As a conservative, southern Baptist, you would think I would be all for Perry. I want to be for him, but the Gardisil issue is a very big deal to me. For any elected official to think that they have the right, through executive order, to force a segment of a population to subject themselves to an injection for a disease that is communicable only through sexual contact, and then only under certain circumstances, well it is just too much for me. It seems almost Orwellian to me. An am surprised that more people are not put off by this.
As for the Joooos…
My conservative, southern Baptist beliefs compel me to support the Jewish people and the State of Israel. I do so in my heart and in my public dealings. I will tell you, however, that in my limited dealings with Jewish people I am tempted to pull them aside and bitch slap the pussy out of them. I rarely encounter more liberal spewing, self hating morons. To a person, they seem to have a fatal attraction with Obama. I do not recall a single action or item of speech from this most anti-Semitic president that would support any love or affection from the Jewish peoples. Can you shed any light on this? I sometimes worry that there will come a time when supportive folks like me will come to the point where they figure if the Jews cannot stand up and look after themselves, then why should we care.
Bachman lost my respect with the Guardisal nonsense. It’s a fucking cancer vaccine. This is a good thing. Stop playing to the luddites in the Republican party and those who think their kids will never sin.
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This is NOT a defense or support for Bachman in any way but on the Gardasil thing, you are wrong, it is NOT a good thing, it is unproven and it has killed children. It should NEVER be a mandatory thing and it just highlights at the state level Perry’s total willingness to check reason and ethics at the door to suit his business interests and seek economic/political capital with deep pockets.
[quote]JEATON wrote:
I want to be for him, but the Gardisil issue is a very big deal to me. For any elected official to think that they have the right, through executive order, to force a segment of a population to subject themselves to an injection for a disease that is communicable only through sexual contact, and then only under certain circumstances, well it is just too much for me. It seems almost Orwellian to me. An am surprised that more people are not put off by this.[/quote]
Yeah! I mean, in what universe are teenagers horny?
As a conservative, southern Baptist, you would think I would be all for Perry. I want to be for him, but the Gardisil issue is a very big deal to me. For any elected official to think that they have the right, through executive order, to force a segment of a population to subject themselves to an injection for a disease that is communicable only through sexual contact, and then only under certain circumstances, well it is just too much for me. It seems almost Orwellian to me. An am surprised that more people are not put off by this.
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You could opt-out. All it takes is a check on a form.
HPV is not merely communicable by sex. A nasty classmate and an unguarded handshake can get you. Public laundry can get you.
The opt-out procedure was to force insurance companies (and medicaid) to pay for it, so Texas’s huge Hispanic population (who have a teen pregnacy rates that are shocking) get it.
I’m Israeli. Obama has a 8% favorability rating there. Dual-citizens like me voted 85% for McCain/Palin.
I think the primary issue is Jewish people in America are: (1) urban yankees and vote like other urban yankees and (2) Reform Jewish, which is basically nothing. Episcopal without ham and shellfish. (I am Orthodox.)
Ah, the James Baker “fuck the Jews, they don’t vote for us anyhow” approach.
Kindly don’t abandon Israeli Jewish people because New York Jewish people are stupid. If they were serious Jews, then they’d live in Israel. (That’s the Zionist in me talking.)
After all, I don’t blame Baptists for Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton, you shouldn’t blame me for Woody Allen.
[quote]JEATON wrote:
As a conservative, southern Baptist, you would think I would be all for Perry. I want to be for him, but the Gardisil issue is a very big deal to me. For any elected official to think that they have the right, through executive order, to force a segment of a population to subject themselves to an injection for a disease that is communicable only through sexual contact, and then only under certain circumstances, well it is just too much for me. It seems almost Orwellian to me. An am surprised that more people are not put off by this.
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Perry admitted that he should have gone to the legislature. At any rate, the Texas legislature overturned the Executive Order and Perry dropped it. No harm no fowl. How many mea culpas does the guy have to say?
Besides, there are about 20 states that reccomend Gardesil in some fashion. It’s not like the Texas situation is some freak outlier. 34 million doses have been given. And what about all the other vaccines the government recommends to kids?
Hey, if you don’t want your kids protected from small pox, polio, or cervical cancer – then don’t get the shot! They don’t exactly come to your house and hold the kids down on the carpet while they administer vaccines. Bachmann’s reaction was over-the-top and she lost my respect too. Maybe if she stuck to tax reform, she’d be more helpful.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Most agree that Romney “took his lumps” four years ago…and grew in the process. He seemed more prepared for questions this time. He even defended “RomneyCare” and distanced it from “ObamaCare”.
