The Social Experiment

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OK im glad you started this after we discussed it in my thread.
Since I am coming off I can report the opposite of your results, namely the behavioural changes when one has LOW T.

But for HIGH androgens levels, look for these traits:

  • They place more faith in your judgement
  • In a group of people (e.g. friends), you are the one who is complemented the most
  • More respect received from peers
  • More female attention
  • Better job oppotunities (if applicable)

These are just a couple of things I noticed while I was on, IMO they are NOT related just to the way YOU behave while on cycle but something else.

SB

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
You’re going to cop a lot of ridicule, but I applaud your interest.

Just from my personal experience from interacting with my friends who have been on, I’d say yes on superficial level, but more from the sense that hormones influence our OWN behavior which in turn influences how others react to us. Ive seen similar stuff to what you are proposing before, but as the saying goes in science: when you hear hoofbeats think horses not zebras.

Higher testosterone (or androgen in general perhaps, i think its of some importance to note not all androgen act the same, we know DHT is more active in the brain and nervous system than testosterone itself is, similarly i imagine other androgen behave differently in different tissues) probably increases your confidence which in turn promotes confident behavior and body language which is attractive to women. - this would be a relatively simple explanation, compared to the complex one of people suggesting women can “smell” or “sense” higher testosterone.

The other thing to consider I suppose is because its making you more confident, it might be influencing your perception to think that women are viewing you more favorably - true or not. There’s plenty of dudes who get delusions of grandiose while on cycle so I don’t think its much of a stretch.

So yeah, will be interested in seeing the forthcoming discussion, but my theory is its probably largely a direct product of your behavior and the impact of any “pheromone” or similar interaction is small at best.
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I knew there would be someone who says ‘pheromones’ or the ‘alpha-smell’ (as I like to call it) are not what influences behavioural changes in people.
I disagree with your theory, I think its a combination of the smell and ones own behaviour that attracts all the good things while on cycle.

To be honest this experiment is pure speculation as we do not have any scientific results which will be presented, but from EXPERIENCE I can safely say that there is something other then confidence that attracts the women, jobs, respect etc.
I think it has to do with the survival mechanism, women sense the higher levels of Testosterone and naturally are programmed to want to ‘mate’ with this Alpha Male as he will supposedly have the best genes and also be more able to protect her offspring.

SB

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
You’re going to cop a lot of ridicule, but I applaud your interest.

Just from my personal experience from interacting with my friends who have been on, I’d say yes on superficial level, but more from the sense that hormones influence our OWN behavior which in turn influences how others react to us. Ive seen similar stuff to what you are proposing before, but as the saying goes in science: when you hear hoofbeats think horses not zebras.

Higher testosterone (or androgen in general perhaps, i think its of some importance to note not all androgen act the same, we know DHT is more active in the brain and nervous system than testosterone itself is, similarly i imagine other androgen behave differently in different tissues) probably increases your confidence which in turn promotes confident behavior and body language which is attractive to women. - this would be a relatively simple explanation, compared to the complex one of people suggesting women can “smell” or “sense” higher testosterone.

The other thing to consider I suppose is because its making you more confident, it might be influencing your perception to think that women are viewing you more favorably - true or not. There’s plenty of dudes who get delusions of grandiose while on cycle so I don’t think its much of a stretch.

So yeah, will be interested in seeing the forthcoming discussion, but my theory is its probably largely a direct product of your behavior and the impact of any “pheromone” or similar interaction is small at best.
[/quote]

I knew there would be someone who says ‘pheromones’ or the ‘alpha-smell’ (as I like to call it) are not what influences behavioural changes in people.
I disagree with your theory, I think its a combination of the smell and ones own behaviour that attracts all the good things while on cycle.

To be honest this experiment is pure speculation as we do not have any scientific results which will be presented, but from EXPERIENCE I can safely say that there is something other then confidence that attracts the women, jobs, respect etc.
I think it has to do with the survival mechanism, women sense the higher levels of Testosterone and naturally are programmed to want to ‘mate’ with this Alpha Male as he will supposedly have the best genes and also be more able to protect her offspring.

SB[/quote]

they definitely pick up on the confidence you are correct… i was chatting up this cute girl in the gym yesterday while her fat boyfriend (idk HOW he landed her) stood off in the distance and glared.

she was giggling and blushing like crazy and came over to talk to me after i walked off to finish my training… i wouldnt have done that if he werent fat, fuck fatties.

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Fuck yes, I’m starting my cycle soon, same as you, and can’t wait for the so-called “alpha-smell.”

