The Sopranos

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
carter12 wrote:
Feel free to call me a dumbass but what the fuck was Tony’s dream or whatever about?

Its not a dream. He’s in Purgatory. The beacon in the distance is heaven, and the forest fires represent hell. He is right in the middle, in a kind of Sartre-esque limbo state.

And Tony…I’m not so sure that he will pull through. At least, not for the next four or five weeks.

I think they would rather give the show over to the more volatile captains, especially Christopher, than have Tony still controlling everything.

It will certainly make for a more exciting show.

“Fuck him. I hope that parasite eats his asshole”. Fucking classic.[/quote]

FI, you semi agnostic mother-efer, that is an interesting observation. Seriously that had not occured to me but…dam.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
spartanpower wrote:
So T survived, but now he’s a fucking vegetable. This may end up making this season much more interesting, with a big Jersey power struggle. The New York guys will take a side and it’ll be a bloodbath. It looks like AJ is gonna follow in his dad’s footsteps now…

Oh, you mean with shooting uncle junior. AJ’s a joke. I don’t even think he’d manage that. [/quote]

I meant he’s going to end up falling into a life of crime. He’s basically a fuckup, just like Jackie Jr. was before Vito put one in the back of his head. I doubt he could pull off a hit on Junior, though. He’d probably break down and cry before he pulled the trigger.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
carter12 wrote:
Feel free to call me a dumbass but what the fuck was Tony’s dream or whatever about?

Its not a dream. He’s in Purgatory. The beacon in the distance is heaven, and the forest fires represent hell. He is right in the middle, in a kind of Sartre-esque limbo state.

And Tony…I’m not so sure that he will pull through. At least, not for the next four or five weeks.

I think they would rather give the show over to the more volatile captains, especially Christopher, than have Tony still controlling everything.

It will certainly make for a more exciting show.

“Fuck him. I hope that parasite eats his asshole”. Fucking classic.

FI, you semi agnostic mother-efer, that is an interesting observation. Seriously that had not occured to me but…dam.
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Hahaha. Thank you.

Very slight hints to this- the sign of the cross, along with that thing about death, sin, and disease being on the TV, the bartender saying that Costa Mesa is “always dead”, even the name he picks up (Kevin Finnity? Or “Infinity”?). There are little things here and there that let you know this isn’t just a dream sequence.

When he checks out of that hotel, finally, that will be the episode that he either dies or comes back.

I really dig this show because of the stuff like this. The only thing that can put mafia hits on the same level with metaphysics and philosophy.

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[quote]spartanpower wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
spartanpower wrote:
So T survived, but now he’s a fucking vegetable. This may end up making this season much more interesting, with a big Jersey power struggle. The New York guys will take a side and it’ll be a bloodbath. It looks like AJ is gonna follow in his dad’s footsteps now…

Oh, you mean with shooting uncle junior. AJ’s a joke. I don’t even think he’d manage that.

I meant he’s going to end up falling into a life of crime. He’s basically a fuckup, just like Jackie Jr. was before Vito put one in the back of his head. I doubt he could pull off a hit on Junior, though. He’d probably break down and cry before he pulled the trigger.[/quote]

Yeah. Probably. It will be interesting to see what happens with him this season.

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[quote]biltritewave wrote:

  1. More shots of meadow dancing in lingerie are needed…immediately.
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Amen. Jamie’s lookin good

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hahaha. Thank you.

Very slight hints to this- the sign of the cross, along with that thing about death, sin, and disease being on the TV, the bartender saying that Costa Mesa is “always dead”, even the name he picks up (Kevin Finnity? Or “Infinity”?). There are little things here and there that let you know this isn’t just a dream sequence.

When he checks out of that hotel, finally, that will be the episode that he either dies or comes back.

I really dig this show because of the stuff like this. The only thing that can put mafia hits on the same level with metaphysics and philosophy.
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Not to stroke your ego too much, but you are one quick-witted and observant mo-fo!! I’m very impressed.

Admit it… you Tivo’d it and watched it 15 times while taking notes to collaborate all this, didn’t you? Well, I mean, that’s what I would have had to do…

You should change your screen name to “ReadsBetweenTheLines”.

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[quote]Blood is Metal wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hahaha. Thank you.

