The South Must Rise Again

[Marmadogg]

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Ron33 -

If what you say is true - why are there so many damned Yankees in Texas?

Our shool district just hired a new coach. Mind you were are in BFE, and have a total school enrollment of 206 (k-12).

The sumbitch is from Minnesota. Can’t understand a word he says - yah.

Now you have a problem with people from the north.

WTF?

You are a mess.

Except for the obvious fact that I am a Texan, and it is a documented fact that we are just a little bit better than everyone - I don’t think I exceed that natural level of superiority over anyone.

And yes - coach is fond of the “don’t chah know”. We watched game film last night, and I was laughing everytime he would interject - much like they would probably do to me if I were ever to coach high school football in Minnesota. [/quote]

Laughing at a different accent is just plain ignorant.

I find it refreshing that not everyone talks the same in this country although I prefer southern and midwest accents to northeast accents.

[Marmadogg]

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
Southerns are not lazy. That stereotype is ridiculous!

Lazy may be the wrong word, but they have lived for years in abject poverty. It is not news that the south is poor. They have been for years.

The New Deal promised them a chance to get out of that poverty, and it worked for a while.

Now the South is growing out of the Yellow-dog mentality, and trying to gain wealth the old fashioned way - by doing it themselves.

NC, Ga, Fl, TX are all exploding with industry and earning power is going up for the average southerner. They are still poor, but moving in the right direction after deciding to take the gov’t tit out of their mouth. [/quote]

The southeast is the fastest growing region in the country and it is an area we have been focusing on for the past several years.

[doogie]

[quote]rainjack wrote:

The sumbitch is from Minnesota. Can’t understand a word he says - yah.

[/quote]

Do they play 6-man in Minnesota?

[rainjack]

[quote]doogie wrote:
rainjack wrote:

The sumbitch is from Minnesota. Can’t understand a word he says - yah.

Do they play 6-man in Minnesota?[/quote]

Not that I know of - this is his first 6-man gig.

[rainjack]

[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Laughing at a different accent is just plain ignorant.

I find it refreshing that not everyone talks the same in this country although I prefer southern and midwest accents to northeast accents.[/quote]

Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. Every dialect in this country is laughed at, or ade fun of to some degree. whether it tis the west coast valley girl/surfer dude to the upper midwest, to Chicago, to Maine to the deep south, to Texas.

It is not a sign of ignorance - just noticing the differences. When I go to NYC - I am begged by store owners to talk for them. They get a kick out of it. What’s the big deal? I don’t think they are ignorant to wnat to hear language spoken in a way the rarely hear it.

Prejudice is ignorant.

[Wreckless]

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Ron33 -

If what you say is true - why are there so many damned Yankees in Texas?

Our shool district just hired a new coach. Mind you were are in BFE, and have a total school enrollment of 206 (k-12).

The sumbitch is from Minnesota. Can’t understand a word he says - yah.

[/quote]

Could be worse, they could have hired Thibaudeau. He’d probably talk French just to piss you off. I know I would.

[anon31651765]

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
Laughing at a different accent is just plain ignorant.

I find it refreshing that not everyone talks the same in this country although I prefer southern and midwest accents to northeast accents.

Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. Every dialect in this country is laughed at, or ade fun of to some degree. whether it tis the west coast valley girl/surfer dude to the upper midwest, to Chicago, to Maine to the deep south, to Texas.

It is not a sign of ignorance - just noticing the differences. When I go to NYC - I am begged by store owners to talk for them. They get a kick out of it. What’s the big deal? I don’t think they are ignorant to wnat to hear language spoken in a way the rarely hear it.

Prejudice is ignorant. [/quote]

I get a huge kick out of it… and I remember my Italian grandfather saying the exact same thing about Texas when he went there- "They begged me to talk for’em, and said, “Down here, you got the accent”.

Chewie, I didn’t write this article- it was written by Dwayne Wickham.

What I thought was ironic was the same that in all the states that are classic red states (after the 1965 shift from the “Solid South”) are also the poorest and most overweight.

Now, I’m not saying Southerners are either dumb or lazy. What I am saying is that the GOP they admire so much has not done anything to help them out. Again, social issues take precedence over economic ones- abortion and boys kissing is apparently more important than taking people out of poverty.

HH knocked the Great Society program- as I recall, that was the only time that the poverty gap between blacks and whites actually shrunk. Horrific I know, but it happened once…and LBJ was even a Southerner himself.

I’m not interested in a North-South battle here. We whooped your asses once, and there’s no need to reenact it.