Keep this up, its wildly entertaining

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@ Mr. Walkway, I agree the confidence gets them but IMO the confidence is evident (e.g. through speech, body posture etc) to them AFTER they notice you, but do you think its confidence that attracts them in the first place? Can confidence even attract someone without you expressing confidence?

I think my words are a little cloudy but I hope you can grasp what I am trying to say, my point is the confidence comes out after they begin talking to you, but what about the initial interest? I think thats where the ‘alpha-smell’ works its magic.

SB

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
@ Mr. Walkway, I agree the confidence gets them but IMO the confidence is evident (e.g. through speech, body posture etc) to them AFTER they notice you, but do you think its confidence that attracts them in the first place? Can confidence even attract someone without you expressing confidence?

I think my words are a little cloudy but I hope you can grasp what I am trying to say, my point is the confidence comes out after they begin talking to you, but what about the initial interest? I think thats where the ‘alpha-smell’ works its magic.

SB[/quote]

true, but like i said… I was chatting some girl up… she had no choice but to acknowledge/notice me AND recognize my confidence

no matter how attractive you are… girls will NOT approach you lol… and if they do, head for the hills because they have VD

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I have been approached while on cycle, but not off cycle lol (just a coincidence? maybe).
But yeah you are mostly right, most girls will not approach but will definetly show attraction in various ways.

SB

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
I have been approached while on cycle, but not off cycle lol (just a coincidence? maybe).
But yeah you are mostly right, most girls will not approach but will definetly show attraction in various ways.

SB[/quote]
Does “attraction” include bending over, directly in front of you, to pick up weights on the bottom rack?

This seems to be a common theme lately, although, it could just all be in my head too.

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[quote]tapitdeep wrote:

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
I have been approached while on cycle, but not off cycle lol (just a coincidence? maybe).
But yeah you are mostly right, most girls will not approach but will definetly show attraction in various ways.

SB[/quote]
Does “attraction” include bending over, directly in front of you, to pick up weights on the bottom rack?

This seems to be a common theme lately, although, it could just all be in my head too.[/quote]

Depends, if it reveals a hairy ball-sack I would not class that as attraction to your alpha-smell.

SB

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:

[quote]tapitdeep wrote:

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
I have been approached while on cycle, but not off cycle lol (just a coincidence? maybe).
But yeah you are mostly right, most girls will not approach but will definetly show attraction in various ways.

SB[/quote]
Does “attraction” include bending over, directly in front of you, to pick up weights on the bottom rack?

This seems to be a common theme lately, although, it could just all be in my head too.[/quote]

Depends, if it reveals a hairy ball-sack I would not class that as attraction to your alpha-smell.

SB[/quote]

he left himself wide open for that one didnt he

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[quote]tapitdeep wrote:

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
I have been approached while on cycle, but not off cycle lol (just a coincidence? maybe).
But yeah you are mostly right, most girls will not approach but will definetly show attraction in various ways.

SB[/quote]
Does “attraction” include bending over, directly in front of you, to pick up weights on the bottom rack?

This seems to be a common theme lately, although, it could just all be in my head too.[/quote]

Women will do that anyways just for attention regardless if your on cycle or not

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

Higher testosterone (or androgen in general perhaps, i think its of some importance to note not all androgen act the same, we know DHT is more active in the brain and nervous system than testosterone itself is, similarly i imagine other androgen behave differently in different tissues) probably increases your confidence which in turn promotes confident behavior and body language which is attractive to women. - this would be a relatively simple explanation, compared to the complex one of people suggesting women can “smell” or “sense” higher testosterone.

[/quote]

I knew there would be someone who says ‘pheromones’ or the ‘alpha-smell’ (as I like to call it) are not what influences behavioural changes in people.
I disagree with your theory, I think its a combination of the smell and ones own behaviour that attracts all the good things while on cycle.

To be honest this experiment is pure speculation as we do not have any scientific results which will be presented, but from EXPERIENCE I can safely say that there is something other then confidence that attracts the women, jobs, respect etc.
I think it has to do with the survival mechanism, women sense the higher levels of Testosterone and naturally are programmed to want to ‘mate’ with this Alpha Male as he will supposedly have the best genes and also be more able to protect her offspring.

SB[/quote]

Yeah this…the pheremone theory is actually pretty well defined by science. Women who are ovulating are given sweaty t-shirts and clothing of guys to smell, and they collectively regard the higher T ones as more attractive without ever meeting them or looking at them.

