Can we stop with the fucking Gay threads already? Why the fuck did we need yet another gay marriage thread? For crying out loud.
[quote]pat wrote:
Can we stop with the fucking Gay threads already? Why the fuck did we need yet another gay marriage thread? For crying out loud.[/quote]
to even out the ratio with the other million crying about gun threads and crying about obama/left/“liberals” threads, crying about bush threads
[quote]Sloth wrote:
It’s one of the unnatural and sinful acts that is directly condemned in both the old and new testaments. Geeze.[/quote]
Like eating shellfish, wearing mixed fibers, prohibiting women from speaking in church, and forbidding divorce?
Gotcha.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
By “religious case,” they mean “Unitarian or Episcopal case” for gay marriage. Episcopalianism/United Methodism/mainline Presbyterianism and Unitarianism are just “stuff white people like goes to church”: [/quote]
Right, those Christians aren’t real Christians. Lol.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Don’t you already have Civil unions and health benefits already? Can’t you adopt kids too?
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As pointed out over and over again, there are over 1,000 federal rights and benefits available to heteros through marriage that aren’t available to gays. Even in states where gay marriage is recognized, these federal benefits are not granted.
On adoption, it depends on which state you live in.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I laughed when I got to here and stopped reading.
“Jesus himself was single and preached an indifference to earthly attachments?especially family”[/quote]
Luke 14:26:
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Matthew 22:30:
At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
1 Corinthians 7:
[b]7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.[/b]
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
“Marriage” between two men is qualitatively different than marriage between a man and a woman. You can’t generate equality from fundamental qualitative differences. [/quote]
“Marriage” between a black man and a white woman is qualitatively different than marriage between a black man and a black woman. You can’t generate equality from fundamental qualitative differences.
Or so your brothers-in-spirit argued at the turn of the century.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
This article pretty much confirms my suspicions that the homosexual “marriage” movement isn’t about “equality” at all, but about homosexual self-validation. [/quote]
Right, because equal federal benefits and the added stability for the couple and their children from being married are all just trivialities.
What we really, really want is for you to give us your personal approval. Because we care about your opinion just that much.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
When people believe in religion and don’t support gay marriage, they are slandered for believing in “fairy tales” and maintaining the US’ “social progression curve” behind that of cave-dwelling troglodytes.
When people believe in religion and do support gay marriage, suddenly all bad faith is erased, the “fairy tales” become warm and fuzzy life principles by which are appreciated as common ground in the quest for humanity’s Enlightenment.
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According to whom?
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…i think they should make divorce illegal. That’ll stop those damned gays from wanting to get married![/quote]
But that would mean following all of the bible, instead of cherry picking the passages that don’t apply to you, but allow you to feel superior by enforcing them on others.
Not going to happen, if the fundies have anything to say about it.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
PRAY OUT THE GAY!![/quote]
God knows I tried. I guess 23 years of praying wasn’t long enough, or maybe I just didn’t have enough faith.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
I’m talking about Forlife’s lame distinction - when religion comes to a conclusion he supports, he is more than content to respect religion and its teachings. When a religion produces a conclusion that he doesn’t support, well, religion is “fairy tales”, etc.
If Forlife actually thinks so lowly of religion generally, why would he be endorsing “The Religious Case for Gay Marriage”?
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I’ve always said that:
Religion = Fairy Tales + Values
I think people should keep the values and see the fairy tales for what they are. But as long as they don’t try forcing their fairy tales on me, I couldn’t care less what they believe.
I didn’t endorse the religious case for gay marriage. What I said was:
[quote]forlife wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
I’m talking about Forlife’s lame distinction - when religion comes to a conclusion he supports, he is more than content to respect religion and its teachings. When a religion produces a conclusion that he doesn’t support, well, religion is “fairy tales”, etc.
If Forlife actually thinks so lowly of religion generally, why would he be endorsing “The Religious Case for Gay Marriage”?
I’ve always said that:
Religion = Fairy Tales + Values
I think people should keep the values and see the fairy tales for what they are. But as long as they don’t try forcing their fairy tales on me, I couldn’t care less what they believe.[/quote]
I don’t get it. Who’s forcing you to join a particular religion?
So forlife I just have one question for you.
You say your gay but were married and have children. How can you have sex with a women if your gay?
[quote]forlife wrote:
Makavali wrote:
PRAY OUT THE GAY!!
God knows I tried. I guess 23 years of praying wasn’t long enough, or maybe I just didn’t have enough faith.[/quote]
I’ll pray for you when I pray for Mick. Spongebob has all the answers. Trust in him and Patrick the Starfish and you will reach salvation.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
I don’t get it. Who’s forcing you to join a particular religion?
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The point is that others are forcing their religious VIEWS on him. By justifying banning gay marriage based on Christian belief, they essentially say “our religion is right!”. A lot of posters here say things like “Old Testament this” and “New Testament that” without considering that gay people aren’t all necessarily the same denomination of Christianity. They may not even be the same religion.
I say a lot of posters, but definitely not all.
[quote]forlife wrote:
I’ve always said that:
Religion = Fairy Tales + Values
I think people should keep the values and see the fairy tales for what they are. But as long as they don’t try forcing their fairy tales on me, I couldn’t care less what they believe.
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Good, so can you stop forcing your gayness on us?
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
I don’t get it. Who’s forcing you to join a particular religion?
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Nobody is forcing me to join a religion. I was referring to people pushing laws which are ultimately based on beliefs derived from fairy tales. Wouldn’t it bother you if you lived in the middle east under civil laws that reflect the fairy tales of the muslim religion?
[quote]John S. wrote:
You say your gay but were married and have children. How can you have sex with a women if your gay?[/quote]
In the same way straight men can have sex with other men, as in prisons or the entire society of Spartans.
Sex <> romantic love.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
I’ll pray for you when I pray for Mick. Spongebob has all the answers. Trust in him and Patrick the Starfish and you will reach salvation.[/quote]
That must be it! I was praying to god when I should have been praying to Spongebob.