The Racial Thing

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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JJJJ,

[quote]JJJJ wrote:
makkun wrote:
So far, I have seen no proper sources for your main hypothesis, and have to say TSB until you can provide any. Which I doubt. I would really recommend you rethink your position, as it is not congruent with the scientific research on this topic.
Makkun

Huh?

Have you looked at FBI crime statistics?

How about a record of National Guard deployments inside the US to quell civil unrest?

How about this comparison . . . median income . . . population ethnicity . . . National Guard deployments to quell civil unrest.[/quote]

Here, you fall for the false correlation: Being biologically “black” is not the reason for African Americans to feature more in crime statistics (if they do), it is being poor and underprivileged - because they are black. Now I do recognise that tremendous achievements have been made (against massive resistance - including deployment of the National Guard - not to forget) through the civil rights movement, but you know as well as I do, that there still is structural racism working today. That does not make any crime excusable, but helps with the explanation of its sources.

Then you can’t really state it: As said earlier - show some research that biologically “race” influences the tendency for violence.

On the IQ front, there is enough - and it is sociological factors within the test design that bias IQ tests towards favoring white middle class probands.

As for testosterone levels - there should be ample experts here among our writers to answer questions on this. Anyone?[quote]

Try finding research that explains the dominance of black athletes in certain sports.

The point is . . . we can’t talk about it.[/quote]

Oh, no problem, we can talk about humans being biologically different due to their regional backgrounds and yes, racial differences. But PCness is not why you had to wear your asbestos suit during this thread: Your blanket statement that “blacks” are more violent than “whites” is responsible for that. I would just say that you think about this again and see why it is wrong (and unscientific) to just state that. I don’t think you are racist, but you made a correlation which is, and there have been many people on this thread who tried to point out to this mistake.

Makkun

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[quote]makkun wrote:
That can happen, but many posters here have given proper counter arguments, which you should take to heart.
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MAKKUN . . . no, actually that’s the problem. You’re the only one who tried to present an objective counter-argument. The rest talk about “historical repression” and “economic deprivation” . . . neither of which is unique to the black community.

Like I’ve said . . . Mexican-Americans are dirt poor but their communities don’t have the same level civil violence. Jews have been historically repressed but they have almost no record of civil violence.

This is a very unique social phenomena within the US. And it is replicated throughout the world . . . Brazil and South Africa, for example, have the same problem: extreme levels of civic violence disproportinately centerd in black communities.

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one issue i see frequently is people tend to confuse “race” with “culture”.

they try to refer a certain race’s culture.

but a race has no culture. there is no BLACK culture. there is no WHITE culture.

look at black culture in East St. Louis, Il, USA… it is going to be VERY different from black culture in Johannesburg, South Africa…and even more different from black culture, China.

there is no BLACK culture.

there IS however an IMAGE that is TOTALLY and COMPLETELY promoted by media. and that is IN TURN duplicated by SOME blacks.

and this is really confusing for the human mind to deal with.

so much so that “non bigoted” individuals will actually find themselves momentarily thinking stupid, stupid, bigoted thoughts (myself included).

so don’t feel bad that your thoughts are so stupid, JJJJ. they are created by the bricks and blocks that were handed to you by a society that IS mostly stupid, and wants YOU to be MOSTLY STUPID too.

it isn’t your fault.

we’re all affected by it.

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“Racial profiling” is just code for racism.

And I’ll give you an example. If for instance a white man discovers, going through records and statistics, that blacks and hispanics are more frequently searched and subject to violence after being stopped by police. And if that white man doesn’t want to cover up this story, than this white man is fired by his white boss.

Now THAT my friends, is racial profiling.

People who think racial profiling is acceptable are sorry they can’t lynch their black neighbour anymore.

Because the times have changed. Or have they.

In the previous NO flood, white people where evacuated and blacks where rounded up and kept there by armed guards.
Now we don’t do that anymore. But somehow, the whites got out and the blacks didn’t.
And there where reports back then that blacks where raping white women and cutting of the fingers of dead white women to steal the wedding rings.
These reports where not true of course.

And I suspect that much of these reports on looting and violence are exagerated. After all, what are poor blacks up to when the cops are busy evacuating all the important white people. Surely, they must be looting and raping right? We ALL know that’s what they do right?

