[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’m tired of voting for the lessor of two evils. Did it with McCain. Did it with Romney. I’m tired of it already and I’m not even 30 yet. [/quote]
Was Romney that bad? I wasn’t as tuned into politics but he didn’t seem like a bad guy. What were the alternatives? The difference I see this election is that there are a lot of good alternatives to Trump.[/quote]
Well said Drew. This is the best field of republican candidates that I’ve ever seen or heard of. Of course the main stream liberal media will not report on that. Anyway, Trump is one man who may or may not be the nominee of the party. I think tonight’s debate might be telling. Can he handle the heat that three or four of the candidates will surely bring? We shall see.
As for Romney he was a good man who ran a lousy campaign. He ran from who he was and allowed Obama to paint him as an out of touch rich guy. Basically, he ran not to lose and when you do that… you lose!
Who on this board today would not have rather seen Romney as President than Obama?
My point is we should always vote for the best of the two candidates. Keeping in mind that the best of the two may only give you 40% of what you want. But the worst of the two will most assuredly give you less, maybe nothing. Yet, some people stay home if the candidate is not their ideal–how foolish. They are in essence working against their own interests!
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As someone who is thoroughly fed up with the tyranny of language the PC left has wrought upon us, I personally love it. [/quote]
Will you love it when we’re in a tense situation with China and he calls Xi Jinping a stupid chink or something equal retarded? [/quote]
Would you love it if Hillary Clinton sells the country down the river to build up the Clinton Foundation finances through a “gift” from China?
If the contest is between a big mouth and a liar, I’ll take the big mouth every time.[/quote]
I’m tired of voting for the lessor of two evils. Did it with McCain. Did it with Romney. I’m tired of it already and I’m not even 30 yet. [/quote]
Well, then don’t expect to vote all that often. The odds of you getting the perfect candidate of your choice is slim. And guess what? When you get your perfect candidate there is someone else saying “I don’t like him I’m staying home.” And your guy loses.
Politics is really about compromise at every level. The guy you think is no good might very well end up being a decent President. And the person whom he’s running against, if she wins, will be another disaster along the lines of Obama. Try to take your emotion out of the equation and vote for the best candidate of the two.
It’s the only way we ever win in the end. Otherwise, if everyone felt as you do our turnout would be dismal.
As I said in the end your perfect candidate is someone else’s nightmare candidate.
Use logic.
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You are misunderstanding. I’m not looking for the perfect candidate. I’m looking for a principled candidate not one I agree 100% with. One that stands for what he says he stands for and the record reflects that. I.e. not Donald Trump.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’m tired of voting for the lessor of two evils. Did it with McCain. Did it with Romney. I’m tired of it already and I’m not even 30 yet. [/quote]
Was Romney that bad? I wasn’t as tuned into politics but he didn’t seem like a bad guy. What were the alternatives? The difference I see this election is that there are a lot of good alternatives to Trump.[/quote]
[quote]Cortes wrote:
How much worse than Romney is Trump? And how so? Please explain.
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Some of Trumps antics going after Megyn Kelly and McCain. They are both on his side, if you are going to attack a news anchor go after MSNBC, not someone who a lot of your supporters like. McCain is also going for re-election. Why attack him? The only reason for some of the attacks I can think of are ego/narcissism.
Trump also has flip flopped on issues, as usmc has previously stated.
Trump has no experience governing and has never held public office. I would trust Carly’s CEO experience over his. Running a real-estate empire is different than a company or a country.
Trump was previously registered as a democrat (I believe, could be wrong, maybe as an independent?) and donated to the Clinton Foundation.
Trump attacking Carly about her looks. I see no place for that in any honest good discussion. Romney got the left fired up about his “binder of women” and said republicans wage a war against woman. That argument is 10x easier if Trump is the candidate.
Trump has promised things he honestly can’t deliver on. Mexico paying for a wall? Deporting 12mil people? Getting rid of birth right citizenship? How would any of that actually be accomplished? Its fun to say when he’s talking to fellow far-right buddies, but there’s no chance that happens.
