The Racial Thing

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Oogie wrote:

OUTKAST??? LOL…jesus man…Outkast isn’t what these people are listening to…LOL! Classic…next you’ll pull out de la soul and the roots…LOL!!!

Try Young Buck, Tony Yayo, Llyod Banks…[/quote]

And try The Roots, Jill Scott, Mos Def and Talib Kwali. These artists aren’t selling records to thin air. My guess is, the average 25 year old and up isn’t hell bent on just the G-Unit crowd that you listed, even though 50 Cent is played in every club from poor to rich. The few you listed may very well have the ear of the high school crowd, but again you pick even the most negative while leaving out Nelly, Ciara, and Missy Elliot.

Let me guess, you think people in “the hood” don’t listen to them either? Only middle class and upper class blacks listen to OutKast? If anything, you only make a point of there being a relation to age when it comes to what most people listen to. Younger kids are more likely to listen to “pop” rap or whatever their radio will play 500 times a day. People don’t stop listening to music once they hit 25 and everyone in that city isn’t still wearing back packs to school.

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I’m not just blaming music…you cornered yourself into this “rap” debate that finds you pissing down your leg…Hoss.[/quote]

Cornered myself and pissing down my leg? Your views are all based on stereotypes. That doesn’t scare me or paint me into any corners. At the beginning you mentioned “these people”. Exactly who do you think these people are?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Professor X:

If Orangejello (pronounced Or-ANN-jello) walked into your business, he’s dressed ‘Gangsta’, and he says “Sup?”, would you hire him? Let’s put him right out there to represent the business! My guess is that you’d soon be applying for jobs also.

As for the history of slavery, what are you a professor of? Is it history? There are these things called history books and Google…

Amazing how the libs always play this racial crap on conservatives.[/quote]

Was your post supposed to be a revelation to anyone? If I hire anyone into any practice I begin, it will be someone who can relate to people the best and still act professionally. I say “was’sup” all of the time. I can also choose when to speak a certain way and whom in front of I want to do so. If that same person dressed “gangsta” (even though that means nothing and is some word I guess you all threw together on this forum to describe Hip Hop) and said, “sup”, and followed that with a resume that beat out anyone else I spoke to, I would hire him on the spot.

If I own the place, I can set rules for dress later. The majority of my patients get along with me because I can speak on their level instead of trying to use the largest words possible in front of them leaving them with a blank stare on their faces. Therefore, the use of minor slang doesn’t bother me…unless this person proves that this is the only way they know how to speak.

One thing your post does inform me of, is that you have probably judged many people wrong. If I am at the mall with a group of friends, dressed in a jersey and jeans, and I say “sup” to what one of them, this erases my education? Only to someone ill-educated in how an entire culture operates.

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
X, Randman and others of reason…

This is a “no-win” scenario…you truly will beat your head against the wall in an attempt to explain that this is not a “color” issue…but a MUCH more complex set of social, economic and yes…historical circumstances that account for poverty and urban violence…
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You’re right, but you do have to ask yourself why one thread on Kanye (who stated nervously on tv that Bush doesn’t care about black people) got so many posts calling him a racist, yet we get this on this forum in multiple posts and very few are jumping up to call out what apparently pisses them off so when a rapper does it. How odd.

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It IS odd, Prof…and predictable…

Hey…after you and I put in about 24 hours on call…come on over…we’ll do a little “chronic”…down some moon-pies and grape soda for the munchies…

And check out that “Ass Worship” thread at “The Nation” (there are some FINE assed White Honey’s on that one…know what I’m sayin’???)

Mufasa

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I dunno Mufasa…

If you keep talking like that, I might start to question your competency. :wink:

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That’s bullshit. YOU aren’t those things…but a subculture that has been embraced by certain types of music, movies, clothing have embraced these negative stereotypes and tragically, SOME black people embrace that crap.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Nelly, Ciara, and Missy Elliot.
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They are jsut as bad…Nelly raps about Nike Air Force shoes and buying asa many as he can, Missy Elliot raps about banging every guy, etc…

Wrong guess. People listen to all kinds of music, but you can’t deny that certain genres create subcultures that people become entrenched in.

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
It IS odd, Prof…and predictable…

Hey…after you and I put in about 24 hours on call…come on over…we’ll do a little “chronic”…down some moon-pies and grape soda for the munchies…

And check out that “Ass Worship” thread at “The Nation” (there are some FINE assed White Honey’s on that one…know what I’m sayin’???)

Mufasa [/quote]

If no one is like that, where did you get all that material?

Mufasa, you are a role model for young black men and woman…I applaud that you see the sadness in the stereotypes, but they are real and dangerous.

