[quote]admbaum wrote:
If its an economic issue, how can poor people afford to be fat?
Is it because they are poor because they spend all their money getting fat?
I’m bulking, 6kcals/day isnt cheap and I’m lucky when I can be consistent with it.[/quote]
It costs a lot to lead a healthy life style; not even just money, there’s a lot of time spend in planning and execution. A lot of low wage workers have to work 2+ shit jobs to support themselves financially and, in a lot cases, a family as well. They’re limited to availability and convenience of food. Time is a luxury that some don’t have and when they do it boils down to opportunity costs. They have free time but they are too tired from working 6 days a week 2+ jobs each day most of the time on their feet and would much rather recouperate on the couch than walk around a grocery store searching out the best foods for a healthy meal(s) so they get in there grab what they can for the cheapest cost. Even if they have government support there are limitations on what they can use that for too. I can go on and on about this tbh, but it’s lunch time.
Some people are poor because they have bad luck. Most are poor because they’ve made poor choices (or are children of parents that make bad choices). Until a person or group makes smarter choices, they will suffer the consequences of their own decisions.
Granted, if times were truly dire and no one was working, i.e. Great Depression level of suck age - you’d see far fewer fat folks. The poor people in the west have high standards of living historically. Nice clothes, rims on the car, ipods, tv. Of course, they don’t invest that money so the money the’re left with buys the cheep processed food in the center of the supermarket or at McDonalds.
There are exceptions of course, but remember that for every person that is a success through hard work and dedication, there are 10 or more people who are fat, poor and lazy because they want to be.
then the problem isnt economic. People are just fucking lazy. On a 2kcal/day diet, you spend less money than buying a “meal” at McDodo’s. I agree, people are fat because they want to be, no other reason.
[quote]Ranibella wrote:
[quote]admbaum wrote:
If its an economic issue, how can poor people afford to be fat?
Is it because they are poor because they spend all their money getting fat?
I’m bulking, 6kcals/day isnt cheap and I’m lucky when I can be consistent with it.[/quote]
Amongst your ignornant statement, you just answered your own question… it’s expensive eating healthy. I eat very healthy and buying vegetables, quality carbs, quality meat (I only eat chicken breasts and fish) isn’t cheap at all. Over the weekend, I spent about $120 on groceries and pretty much everything I bought is what I’m going to be eating and I will have to make another run to the market sometime before the week ends.
A 1.2kg of fresh salmon that is already skinned is approximately $24 and that will make me 5 meals… I buy about 4lbs of fresh chicken breasts for approximately $17 and that will last me about 6 days. It’s cheaper if I buy frozen but the quality and nutritional value isn’t the same.
Overeating isn’t the sole reason how people become obese… it’s the quality of the food, eating time and lack of time that are major factors… it’s cheaper and convenient to eat one or two meals a day by going to a fast food restaurant, considering the fact in the US, they’re like a dime a dozen.
But hasn’t Australia now taken over the reigns as the worlds’ most obese nation…?
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eating 6kcals/day is eating healthy to you?
My groceries never go over 70 dollars a week. Chicken breast is 2 buck per pound and so is ground beef,perch,whiting fish …lamb is 4.99. I can mix and match and get 10-12 pounds of meat for less than 40 dollars and use the rest for nuts and veggies…still have 5-6 dollars left.
It’s not complicated to cook either nor is it time consuming.
Shit, if someone feeds a family of 4 from kfc that’s nearly a third of my bill for ONE meal.
I think the problem with the low income obese is the availability of fresh things…ever been to the hood and counted the taco bells or md’s? How many corner stores are there? It’s a rare find but you ever see subway?
It’s all in exposure to the good stuff.
Also, I’ll say my grocer is in walking distance of campus where the same “pizza a night 10$” students complain about not having money for good food and weight gain from pizza…you dont have to go to kroger’s there are lots of small grocer’s that have deals that are sick!
right now, Toledo Market (my store) has 40 pounds of chicken breasts for 65 dollars and 3 liters of evoo for 15
[quote]steadfastred wrote:
Some people are poor because they have bad luck. Most are poor because they’ve made poor choices (or are children of parents that make bad choices). Until a person or group makes smarter choices, they will suffer the consequences of their own decisions.
Granted, if times were truly dire and no one was working, i.e. Great Depression level of suck age - you’d see far fewer fat folks. The poor people in the west have high standards of living historically. Nice clothes, rims on the car, ipods, tv. Of course, they don’t invest that money so the money the’re left with buys the cheep processed food in the center of the supermarket or at McDonalds.
There are exceptions of course, but remember that for every person that is a success through hard work and dedication, there are 10 or more people who are fat, poor and lazy because they want to be.[/quote]
No one wants to be poor and very few want to be fat … that leaves us with lazy. I think to further this discussion a few things must be established like what level of “poor” are we referring to, what constitues a lazy person, and so on. I can refute that a lot of “poor” people (meaning low-wage unskilled workers) are far from lazy since some work 2+ jobs to make ends meet but don’t earn enough to really break through the poverty cycle and become locked as low-wage earners.