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[quote]jawara wrote:
Here’s a true story for some of you. My mom and I moved to Lake Grove N.Y. when I was about 10 years old. It’s a mostly white area. When I was 16 my freinds and I went to an earring shop in the mall. We had very little money and were just looking. When we got in the car to leave my freind (a white guy) pulls out a pockect full of earrings. I said “I didn’t know you bought those”. He replied “I stole them. I knew all the security people would be watching you”.

Good point. We waste too much time and effort talking about race, instead of talking about winners and losers; winners of all races say they will rebuild, while the losers cry, take care of me. In nature, if you can’t take care of yourself, you die. Many of the individuals that stayed behind, made that choice because there were ways to get out of town, but they do what losers always do, they took the easy way out. America has been giving away free money to losers for way too long and its time to rethink the entire entitlement program, including laying off some of the useless bureaucrats that can’t do their jobs, New Orleans is a case in point.
Before I get flamed by the usual crowd of limo liberal types, I walked in many civil rights marches in the 1960’s and 70’s because I do believe in equality, but I don’t believe that rewarding people for breeding is the right way to help people; in fact, it does the opposite, again New Orleans is a case in point.

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[quote]horny yoda wrote:

there is no BLACK culture. there is no WHITE culture.

look at black culture in East St. Louis, Il, USA… it is going to be VERY different from black culture in Johannesburg, South Africa…and even more different from black culture, China. [/quote]

YODA . . . there is no black culture . . . but let’s look at black culture in East St Louis and how it differs from culture everywhere else.

Huh?

And “don’t worry JJJJ, you’re stupid but it’s not your fault, it’s the . . .(culture). . . that did it to you.”

Huh?

Actually, even though you don’t make any sense, I understand what you’re trying to say.

But you’re wrong.

It’s all about culture; and there absolutely is a black culture . . . just like there is a weightlifting/bodybuilding culture.

Dictionary definition for you . . . “culture is the behavior patterns, arts, beliefs, institutions and all other products of thought and work TYPICAL OF A POPULATION OR A COMMUNITY AT A GIVEN TIME.” (Webster’s Dictionary)

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
“Racial profiling” is just code for racism.

People who think racial profiling is acceptable are sorry they can’t lynch their black neighbour anymore.

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WRECKLESS . . . no, we don’t. We think it’s common sense.

Racism is the belief that your GROUP (nation, culture, religion or skin color) is SUPERIOR to everyone else’s.

It’s not “racist” to believe that a car load of young black males driving through the streets of Los Angeles at 2 A.M. is up to no good. Now maybe they’re all coming back from choir practice at the church . . . but experience shows that they’re not.

Likewise . . . it’s not “racist” to be suspicious when you see a group of young Arab men videotaping the subway. Again, maybe they’re innocent college students on vacation but experience shows otherwise.

And finally, the next time a major earthquake hits Los Angeles and destroys the city . . . or a hurricane destroys Miami . . . it’s not “racist” to be prepared for the black community there to be as violent and chaotic as the black community in New Orleans has been.

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JJJJ : you like to argue eh? Seriously though, you are exactly correct. African Americans are more prone to crime. Its just the role that we have put them into and they play out way too often, since slavery and jim crow bs they still aren’t up to caucasians and asians level yet.

I totally agree that black people have a culture problem, and im all for affirmative action and things like that to help them along because we have historically screwed them over.

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   I'm very white. Im Irish,Polish,German and I'd like to say historically whites have displayed a love for violence. No black man has ever come close to matching the evil and violence dished out by guys like Hitler and Stalin. Sure all races kill eachother but we invented the fucking atomic bomb. Russia and America almost destroyed the entire planet because of political differences. I think people associate blacks with violence because of the stupid music called (c)rap. Instead of harshing out whites because of certain beliefs blacks should blame the idiots on MTV who benefit from degrading blacks.

There are only a few people in New Orleans looting but they get all the coverage because the media knows people will watch more. Also Blacks and Whites are different beyond skin colour. White people come from cold mountains and plains. Blacks come from hot desserts and jungles. I believe the climate whites are accustomed to has given us a certain edge over others. Not always for the better. If you look at a map, the thriving nations are well above the equator. This theory holds true with non white nations such as Japan. Tibetan monks who are perhaps the most spiritually advanced people live in northern China in the mountains. There are my opinions.

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When you treat a group of people like they are feces ( slaverly and jim crow laws ) they aren’t going to behave in a mature fashion as other groups.