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[quote]Oogie wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
It IS odd, Prof…and predictable…

Hey…after you and I put in about 24 hours on call…come on over…we’ll do a little “chronic”…down some moon-pies and grape soda for the munchies…

And check out that “Ass Worship” thread at “The Nation” (there are some FINE assed White Honey’s on that one…know what I’m sayin’???)

Mufasa

If no one is like that, where did you get all that material?

Mufasa, you are a role model for young black men and woman…I applaud that you see the sadness in the stereotypes, but they are real and dangerous.
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No, what is dangerous is that people like you are who work in media. With your blatant bias and stereotyping, it is no wonder at all why the images can be distorted. You act as if you know what an entire group of people listen to on the radio. You take the most negative aspects of every part of an entire culture and then have the nerve to act as if this is what represents the whole or even the majority. That in itself is racism at its finest.

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A couple of obsrevations…

I may have a different perspective tham most. I am a 50 year old white upper middle class male. Rather than dwell on what I have seen over the years, a couple of things from my current life.

  1. I sometimes shoot billiards in a very rural county at a bar tacked onto the back of a truck stop. It can be rough. We actually had a fight with a woman in a wheelchair involved. She hit a guy with a beer bottle. All of these ignorant fucks are white. In a NO type situation they would not have stolen Nikes. No, they would have stolen guns and drugs, and then gone for jewelry stores and any place else with valuables, seeing this as their chance to “make it”. Why are they different from me? It is totally a question of their socio-economic class.

  2. I have a grandson who is mixed race. His father is someone anyone would be glad to have for a friend. Works full time, coaches kids football, and is a ref in college games too. On top of that, he is a big, strong dude. Having him here when we moved in was like having a talking forklift. Everyone I have met from his family is delightful.
    While there are differences in taste in entertainment, religion, etc., they do not seem to matter. The only issue that may drive a wedge is chitlins. Please.

So, I think that if you flooded Greene county VA. you would see the same behavior. Also, almost everybody in NO after the storm was black. By far, all they wanted was help and a drink of water. The vast majority showed remarkable control and restraint, as babies and old people died in their midst, while help took FIVE FUCKING DAYS to get there.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

No, what is dangerous is that people like you are who work in media. With your blatant bias and stereotyping, it is no wonder at all why the images can be distorted. You act as if you know what an entire group of people listen to on the radio. You take the most negative aspects of every part of an entire culture and then have the nerve to act as if this is what represents the whole or even the majority. That in itself is racism at its finest.[/quote]

way to put words in my mouth…never said or think any of that…X, you don’t like losing in debates…it’s obvius in your past posts…

My views don’t play a part at work.

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[quote]Oogie wrote:

My views don’t play a part at work. [/quote]

Bullshit. The same views that have you thinking the entire black population (or at least the majority) of New Orleans listens to 50 Cent or ten year old Tu-Pac cd’s is the same one that influences the images that are caught on film and how they are reported on. You can’t admit to that level of bias and then claim it plays no role in the minds of those on the job when reporting. I didn’t have to put words in your mouth. You let enough words slip to paint a very brilliant picture of the way you think. If I mention a more positive rap artist, you immediately try to point out a negative. To act as if Nelly is rapping about guns is retarded. I don’t think he has mentioned them in any way in the many cd’s he has released, and he is one of the few who is so well known that he did a past Superbowl half time.

You see what you want to see. There is no doubt that it does affect your attempts at being a “journalist” or reporter. You have simply convinced yourself that you can be a bigot at home but not on the job.

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Oogie is just jealous of the size of the black mans organ.

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The Racial Thing…doesn’t matter. Everyone the original poster of this thread to Bush and Kayne West misses the point about New Orleans; It’s not about black, white, brown or even pink with purple polka dots. It’s about helping people in need.
Why should anybody give a damn if Johnny is stealing food and clothes when right beside him Joe is dying? Screw Johnny. Maybe he feels no one is going to help him. Let’s be the bigger person and give Joe a hand.
This is supposed to be America, where a person is treated the same no matter his /her background. If we are truly to be united as a country or a people, its time to walk the walk and stop the talk.

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I just want to make sure I’m not confused with Oogie.

That is all.

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Professor X:

You are not seeing my point because you refuse to do so: until and unless poor people adopt middle class values, they can’t become part of the middle class. They will stay poor. It’s that simple. Hello? It’s really that simple!

Here’s some simple help for you: I suggest that suburban housewives will not buy refrigerators from someone dressed like 50 cent or NWA. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN! Want to be a refrigerator salesman? Dress like one and not like an idiot!

BTW: I have a Bachelor’s and Master’s degree, both from the University of Michigan. I worked 3rd shift in a factory while getting the BA. You’re suggestions of racism and/or ignorance shows yours.

