The Stupid Thread 2 (Part 1)

I am literally dyslexic, no gotcha games here.

Hopefully Forbes is corporatist enough. US was 17th in 2017. The article makes sure to take shots at anti immigration laws and trade wars as bad for business.

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I was thinking of that ā€œbusiness freedom indexā€ I’ve seen posted here before. From a Google, it looks like America doesn’t top that list anymore. Color me shocked

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Fair points

So much so you can’t even spell ā€œForrestā€ in ā€œForrest Gumpā€ correctly … honestly how can I take you seriously from this point on?

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I rest my case…?

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If no cost exists why not get rid of taxation all together? I know you’d be a fan.

As for the article I don’t buy the whole ā€œyou’re better off than othersā€ argument. So simply because we don’t have the extreme poverty of someone else legislation should be centered around making things easier for the people here who have by far the most?

Not necessarily disagreeing with anything here but I don’t see this as a feather in the cap for ā€œwe need to drastically reduce taxes on the wealthy.ā€

People are dumb. Nothing really wrong with what you said.

I never noticed there are two "r"s in ā€œforrestā€ until now for some reason.

What a dumb ass

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I’m inclined to believe that which is indelible in his hippocampus.

Too soon?

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Never.

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Do as I say…

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Listen, you can’t expect her to know things like the law when she’s just trying to do the morally right thing!

So if the poor are essentially unaffected by progressive income tax rates, they’re irrelevant when discussing income tax policy (spending is another matter).

Every dollar the wealthy don’t remit in tax they either spend, invest or give (those are essentially the 3 things you can do with money). So you balance the government’s revenue against how much growth/investment/hiring/economic activity you want.

In the case of a growing economy (such as 2018) lowering the individual income tax rates results in an increase income tax receipts to the government. So everybody should be happy.

Now right leaning and left leaning economists will argue about optimal tax levels all day. But even Keynesians and other lefties will admit that dollars are allocated way more efficiently by individuals and businesses than by government, when the goal is economic growth.

Also I find your perspective odd. The top 20% pay over 80% of taxes. So any change in tax rate is going to benefit/harm them more since, they pay all the taxes.

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Nope. That’s not how taxes work for low income people.

Changing income taxes ala tax bill absolutely impacts low income people.

But not when discussing what the government does or could have done instead of a tax cut.

What would people who make under 300,000 do with the money? Do they do something different? Do the rich never save? Won’t people who make less than that do the same?

I realize this. Although as you put out they don’t pay all the taxes. And they aren’t the only people who pay taxes on things they purchase.

What else could be done with money that is estimated to cost over 2 trillion in 10 years. Hell you could build a few walls. Also note that I’m not really saying tax cuts are wrong or even that this was horrible legislation. Just having a discussion.

It has, as yet, been one tax year. I’m not so sure that the USA won’t replicate the Uk experience on Corp tax (namely that receipts for Corp tax will rise due to the drop.

It may not be immediate, but I’m not convinced of this permanent gap in receipt intake.

Happy to do a mea culpa if they DO result in a permenent reduction in receipts.

With the level of the drop, we’d need to see INSANE growth for it to be a net positive to the govt. I don’t think that’s ever really been a question apart from the herpderp trickle down people.

What was UKs before/after tax rate?

Quoting from memory here, but I think it went from 35-20 and then subsequently 17.5%

It was 30-17, so not dissimilar to the US drop. Not that the rate alone tells anything close to the whole story.

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https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/ca3e5bd2-2a7e-11e7-9ec8-168383da43b7

The receipt data.

Right, I think the issue will be the absolute value. Spitballing but America’s drop of ~39% to 21% (ignoring how they didn’t really touch deductions, so effective is a larger swing) would mean we need like 80% growth to equal out those receipts.

I’m not sure if America can afford 8% growth right now, given how the tax drop had virtually no impact on wages

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