Interestingly, women who are not ovulating tend to find more moderate T guys the sexiest in those studies, suggesting that they are looking for long term partners at that time and just trying to get FUCKED and pass on their genes at others.

Science is awesome.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:

[quote]tapitdeep wrote:

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
I have been approached while on cycle, but not off cycle lol (just a coincidence? maybe).
But yeah you are mostly right, most girls will not approach but will definetly show attraction in various ways.

SB[/quote]
Does “attraction” include bending over, directly in front of you, to pick up weights on the bottom rack?

This seems to be a common theme lately, although, it could just all be in my head too.[/quote]

Depends, if it reveals a hairy ball-sack I would not class that as attraction to your alpha-smell.

SB[/quote]

he left himself wide open for that one didnt he[/quote]

Wide open, like your ass cheeks in the locker room.

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Injected 500mg test e a few minutes ago. Another 500mg tomorrow. From that point on, 250 E2D. I have a girl in mind that haven’t seen in about 10 days and another one I am actually trying to date ATM. Let’s see how this goes.

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More to report.

Ive mostly stayed true to phase 1 at the gym. Outside of their im running phase 2 because i have needs.

The one thing ive noticed at the gym is females in close proximity are constantly adjusting the waistline of their shorts/pants or lifting shirt to reveal abs in the mirror.

Recent social gatherings have been more interesting because of male interactions. At a party I was chatting up a few girls (phase 2 stuff) male friends of these women were trying to discourage them from interacting with me. Waiting until i was not around or pulling them away to tell them they needed to leave etc. The women did not agree and they proceeded to fight among themselves. I tapped out but still got their contact info.

Next week I will proceed to full phase 2 interactions.

Also will have more contact with control subject 1 later this week. The possible infection in my delt turned out to be an oddly placed pimple. Have also been feeling tired as hell lately may need to adjust my AI dose.

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[quote]niksamaras wrote:
Injected 500mg test e a few minutes ago. Another 500mg tomorrow. From that point on, 250 E2D. I have a girl in mind that haven’t seen in about 10 days and another one I am actually trying to date ATM. Let’s see how this goes. [/quote]
Happy hunting, looking forward to getting others experiences on this thread.

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At first I thought this thread was bullshit (and I still think calling it a social experiment is) however, after I started reading the responses and reflecting back on my own experiences I think there is something to it. During my last cycle I noticed it when I would go out one night and have three or four girls all of a sudden seem interested. Like coming up grabbing my hair out of nowhere, feeling my arms, and flirting kind of interested.

This current cycle is NUTS. I’m on a ton of AS, I’m bigger and leaner than ever before and I guess women are picking up on it. I kicked my fiance’ out during the first week of the cycle, a week later found a hotter, younger, cheerleader that I don’t think anybody thought I could’ve ever landed. I’ve gone out to the bar a couple times with a friend (not really to drink, though I had one or two) and these girls and bartender/waitresses who I would’ve wrongfully assumed were out of my league or wouldn’t be interested start getting all giggly around me and keep coming back to us asking if I need anything when I still have 3/4 of a drink left- almost to the point of being annoying. I showed absolutely ZERO interest in them too- which I don’t know if that made it worse. If I wasn’t with the girl I was with now, I would’ve been all over it.
In fact about two weeks ago my friend and I had these two girls who were just aching to get boned and would not stop talking to us/me and I was kind of being a dick or standoffish so they wouldn’t think I was interested, but one of the girls kept trying to rub her leg on mine while she was sitting down at the bar and the other one kept trying to ask me all these questions. I just kinda kept going with it because she had a great rack, lol. On the way out I told my friend, “You know, if I wasn’t with the girl I’m with now, you know they’d be coming home with us right?” He was like, yeah…I know.

Now when I’m seen in public with this new girl it almost makes things worse because she’s ridiculously gorgeous. You can literally see other girls looking at her just filled with hate. Others will randomly give her compliments as we’re walking by. Will update as more things happen. And I know they will.

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Oh right, current cycle just switched over to:

Mast prop 200mg/wk
Test prop 400mg/wk
Tren Ace 300mg/wk
EQ 500mg/wk (only two more weeks)
T3 50mcg/day
Winstrol 50mg/day

After the EQ is done I’m bumping up the dosages on the Mast/Test/Tren and I’ll be adding in more Tren so it’s higher than the Test dosage. Will also be adding back in albuterol in about two weeks.

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this is making me want to run a cycle…

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No updates on this thread?