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
X, Randman and others of reason…

This is a “no-win” scenario…you truly will beat your head against the wall in an attempt to explain that this is not a “color” issue…but a MUCH more complex set of social, economic and yes…historical circumstances that account for poverty and urban violence…

To JJJJ, Ooogie, ArmyAG and all of the more “enlightened”…we get it…because we’ve heard it for years:

  1. We’re more violent.

  2. We’re lazy.

  3. We’re less intelligent (but can REALLY dance and play basketball!)

  4. Rap and Hip-Hop is, and will be, the downfall of all Western Civilization.

  5. Give us a “40”… some Newports…throw in some Fried Chicken, Watermelon and some White Ho’s…and we’re in “Big Dick” Heaven…"

We get it…because we’ve lived with it all our Lives…

Mufasa

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Nope , black people aren’t any more lazy or dumb than anybody else. As far as black people being smart or not they seem a lot more practical than anybody else. Black people aren’t lazy either i’ve done manual labor and black guys would be sweating harder than anybody else. As far as the other stereotypes go, blacks have a history w/ the southern U.S. i dont know if they eat chicken any more than anybody else but fried chicken is associated with the Southern U.S.

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So, I think that if you flooded Greene county VA. you would see the same behavior. Also, almost everybody in NO after the storm was black. By far, all they wanted was help and a drink of water. The vast majority showed remarkable control and restraint, as babies and old people died in their midst, while help took FIVE FUCKING DAYS to get there.[/quote]

While I agree about old folks and babies should be helped, if others have got the energy and temerity to loot, why didn’t they get out? They saw an opportunity and took it, to rob and plunder.
Also, I see a lot of scapegoating about President Bush. The guy is president, not a dictator. Also, it takes FOREVER to get a large organisation to do anything. I think 5 days was remarkably short.
We’ve become a nation where a lot of people sit on their asses and wait for someone else to save them. What if they don’t? What if the productive people’s response to curses, taxes, regulations, hatred in the media, was “Go fuck yourselves? Who needs you, you lazy-ass bastards?” Watch this country then.

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It seems that these threads keep becoming worse and worse…

Believing that someone’s skin color is any predictor of their propensity to violence or generally heinous acts is a profoundly retarded and lazy way of thinking.

Newsflash: humans are a profoundly violent, sadistic, hateful species. Blacks are no worse than Whites, or Asians, or whatever. People from all races have done, do and will continue to do horrible, violent, heinous things.

Even for people that are retarded enough to say that the % of violent people among blacks is higher than with any other race, think about this: what purpose does it serve to generalize and to say that “Blacks are more violent”?

One of my favorite quotes of all time is Mark Twain’s “There’s lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics”.

Why are you making those kind of statements? Is it because you feel so inadequate that by saying to yourself that people that have a skin color unlike your own are more violent in any way boosts your self confidence? Or is it because you think that racial profiling actually helps anything? Well, thing is, it doesn’t, as time has proved over and over again.

Sure, I’ve met a lot of unpleasant, violent people that, accidentally, were black. But I’ve also met a lot of unpleasant, violent people that were white, or asian.

On the other hand, some of the finest human beings I’ve ever met were black. My two best students ever were black, which is positively amazing considering the incredibly low percentage of black people in the region I live. If I had kept my distance because of their skin color, I would have not had some of my most enriching experiences in my life.

Maybe I would not be married to a wonderful, intelligent, beautiful woman, because her father is black (I met him before I did her).

Trust me: the first person will lose from your bigotry is yourself. So the only thing I can feel is sorry for you. I pity you. Honestly.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Professor X:

You are not seeing my point because you refuse to do so: until and unless poor people adopt middle class values, they can’t become part of the middle class. They will stay poor. It’s that simple. Hello? It’s really that simple![/quote]

Middle class values? Why not “upper class values”? Do you even know what you are talking about?

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Here’s some simple help for you: I suggest that suburban housewives will not buy refrigerators from someone dressed like 50 cent or NWA. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN! Want to be a refrigerator salesman? Dress like one and not like an idiot![/quote]

So, dressing in a jersey means you are dressing like an idiot? Dressing in a teeshirt and jeans means you are dressing like an idiot? I am wearing a tank top and shorts right now. Is that dressing like an idiot? Why do you judge people for work based on how they dress out of work?

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BTW: I have a Bachelor’s and Master’s degree, both from the University of Michigan. I worked 3rd shift in a factory while getting the BA. You’re suggestions of racism and/or ignorance shows yours.[/quote]

Uh, that would be, “YOUR suggestions of racism and/or ignorance SHOW your own.” I disagree completely with that statement, but you should at least get the grammar right considering all of that education you felt the need to inform me of.