Perry also pulled out the “Gun-totin’/We’ll hang 'ya and fry 'ya in Texas” card last night…to applause. Again; great for the base; but on the National Stage, capital punishment will not have as receptive an audience.
Mufasa[/quote]As much as people like to hate on Texas, the mystique and drawl lull even the staunchest of haters in to a love trance, with out fail, every time.
Perry will win on his “good ol’ boy” persona alone. He will not do all the awesome stuff he says.
As a conservative, southern Baptist, you would think I would be all for Perry. I want to be for him, but the Gardisil issue is a very big deal to me. For any elected official to think that they have the right, through executive order, to force a segment of a population to subject themselves to an injection for a disease that is communicable only through sexual contact, and then only under certain circumstances, well it is just too much for me. It seems almost Orwellian to me. An am surprised that more people are not put off by this.
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You could opt-out. All it takes is a check on a form.
HPV is not merely communicable by sex. A nasty classmate and an unguarded handshake can get you. Public laundry can get you.
The opt-out procedure was to force insurance companies (and medicaid) to pay for it, so Texas’s huge Hispanic population (who have a teen pregnacy rates that are shocking) get it.
I’m Israeli. Obama has a 8% favorability rating there. Dual-citizens like me voted 85% for McCain/Palin.
I think the primary issue is Jewish people in America are: (1) urban yankees and vote like other urban yankees and (2) Reform Jewish, which is basically nothing. Episcopal without ham and shellfish. (I am Orthodox.)
Ah, the James Baker “fuck the Jews, they don’t vote for us anyhow” approach.
Kindly don’t abandon Israeli Jewish people because New York Jewish people are stupid. If they were serious Jews, then they’d live in Israel. (That’s the Zionist in me talking.)
After all, I don’t blame Baptists for Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton, you shouldn’t blame me for Woody Allen.[/quote]
I may have to look a little deeper. I followed the issue years back when it was in play. At the time my interest was focused, the play was for mandatory vaccination for any girl entering sixth grade. At the time they were not aiming for an opt out.
Again, I will look deeper, but I believe that you are being a little “loose” with your descriptions as to how HPV can be transmitted. I am not arguing that it is beyond the scope of possibility that a handshake, etc. could transmit it, but that it is highly unlikely. I have read enough accounts of severe health problems created by the administration of the vaccine to decide that it is not to be taken lightly and is not for a government official to determine. You see, I have a 10 yo daughter that will be entering sixth grade next year. I firmly believe that if my governor decided to use an executive mandate to force my daughter to be vaccinated with this drug then he would have to enforce said mandate at the end of a gun. That is my and my wife’s decision. Period.
BTW, I do not think that you ever force an insurance company to pay for anything in the long run. All you do is force them to pass the cost along to their customers. The single payer model blows.
In the end, you may be arguing that the end justifies the means, that Perry’s intent was honorable therefore the means should be overlooked or forgiven. In another life I was involved in the consumer electronics business. This was before the Circuit City and Best Buy big box retailers existed. I ran and did purchasing for some big electronic road shows that operated in large markets throughout the US. A large portion of my inventory was sourced through (Hebrew) importers out of LA. I learned a lot from these guys, both what one should and should not do if one wants a long term career in an industry.
One thing they often told me was “Friend, the secret to this business is to put a $5 turd in a $10 box. People always buy the box.” Unfortunately, this always proved to be true.
The other thing that always comes back to me is “Friend, it is always better to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission.” This usually involved them kissing up to me save a big order after I had caught them fucking me for the fifteenth time. (Ahh, good times.)
I bring these up not to perpetuate Jewish stereotypes but to suggest that for various reasons, historical, etc., that the overall mindset has tended to lean towards “the end justifies the means.” I just cannot go along with that. Either find a better means or adjust the end that you are pursuing.
Anywho…
I appreciate your input on this topic and I will search a little deeper.
It bothers me because with the facts as I currently know them, I cannot vote for Perry. This leaves me with Romney, who I think is a good man and a better choice than what we currently have, but a little too willing to compromise on the important issues. (I could give a shit about his Mormon beliefs, BTW, as most Mormons that I have met have been upstanding people.)