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ProffX:
Nope sorry , the africans just sold slaves from other caputured peoples to the europeans. I know that you dont like admitting that black people enslaved and sold other black people but its a fact. Accept and get over it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
PSlave wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Not to throw a bucket of water onto anyone’s flames, but even if someone did become offended by it, what is your point? That you don’t understand why? You think that there needs to be no promotion today of pride in one’s race from the perspective of a minority in this country? In a society where people, like many in this thread, try to link every negative aspect they can to “race” alone, you don’t see the need for positive statements regarding those same races? Please, explain that to me.

That’s not it at all. I think that we should all take pride in who and what we are, without taking it to the extreme and viewing those not like us as subhuman. The klan comes to mind. What bothers me is that we’re not “allowed” to take pride in who and what we are. It’s not considered PC. Well, fuck PC.

It’s a really, really sad state of affairs that, in the 21st century, we as a human race have still not become color blind. I doubt we ever will.

And, to prove my point by pointing the finger at myself, I was shopping at Target this morning. Walked through the hair-care aisle, which is not something I normally do, being bald and all, but I needed a new mirror to shave my head. Here are the two different aisles I saw:

“Hair-Care”

“Ethnic Hair-Care”

My first thought was, “What the fuck?” I wondered why Target felt the need to seperate things. Then I wondered why I was making a big deal about it.

What’s my point? We are a flawed society, but that’s not news to anyone.

I have seen most stores in America seperate the two and no, I don’t see the point of that. Even Wal Mart, while they may be all on the same aisle, places all of the ethnic hair care products on the end of the last aisle in that section, literally in the corner. If they were viewed the same, you would at least see them from time to time on an end cap (the stations at the end of an aisle where they often place promotional items). [/quote]

I see the need to separate it, i would think that a black person couldn’t use white products since white people have straight hair and blacks have curlier hair. The only reason to differentiate is so that customers can find what they need quicker and with less confusion. It would seem like its just made of different stuff but i dont like it either that black hair products are put
on the shelves at the end which makes it look more like an afterthought. Walmart should wise up bc if there was a black hairdressing franchise opening up blacks would start shopping there.

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Let me offer the thread something I have not seen posted here yet:
I have worked with REAL “African Americans”…ie…people from Nigeria and other countries in Africa that have immigrated to the U.S.
There is a VAST!!! difference in their attitude and that of “American blacks”. The difference is in culture!!!
They are brought up in more “Christian” and dual parent homes than “American blacks” and are in general much more conservative.
When I lived in Atlanta, I was actually surprised to find animosity twords real “African American” blacks from “American blacks”!!..I was really taken aback. Seems the immigrants take care to educate themselves, work hard and basically are not enslaved by a “victim mentality”. And “American blacks” seem to resent them. They typically spoke better English and had better socical manners that most “American black” fellow citizens.

What is my point???..its not genetic!!!..its culture. And the large majority of American blacks are taught the victim mentality and are usually the outcome of out of wedlock births.

So…Genetic?..NO…
Cultural and familial???..YES!

Don

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[quote]thabigdon24 wrote:
When you treat a group of people like they are feces ( slaverly and jim crow laws ) they aren’t going to behave in a mature fashion as other groups. [/quote]

Most of the people I know don’t treat blacks badly, but I do see many brothers prey on their own people. As long as we continue to make excuses for people they will never rise up; LBJ’s social experiment is proof. What about the people from Asia and Russia who were enslaved and came to America and did quite well. And what is wrong with literacy tests for the privilege to vote. This country is the brink of disaster and we continue to carry the bottom feeders; and by the way, there are more whites on welfare that any other race. The race card is just like the democrook/republicon card, another way to divide and conquer.

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[quote]JJJJ wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
“Racial profiling” is just code for racism.

People who think racial profiling is acceptable are sorry they can’t lynch their black neighbour anymore.

WRECKLESS . . . no, we don’t. We think it’s common sense.

Racism is the belief that your GROUP (nation, culture, religion or skin color) is SUPERIOR to everyone else’s.

It’s not “racist” to believe that a car load of young black males driving through the streets of Los Angeles at 2 A.M. is up to no good. Now maybe they’re all coming back from choir practice at the church . . . but experience shows that they’re not.

Likewise . . . it’s not “racist” to be suspicious when you see a group of young Arab men videotaping the subway. Again, maybe they’re innocent college students on vacation but experience shows otherwise.