Very slight hints to this- the sign of the cross, along with that thing about death, sin, and disease being on the TV, the bartender saying that Costa Mesa is “always dead”, even the name he picks up (Kevin Finnity? Or “Infinity”?). There are little things here and there that let you know this isn’t just a dream sequence.

When he checks out of that hotel, finally, that will be the episode that he either dies or comes back.

I really dig this show because of the stuff like this. The only thing that can put mafia hits on the same level with metaphysics and philosophy.

Not to stroke your ego too much, but you are one quick-witted and observant mo-fo!! I’m very impressed.

Admit it… you Tivo’d it and watched it 15 times while taking notes to collaborate all this, didn’t you? Well, I mean, that’s what I would have had to do…

You should change your screen name to “ReadsBetweenTheLines”.[/quote]

Haha. Too much philosophy and heavy reading.

Not too mention, nothing on the Sopranos is without meaning- every little thing has some motive or effect.

Anyways, did anyone else find Edie Flaco’s hospital scene heartbreaking (her talking over “American Girl”). Christ, I felt like I was getting all teary eyed and all. She’s getting the Emmy…

This is why I love the show though. For such an abominable human being, there is a lot of sympathy for Tony’s character. If I read about someone like him being put in jail, or assasinated Boondock Saints style, I would not give a fuck about him.

But this show really changed alot of things. There’s nothing like getting to know the Devil’s right hand man. Ironic.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
carter12 wrote:
Feel free to call me a dumbass but what the fuck was Tony’s dream or whatever about?

Its not a dream. He’s in Purgatory. The beacon in the distance is heaven, and the forest fires represent hell. He is right in the middle, in a kind of Sartre-esque limbo state.

And Tony…I’m not so sure that he will pull through. At least, not for the next four or five weeks.

I think they would rather give the show over to the more volatile captains, especially Christopher, than have Tony still controlling everything.

It will certainly make for a more exciting show.

“Fuck him. I hope that parasite eats his asshole”. Fucking classic.[/quote]

Nice take on the metaphors bro. I read an interview recently with Gandolfini wherein he acknowledged he knew that the shooting was in the script for this season - he basically said it was a good thing b/c the other characters would enjoy more development this season. Bottom line - I think Tony passes or the hospital saga and recovery is played out over more than half the season - its clear he won’t be a major player in the near future.

AJ in the family?? LOL. Not gonna happen. I know writing is creative, but aint that much creativity there to work with to make his moving into the family biz a believable character development.

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Even after Tony pulls through (I am assuming that he does), he will have a long recovery period where some of his capo’s may have be going to him for advice, kind of like Tony has been going to Junior for advice.
One thought that crossed my mind after Tony’s trip to purgatory, he might be torn between good and evil a little more, which might open him up to working with the feds on the terrorist issues that are sure to come up. If he survives, we will probably see a whole lot of Melfi, as Tony tries to make sense of everything. Kind of reminiscent of what happened to Chrissy when he got shot.

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Tony Soprano is the show, and the show is Tony Soprano. There are some good characters on the show, but Gandolfini’s potrayal of TS is unparalleled. That’s why he makes $1M an episode. To push him into the background is a mistake. Other HBO programs turned to shit when the writers began experimenting (Six Feet Under, anyone?); so, I hope Chase and Co. remember the magic formula and don’t screw it up (like Coca Cola and New Coke–what a disaster).

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Blood is Metal wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hahaha. Thank you.

Very slight hints to this- the sign of the cross, along with that thing about death, sin, and disease being on the TV, the bartender saying that Costa Mesa is “always dead”, even the name he picks up (Kevin Finnity? Or “Infinity”?). There are little things here and there that let you know this isn’t just a dream sequence.

When he checks out of that hotel, finally, that will be the episode that he either dies or comes back.

I really dig this show because of the stuff like this. The only thing that can put mafia hits on the same level with metaphysics and philosophy.

Not to stroke your ego too much, but you are one quick-witted and observant mo-fo!! I’m very impressed.

Admit it… you Tivo’d it and watched it 15 times while taking notes to collaborate all this, didn’t you? Well, I mean, that’s what I would have had to do…

You should change your screen name to “ReadsBetweenTheLines”.

Haha. Too much philosophy and heavy reading.