I’m talking politics here.

[BigRagoo]

[quote]rainjack wrote:
And yes - coach is fond of the “don’t chah know”. We watched game film last night, and I was laughing everytime he would interject - much like they would probably do to me if I were ever to coach high school football in Minnesota. [/quote]

Hahaha, I knew it. And people, it’s just funny to laugh at accents. We all have one. It’s not racist or prejudice to do so. Only if it’s demeaning banter against said accent. Believe me, having a cajun accent is the funniest thing in the world for others to hear.

[Marmadogg]

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
Laughing at a different accent is just plain ignorant.

I find it refreshing that not everyone talks the same in this country although I prefer southern and midwest accents to northeast accents.

Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. Every dialect in this country is laughed at, or ade fun of to some degree. whether it tis the west coast valley girl/surfer dude to the upper midwest, to Chicago, to Maine to the deep south, to Texas.

It is not a sign of ignorance - just noticing the differences. When I go to NYC - I am begged by store owners to talk for them. They get a kick out of it. What’s the big deal? I don’t think they are ignorant to wnat to hear language spoken in a way the rarely hear it.

Prejudice is ignorant. [/quote]

Laughing at someone because they speak differently is ignorant.

Asking someone to repeat something because they like the way is sounds is not the same thing.

I agree that prejudice is ignorant as well.

[Chewie]

Now, I’m not saying Southerners are either dumb or lazy. What I am saying is that the GOP they admire so much has not done anything to help them out. Again, social issues take precedence over economic ones- abortion and boys kissing is apparently more important than taking people out of poverty.

This is more than likely because of the overwhelming prevalence of religion in the south. It isn’t called the “bible belt” for nothing.

I’m not interested in a North-South battle here. We whooped your asses once, and there’s no need to reenact it.

Resorting to insults, eh?

[anon31651765]

[quote]chewie wrote:

I’m not interested in a North-South battle here. We whooped your asses once, and there’s no need to reenact it.

Resorting to insults, eh?
[/quote]

Ha.

It’s not insulting. It’s History.

[ron33]

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Ron33 -

If what you say is true - why are there so many damned Yankees in Texas?

Our shool district just hired a new coach. Mind you were are in BFE, and have a total school enrollment of 206 (k-12).

The sumbitch is from Minnesota. Can’t understand a word he says - yah.

[/quote]RJ ,This is the way it has been for years unfortunately,most of the companies that were hear have shut down or moved south,you are right that alot of these people are now moving south for the jobs .i know several people that had to move south to keep working for the same company.

I should have clarified i didnt mean that all the people from the south were lazy,the ones who came first were usually go getters, but then they would bring in their friends and relatives and get them a job and these were generally the ones that would lay down and think they didnt have to do anything.

[Jack_Dempsey]

There are fundamental differences that go back to the founding of the country.

Rapid modernization, scientific and technological progress, internal improvements (especially in transportation) were all things most Southern politicians have rejected almost from the beginning and it was still biting them in the ass a few short decades ago.

Add to that the Southern preference for a more laid back, slower paced way of living life…and it’s not really a big shock nor is it anything that can be fixed by voting one way or another.

[ron33]

[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
ron33 wrote:
The midwest area of u.s. where i live has had people from the south coming up for years for the better paying jobs,unfortunately they have been the people who have undercut the wages too,most of them seem content as long as they have enough money for drinkin and dope thats fine.

I know thats going to piss alot of people off,but these people have ruined some very good companies by getting to many of their lazy friends and relatives in them,then start working for lower wages etc. .about the same thing the illegals are doing nowadays.

OMG…that is crazy.[/quote]It s not crazy,its what happened to a safe city that is now going to shit.i guess you could compare to what happened to A.C. until they started to try and bring it back.I have some friends in Mich. that say the same thing is going on there.

[LIFTICVSMAXIMVS]

[quote]Bullmoose wrote:
Excuse an ignorant foreigner, but why is the south so broke? I always imagined Texas in particular to be among the wealthiest states.

[/quote]
Part of it has to do with industry and agriculture. Most of the industry is located in the northern states and tend to generate more revenue and higher paying jobs. The south is more known for agriculture (generally) and as such has a much lower overall income–not to mention agriculture is most typically done by immigrant workers–so even if the jobs exist they aren’t being done by “Americans”.

This is also why food is cheap in this country and why a disproportionate amount of people fall into the obese category. Also, the mass production of food tends to make things cheap and lower in quality–which is also another reason for overal level of obesity in this country.