Then there are “poor” people who work bare-minimum jobs and rely on public programs to give them the rest. Poor isn’t as cut and dry as one would think.
Now, we can talk about fat. Sure we see the morbidley obese walking down the street and they are prevalent. More than likely they are considered middle class since to actually consume that amount of food to gain that much weight you have to actually spend a lot of money which the unskilled, low wage workers just don’t have. We can delve into reasons why and how the morbidely obese actually become morbidely obese if you want.
Now lazy. There are a few types of lazy. There’s the middle-class lazy who work hard at work, most likely sit at a computer all day earning a decent living but come home and eat the easiest meal possible, exerting the least amount of energy possible and kind of slip into a tv induced coma brought on by their high sugar/hfcs diet and the sweet sweet release of insulin takes over. Then there’s the intellectually lazy. Those who identify a problem (being fat) yet do nothing for themselve to educate them on the cause of the problem or possible remidies. They usually wait around for Uncle Sam to come up with a plan to get them out of this mess without connecting the dots to see that it was Uncle Sam’s recommendations on diet that got them into this diabetic mess in the first place.
Lack of knowledge is another thing that keeps the poor fat. Most wealthy people don’t understand proper nutrition and eat like crap, poor people know even less and stick to what they know. Most poor people I have been around eat a TON of carbs in every meal, simply because you can buy bread and tortillas and other types of carbs relatively cheap and they were tought that carbs are good. They are cheap and filling and should be eaten as part of a balanced diet.
[quote]admbaum wrote:
[quote]Ranibella wrote:
[quote]admbaum wrote:
If its an economic issue, how can poor people afford to be fat?
Is it because they are poor because they spend all their money getting fat?
I’m bulking, 6kcals/day isnt cheap and I’m lucky when I can be consistent with it.[/quote]
Amongst your ignornant statement, you just answered your own question… it’s expensive eating healthy. I eat very healthy and buying vegetables, quality carbs, quality meat (I only eat chicken breasts and fish) isn’t cheap at all. Over the weekend, I spent about $120 on groceries and pretty much everything I bought is what I’m going to be eating and I will have to make another run to the market sometime before the week ends.
A 1.2kg of fresh salmon that is already skinned is approximately $24 and that will make me 5 meals… I buy about 4lbs of fresh chicken breasts for approximately $17 and that will last me about 6 days. It’s cheaper if I buy frozen but the quality and nutritional value isn’t the same.
Overeating isn’t the sole reason how people become obese… it’s the quality of the food, eating time and lack of time that are major factors… it’s cheaper and convenient to eat one or two meals a day by going to a fast food restaurant, considering the fact in the US, they’re like a dime a dozen.
But hasn’t Australia now taken over the reigns as the worlds’ most obese nation…?
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eating 6kcals/day is eating healthy to you?[/quote]
Yeah but you’re bulking and that’s not something you’re doing long term, right…? If you’re bulking for quality gains, it is ‘healthy’ but… I… understand why you are bulking. 
I’ve done bulk cycles before, it’s not something I do long term at all. Too much protein for the liver…
[quote]admbaum wrote:
[quote]Ranibella wrote:
[quote]admbaum wrote:
If its an economic issue, how can poor people afford to be fat?
Is it because they are poor because they spend all their money getting fat?
I’m bulking, 6kcals/day isnt cheap and I’m lucky when I can be consistent with it.[/quote]
Amongst your ignornant statement, you just answered your own question… it’s expensive eating healthy. I eat very healthy and buying vegetables, quality carbs, quality meat (I only eat chicken breasts and fish) isn’t cheap at all. Over the weekend, I spent about $120 on groceries and pretty much everything I bought is what I’m going to be eating and I will have to make another run to the market sometime before the week ends.
A 1.2kg of fresh salmon that is already skinned is approximately $24 and that will make me 5 meals… I buy about 4lbs of fresh chicken breasts for approximately $17 and that will last me about 6 days. It’s cheaper if I buy frozen but the quality and nutritional value isn’t the same.
Overeating isn’t the sole reason how people become obese… it’s the quality of the food, eating time and lack of time that are major factors… it’s cheaper and convenient to eat one or two meals a day by going to a fast food restaurant, considering the fact in the US, they’re like a dime a dozen.
But hasn’t Australia now taken over the reigns as the worlds’ most obese nation…?
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eating 6kcals/day is eating healthy to you?[/quote]
You’re missing the point. If you were getting all 6,000 kcal/day from the dollar menu at taco bell, it wouldn’t be expensive AT ALL. Seriously, you can get 1000kcal of food for a little over $2 there. And chances are good you’re exercising also? (Rhetorical question)
Somebody who has little to no physical activity in their life and buys cheap, fast, processed foods for lack of income or education isn’t going to have a hard time getting fat.
Honestly, for me eating healthy is expensive, but I think investing in my health and well being is of the utmost importance thus it is justified. Purchasing fresh fruits and vegetables and organic/grass fed meat is always going to cost a premium, but you only get one body, so you might as well feed it right.
What’s the point in cutting corners with what you put into your body? Save a couple bucks so you can buy an extra video game or see an extra movie? I’d rather spend more on healthy food and get some extra years in return.