And finally, the next time a major earthquake hits Los Angeles and destroys the city . . . or a hurricane destroys Miami . . . it’s not “racist” to be prepared for the black community there to be as violent and chaotic as the black community in New Orleans has been.[/quote]

Common sence: I’ve heard about common sence before. In another time, in another country is was called “gesundenes Volksempfinden”

Anyway, I was amazed that you used the the word “hurricane” and “prepared” in the same sentence? But you got me thinking. Perhapst that is exactly what happened.

Authorities had all these warning about Katrina, and perhaps die indeed WHERE preparing black community violence. They SHOULD have been preparing the evacuation of course. That would be common sence. But since they prefer racial profiling, they prepared for black community violence.

But back to racial profiling. I’ll give you a few examples about racial profiling. For instance, did you know that when the US had a black president, not one US civilian has lost in his life in any hurricane or other natural disaster. Think about it. Not one ! ! !
Witness the force of racial profiling my friend.

You could claim that the US never had a black president, but that’s besides the point. The figures show, and common sence backs it up, that the US is a nation is a lot safer under a black president.

Racial profiling is tweaking the system in such a way that allowed most the whites to get out and forced most of the blacks to stay there. Why do you think the evacuation failed in such a misserable way? Would it have failed if more white lives where at risk? We’ll never know, but the resembles with the previous NO flood is striking.

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[quote]thabigdon24 wrote:
When you treat a group of people like they are feces ( slaverly and jim crow laws ) they aren’t going to behave in a mature fashion as other groups. [/quote]

I am not one of those guys who thinks that “all blacks” or “all whites”___________(fill in the blank). However slavery did end 140 years ago!

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[quote]lincono wrote:
there are more whites on welfare that any other race.[/quote]

Again not sterotyping, but there are more whites than blacks in the US. Hence, there should be more whites on welfare. However, percentage wise there are more blacks on welfare.

I draw no conclusions from this because you can blame that on a number of reasons.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Why do you think the evacuation failed in such a misserable way? Would it have failed if more white lives where at risk? We’ll never know, [/quote]

WRECKLESS . . . well, according to people on this thread, it failed because so many are oppressed and economically deprived.

Of course, if you run the numbers you get a different picture, don’t you? Take a look:

There were 1,500,000 people living in NO. The stats I hear are 67% black and 27% poor.

So there were a million (1,000,000) black people of whom 270,000 were poor.

About 100,000 stayed behind and since 99% of the faces I see on TV are black, I’m assuming that most of the stay-behinds were black.

So . . . 1,000,000 blacks . . . 900,000 (or 90%) got out. There were 270,000 poor blacks . . . 170,000 or 63% got out if we assumne only the poor stayed.

Say it another way . . . for every poor, oppressed, economically disenfranchised black that DID NOT get out . . . there were TWO poor, oppressed, economically disenfranchised blacks that figured out how to get out of town.

And the biggest observation, of course . . . why did the 730,000 middle-class (and above) blacks not help out the poor ones?

Let’s not forget the non-black people. There were 500,000 of them . . . 135,000 (27%) were poor.

So somehow 135,000 poor non-blacks figured out a way out of town.

In fact, assuming that the 100,000 that stayed behind were all poor . . . that means that of the 400,000 poor people in New Orleans, over 75% got out of town.

So . . . bottom line . . . this was a pretty succesful evacuation and I don’t see “racial” issues with it.

What I suspect is that many black people are so alienated by their culture that they simply blew off the warning . . . not ALL . . . but many.

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[quote]thabigdon24 wrote:
ProffX:
Nope sorry , the africans just sold slaves from other caputured peoples to the europeans. I know that you dont like admitting that black people enslaved and sold other black people but its a fact. Accept and get over it. [/quote]

What the fuck are you talking about? Anyone who has researched any aspect of the slave trade understands that some of that population was formed from some africans selling others into slavery. This was not the majority and I asked him for numbers to back up what he stated. I damn sure didn’t need the wonderful history lesson from you but gee, thanks anyway.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
lincono wrote:
there are more whites on welfare that any other race.

Again not sterotyping, but there are more whites than blacks in the US. Hence, there should be more whites on welfare. However, percentage wise there are more blacks on welfare.

I draw no conclusions from this because you can blame that on a number of reasons. [/quote]

You are correct, but I brought that up because this is not a racial issue; if we want to survive as a nation, we will need to make some tough choices. I’m not trying to blame anybody, but I am trying to point out that no matter what color you are, public subsidies for breeding needs to end. And for those that think this is too harsh, I suggest you offer to house them in your home.