That’s off the top of my head. I’m sure the candidates tonight will attack him in more better constructed detail and in more depth.
Congress authorized it. Congress could repeal it. It would need a president’s signature (or not veto it).
And no, not talking about the 14th.[/quote]
I was under the understanding that you would have to change the interpretation of the 14th. Could be wrong as once I thought that I ignored the issue as it didn’t seem relavant.
Congress authorized it. Congress could repeal it. It would need a president’s signature (or not veto it).
And no, not talking about the 14th.[/quote]
I was under the understanding that you would have to change the interpretation of the 14th. Could be wrong as once I thought that I ignored the issue as it didn’t seem relavant.[/quote]
The 14th Amendment excluded Native Americans, which required an act of Congress known as the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924. The original case was Elk vs Wilkins.
The next issue was the case of Wong Kim Ark, who argued he was a citizen by being born here even though he had foreign parents. His citizenship was upheld, the problem with that case that his parents were legal residents, aka green card holders, not illegal aliens.
Birthright Citizenship is rare, normally the child is given a Foreign Alien Declaration of Birth and given the citizenship of the mother’s native country, and both are deported.
Trump’s challenge has merit, remember that Obamacare was upheld by SCOTUS even though the wording had been fudged because of it’s “intention.”
Fair enough, and no need to get into a 14th amendment debate and derail the thread. I’m not a constitutional expert so ignore that comment. I think the other points are still valid, which is the basis of my opinion of why I don’t think Trump is a good candidate.
We’ll see what everyone else has to say tonight, I’m sure attacks will all be focused on the front runner.
[quote]Drew1411 wrote:
Fair enough, and no need to get into a 14th amendment debate and derail the thread. I’m not a constitutional expert so ignore that comment. I think the other points are still valid, which is the basis of my opinion of why I don’t think Trump is a good candidate.
We’ll see what everyone else has to say tonight, I’m sure attacks will all be focused on the front runner. [/quote]
I agree that everyone is going after Trump and expose his lack of knowledge on major issues. If Trump got educated and shows it tonight, he is removing just another talking point against him.
Interesting point made on CNN by Dr. Drew Pinksy, that Trump’s supporters are not just angry old Whitey. “Last week, Pinsky brought in an audience of Trump supporters on his HLN show because he wanted â??to understand the Trump phenomenon.â?? He said â??much to my surpriseâ?? many of the people supporting Trump â??are people of color of various races and ethnicities.â??”
Felt like dear ole CNN ambushed the GOP right from the start by starting (& continuing) the questioning with asking for rebuttals of statements made by candidate a against candidate b sometime before this debate.
I thought Christie, Fiorina, Huckabee, and Rubio looked the best, and Carson will start going down from here.
[quote]treco wrote:
Felt like dear ole CNN ambushed the GOP right from the start by starting (& continuing) the questioning with asking for rebuttals of statements made by candidate a against candidate b sometime before this debate. [/quote]
Agree to an extent.
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I thought Christie, Fiorina, Huckabee, and Rubio looked the best, and Carson will start going down from here.[/quote]
I thought Fiorina, Rubio, Bush, and Paul all had good nights. Once again, I thought Fiorina performed the best. Agree on Carson. I like him, but he just doesn’t seem prepared. I thought Trump, Cruz, Christie, Walker, and Huckabee all had an okay night.
Kaisch is the weird one, I though he had a good night, but I’m not sure his kumbaya message is going to resonate. I think he’d make a great VP though.
This may be the last generation where the USA is no. 1. We need to act like it and use our power and muscle to benefit US, not the damn world. A stronger America will by proxy benefit the world.
That’s why arrogance and self-interest sells: Trump
Kaisch is the weird one, I though he had a good night, but I’m not sure his kumbaya message is going to resonate. I think he’d make a great VP though.
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