Not too mention, nothing on the Sopranos is without meaning- every little thing has some motive or effect.

Anyways, did anyone else find Edie Flaco’s hospital scene heartbreaking (her talking over “American Girl”). Christ, I felt like I was getting all teary eyed and all. She’s getting the Emmy…

This is why I love the show though. For such an abominable human being, there is a lot of sympathy for Tony’s character. If I read about someone like him being put in jail, or assasinated Boondock Saints style, I would not give a fuck about him.

But this show really changed alot of things. There’s nothing like getting to know the Devil’s right hand man. Ironic.[/quote]

the edie falco scene was really intense, i agree. i dont like tom petty that much, but that was perfect for that scene

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  1. Tony is not dying. That would be totally outside the spirit of the show. If they wanted him dead, it wouldn’t have been done like this. His trip through purgatory is a set up to some crazy self-reflective shit that is going to go down in the later episodes this season. What he experiences in these dream sequences will have repercussions for those around him in the real world.

  2. It wouldn’t surprise if AJ did kill Junior. The writers want you to think he’s a dumbfuck pussy. But he strikes me as incredibly ANGRY and full of repressed violence - perfect sociopathic qualities for a killer - he just hasn’t been pushed to that point yet, but perhaps he will, and once he kills - I think he’ll enjoy the feeling and want to do it again. He’s a scary kid in that pent up Columbine way. Remember Tony’s a sociopath, every male influence in AJ’s life is pretty much sociopathic, so what’s not to say the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree?

  3. I want to say where they go with the budding beef between Chrissy/Pauly vs. Vito - should be interesting - squabbling within the crew and TS isn’t around to keep it in check?

  4. What are Johnny Sac and Phil Leotardo going to do now that TS isn’t around? How wil they take advantage of the situation? Let’s face it, without TS keeping things in check the North Jersey family are a bunch of goons. TS is the brains behind the operation.

  5. I’m always amazed at the brilliance of the writing on this show - they make us forget how big a piece of shit TS is as a human being - even in purgatory he was going to cheat on his wife - and then he got outed by his “guilt” (the spotlight) - crazy shit.

Contrary to popular opinion, it was a good episode - however, I think once the season is over, we’ll have to come back and look at it to really get it. But they definitely planted a lot of seeds in this one.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Not too mention, nothing on the Sopranos is without meaning- every little thing has some motive or effect.
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That’s the part even most people that are fans of the show miss. There is the delivery method (the Family and the Life) which is the only part most people see. Fortunately for them, tho, that is why the show is a huge success. Because it can appeal to a very wide-spectrum of people, without even really trying.

I am also a big fan of Carnivale. There is another show that has a rather misleading “delivery method” if you don’t really pay attention. Hope it comes back…

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Possible spoiler

Sorry for the resurrection, but I only have one thing to say.

WHEW!

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Ok, what about the episode where Tony yells at Christopher, “I wanna talk to you” and Christopher replies, “Is this about the Easter baskets?” And Tony says, “I don’t wanna even know about that”. What does that mean? lol

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[quote]Blood is Metal wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Not too mention, nothing on the Sopranos is without meaning- every little thing has some motive or effect.

That’s the part even most people that are fans of the show miss. There is the delivery method (the Family and the Life) which is the only part most people see. Fortunately for them, tho, that is why the show is a huge success. Because it can appeal to a very wide-spectrum of people, without even really trying.

I am also a big fan of Carnivale. There is another show that has a rather misleading “delivery method” if you don’t really pay attention. Hope it comes back…

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I don’t know what else they could do in Carnivale, since what’s his name already took out the preacher. And man, that second season was slow as hell.

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[quote]Krollmonster wrote:
I don’t know what else they could do in Carnivale, since what’s his name already took out the preacher. And man, that second season was slow as hell.
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Brother Justin’s daughter (Sophie) got “what he had” at the end of the last episode… and Justin isn’t dead… (at least that’s how they made it look).

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thank god tony’s back

should make for some interesting episodes coming up

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While in purgatory, doesn’t Tony’s wife’s voice sound like the old mercedes dealer?? Gloria Trillo?

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Did anyone else laugh their asses off when Sil was making rulings whilst taking a dump? Can’t a guy get a little privacy?