Man, the South is fatter than the North?! I know a bunch of sausage eatin’ Packers fans that are going to be pissed at loosing the title–speaking of which I got to start working on my ‘winter weight’

[thunderbolt23]

When it comes to poverty and obesity, the South leads the nation ? a distinction that highlights the nexus between low income and bad diets. Obesity and poverty go together like grits and gravy. Poor people have higher rates of obesity because they tend to consume a disproportionately large amount of fatty food.

Also add in that Southern living areas are more spread out, so you walk less to get where you need to go.

Ironically, Southern red states twice voted to send George W. Bush to the White House. On Bush’s watch, a record budget surplus has become a record deficit ? the largest in this nation’s history.

This is stupid, or at worst ignorant. What is ironic about Southerners voting for Bush?

And, for the fourteen thousandth time - Bush didn’t ‘squander’ a surplus. He deserves criticism for spending like a drunken sailor, but he didn’t take a budget surplus and ruin it.

The tax cuts that Bush and the Republican-dominated Congress enacted have done more for this nation’s rich than for the poor and middle class in the South or anywhere else.

Numerically, that is exactly right.

And it ought to make the South rise again when voters there go to the polls in November’s midterm election. Southern voters, once a core constituency of the Democratic Party, have been a reliable Republican voting block for nearly four decades.

And there is an easy explanation for this - the rise of the Left. Not too long ago, an entire region of Zell Millers put a nice check on the GOP’s excesses while agreeing with them on other issues. The Democratic Party changed and emasculated itself, and it has sucked since then.

But the GOP’s economic policies ? policies that have helped fuel the South’s problems with poverty and obesity ? should put that allegiance to the test this year.

Such as? This is conclusory, and doesn’t say how.

And there’s an opening in the new poverty and obesity reports that Democrats should try mightily to exploit.

By doing what? Offering to pass laws so people can marry their toothpaste dispenser? Southerners aren’t likely to buy what the Democrats are selling so long as the left-wing mandarins run the party. Throw a legitimate populist in there, and then maybe.

A family mired in poverty, working hard at full-time jobs and earning less, ought to be open to ideas that will give them an economic boost. Republican voters in these places ought to be threatening to secede from the GOP in the upcoming election.

This is awful - what economic plan is the author referring to? Instead of romanticizing about the hard-workin’, tobacco-chewin’ Southerner, the author ought to actually promote one of those ideas he says Southerners should be open to.

[LIFTICVSMAXIMVS]

[quote]rainjack wrote:
It is not a sign of ignorance - just noticing the differences. When I go to NYC - I am begged by store owners to talk for them. They get a kick out of it. What’s the big deal? I don’t think they are ignorant to wnat to hear language spoken in a way the rarely hear it.
[/quote]

This is probably the coolest you have ever written–now I am intrigued to hear this so called Texan accent.

BTW, isn’t it interesting that the very center of the country is the most “accent neutral”. Living in MN for the last 6 yrs I have become oblivious to the it’s accent but now my parents make fun of me for the way I overstress my long O’s–as in: “oh, yeah! Don’cha know.” Seriously, is there anything more f’d up than a New England accent?

[thunderbolt23]

I’d have every reason to be biased, but in my experience, people love Southern accents - in particular, women.

[rainjack]

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
This is probably the coolest you have ever written–now I am intrigued to hear this so called Texan accent.

BTW, isn’t it interesting that the very center of the country is the most “accent neutral”. Living in MN for the last 6 yrs I have become oblivious to the it’s accent but now my parents make fun of me for the way I overstress my long O’s–as in: “oh, yeah! Don’cha know.” Seriously, is there anything more f’d up than a New England accent?[/quote]

My wife and I were in Cancun a few years ago, and there was a couple there from Brooklyn. I’d get loopie, and beg him to talk in his Brooklyn accent. What’s worse is that I tried to emmulate it.

A drunk Texan trying to say “forget about it”, or How you doin?" with a Brooklyn accent is a recipe for a trainwreck.

[anon31651765]

[quote]rainjack wrote:

My wife and I were in Cancun a few years ago, and there was a couple there from Brooklyn. I’d get loopie, and beg him to talk in his Brooklyn accent. What’s worse is that I tried to emmulate it.

A drunk Texan trying to say “forget about it”, or How you doin?" with a Brooklyn accent is a recipe for a trainwreck. [/quote]

Hahaha.

It sounds bad enough when the Brooklyners do it…drunk Texans must be horrific.

Nothing gets me like a blonde girl with a southern accent though…