuse the service and simply demand the money back?
Especially dumb since Harris County (where Houston is) is reliably Blue.
The principled tax-supporter should voluntarily give everything he has.
The principled statist should demand one government for all of earth.
The principled “taxation=theft” person should refuse to pay taxes and start shooting when someone comes for those taxes.
The principled anti-statist should move to an uninhabited planet.
I think the principled tax-supporter has the easiest route to his utopia.
Of course. This notion of ‘I was forced to pay into this unjust system, so I’m justified in violating my principles by participating in said system’ is nothing but a rationalization. I dare say that if any of us lived in a country wherein taxes were used to support chattel slavery, none of us would accept their govt-issued slave simply on the grounds of ‘Well, I paid for him, so I might as well take him and put him to use.’
Likewise, no one would truly countenance living in a locale where roughly 1/3 of their money was stolen from them every year, simply because they liked the culture. But this is the sort of credulity-straining proposition one has to defend when one’s rhetoric get way out ahead of actual beliefs/principles. It’s akin to the ludicrousness one finds if they chase the Abortion is murder meme down its rabbit hole.
Finally, as libertarians readily accept a certain, limited role for government (national defense, policing, and enforcement of contracts), and such a government must be funded by taxes, it quickly becomes apparent that the libertarian position is not ‘taxation = theft,’ but rather ‘taxation needed to support government activities above and beyond those which I deem necessary is theft.’ So it could easily be argued that ‘taxation = theft’ is prima facie false as a statement of libertarian principles.
What would you do? Refuse your government-issued slave so that someone else could take him? In your scenario, slavery is as much a fact-of-life(“government-issued” would mean that the government owns the guy) as taxes, so that would make no sense. “I can treat this guy, who has no chance of being free, well; but I’d rather see him go to someone that may abuse him.” Makes sense.
Listen to yourself. You are actually asserting you would be a slave-owner rather than simply admit that the meme ‘taxation is theft’ is an inaccurate overstatement of libertarian principles.
I think my point above has been made.
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If owning slaves was popular enough for the government to provide slaves, you would either take your slave or knowingly allow another to own him. That’s all I’m saying. Those would be your options. You could leave the country and give slaveowners more land, I suppose.