The Stupid Thread 2 (Part 1)

Take the legal advice, leave the cannoli.

Why would we want high paying jobs when we can get welfare!!!

Yahoo is crushing it today

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Lol you shoulda clicked the article. Seems to be how much these cities are whoring themselves out trying to land the new HQ.

I would certainly be pissed if I was a local. I’m not in favor of subsidizing uber profitable companies either

I could have guessed that’s what it said.

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Your comment seems silly then :stuck_out_tongue:

Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t notice any mention of subsidies in the article. I think it quoted the lady talking about tax breaks.

This is either a solid reference, or a legitimate question. If a reference, the fact that I could not tell right away only adds to the quality of the reference haha.

If legitimate question, near mythical capitalist figure in Ayn Rand’s ā€œAtlas Shruggedā€

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Is there a practical difference between subsidizing a company and giving them a tax break?

I understand the schedule & method by which the government pays them isn’t the same.

One is giving away other people’s money while the other is letting them keep more of their own?

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DC is giving 550 million in grants, but less financial incentives overall. New York sounds like it’s all tax break incentives. But the financials aren’t public yet, I don’t think.

The bigger issues are gentrification, infrastructure, traffic, etc. Adding 20,000 new, well-to-do people to a small area in less than 10 years will cause severe growing pains. It will also bring a lot of positives.

A subsidy is provided with the property of others. A tax break is given by not taking as much of the recipient’s property. At least, that’s the way I view each.

Yes-very much different.

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Right, which is why I said practically. Cash is cash to a business, especially when either way has the same effect on net income.

See above

Not if you think being mad about cities ā€œwhoring themselves outā€ is a really dumb way at looking at like 25,000 new high paying jobs.

Who pays when someone doesn’t pay their fair share?

Yeah-Yeah, but those jobs also help the business.
#helpisnthelpifitbenefitsthehelperinanyway

Ya, and the city generate income tax revenue, sales revenue, etc…

My math’s not too good, maybe someone can help me out here:

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/local/amazon-hq2-3-billion-in-state-city-tax-breaks-draws-company-to-new-york/71-614113376

The socialist, excuse me, the democratic socialist in the article doesn’t know what she’s talking about, per usual.

'Tis better that 25,001 suffer than that 25,000 do well while one suffers. Or something. Seems to work well everywhere it’s tried.

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That phrase is only in the 1400 page novel 100 times, hardly subtle. Great novel btw. Enjoyed The Fountainhead and Virtue of Selfishness also. Never did get around to We The Living.

Guessing you’re a fan as well given the username @atlas13 . While I’m no Randroid reading her as a kid got me interested in epistemology and reading other philosophers.

Haha well I didn’t know if you had read it!

My username actually has nothing to do with Rand, based on Atlas in the mythological context. Weight of the world on his shoulders seemed a badass (if egotistical and entirely innacurate given my strength levels…) username for a weight lifting forum. 13 because… well ā€œAtlasā€ was already taken and 13 was the first number to pop in my head.

But, I do really enjoy Rand. Atlas Shrugged was my favorite, Fountainhead was good but honestly, I could never quite get over how insufferable the main character was. The (consensual?) rape scene in the book also threw me off. Not my place to say what got Ayn Rand off, but it ruined the character for me.

While a pretty big fan of capitalism, not a Rand addict. The books were great and entertaining, but when people reference them as how a system should work I’m always left thinking ā€œWell yeah, it’s fiction, of course it worked. That’s always what happens when you control the endingā€¦ā€

Props for making me google a word…

But I agree, reading it young made me think, was definitely a step into more philosophical works, which ultimately (along with other factors) led to me picking political science as my major. Would definitely recommend the book to anyone, though wouldn’t quite recommend drinking the cool-aid

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