So exactly what are you trying to say. Blacks have a genetic propensity to violence? Bullshit. It boils down to economics and centuries of discrimination and mistreatment. This doesn’t absolve blacks from improving their own situation as well as a help from society at large. But we don’t exists in a vacum. It’s very ignorant to attempt to judge the current status of this or any issue without considering the history and long-reaching effects.
[quote]randman wrote:
This guy is so obviously bigoted its not even funny.
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Pretzel the 2nd
[quote]Professor X wrote:
http://www.wvoss.com/apracist.jpg
This is just soooo funny![/quote]
Remember that song “Fuck Tha Police”? We need Snoop or somebody to do a new rap song called “187 on the MSM”.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
LBRTRN wrote:
I dont know if that is the case but crying racism at the slightest provocation cant be helpfull.
Ha ha where have you been living? Playing the race card seems to be quite the popular ploy, even on this forum. Wait a few posts and you will see! [/quote]
Interesting… I admit some people play the race card when there isn’t any racism involved. However, Don’t start thinking racism is a non-issue. Racism is still here. Yeah go ahead roll your eyes. As a black male I don’t expect you to understand let alone relate. After all you are not the one still being called the N word in present day california 2005. Or always having to fight the stereotype people place on you everyday. When is the last time you walked past someone’s car and the locked it. Or the last time you went to get your car fixed and the mechanic won’t address you face to face but directs his comment to your friend (who’s white) <—this one happened in west virginia. I could go on and on, but I’m not. I just hate when people think racism is gone when its not. So go ahead those who roll there eyes I always say are living in there own little world. LIke I stated before yes the race card is played when it shouldn’t be. More times than not it is warranted
a quote i feel T-Nation should use in there strong words archive
preconceived notions are the locks to the doors of wisdom —M. Browne
Now that there have been numerous comments on the issue, the question remains what the point of this whole thread is.
[quote]JJJJ wrote:
Here’s some racial profiling for you:
Blacks are more violent than whites.[/quote]
And so on.
It was quite obvious from the start that there would be different opinions and it surprised me that it even took as long as it did until the name calling began. Why start a discussion on such a controversial topic when
a) there seems to be no apparent signification or inducement to do so, and
b) the logic behind the arguments is obviously flawed?
I am all for ‘intensive’ discussions and found some of the posts to be very entertaining, but how can anybody really be surprised that this thread turned out to be what it is? And no, I don’t believe that the colour of skin determines the character traits of a person.
I think you know my stance. Hey, you notice the white kid looks nervous? Like maybe his parents acutally taught him not to steal and even though you can’t blame anyone for taking food and water in this situation, he looks a little guilty.
I also see alot of pretty defensive whites on this board apalled that anyone does not share their racial views. Finally, since you brought it up, why is saying blacks like fried chicken, watermellon, grape soda, macaroni and cheese, kool aid, etc. somehow seen as racist. Even if it’s a false stereotype, still nothing wrong. They are pretty good foods.
[quote]Pretzel Logic wrote:
I think you know my stance. Hey, you notice the white kid looks nervous? Like maybe his parents acutally taught him not to steal and even though you can’t blame anyone for taking food and water in this situation, he looks a little guilty.
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You are small, Pretzel. Every time you post something like this, you get smaller. Pretty soon you will be gone.
Can’t we all just get along??
[quote]madmax wrote:
Interesting… I admit some people play the race card when there isn’t any racism involved. [/quote]
Some people do that. People like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have made a career of it. There are others of lesser stature. Are they do is build walls between races, it’s sick! They do far more harm than good.
I agree it is still here and for many reasons. One reason is the two clowns mentioned above.
Hey I’m not a black male. All kidding aside I know what you meant, but it seems to have come out wrong.
There will always be nasty people in the world, I’m sure your parents told you that…I could share a few stories of my own where I was ostrasized for other reasons, it hurts but then again life is not a picnic is it?
I guess we will simply disagree on this point. The race card is usually played by those who are seeking fame and or money for themselves with little thought for anything else. Johnny Corcoran comes to mind among the many others.
[quote]a quote i feel T-Nation should use in there strong words archive
preconceived notions are the locks to the doors of wisdom —M. Browne
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I like that one. Here’s another:
“Liberty is worth paying for.”
Jules Verne
[quote]JJJJ wrote:
graphicsMan wrote:
It’s all social conditioning.
You can blame society. You can blame individuals. But don’t pin these bad things on all black people.
Why not? Doesn’t the evidence show that black communities are more likely to riot, loot and burn than other communities? Can you point to another ethnic group that behaves like blacks do?
I understand the poverty/class warfare issue . . . but there are all types of poor. When’s the last time dirt poor Polish-Amaricans or Asian-Americans torched their neighborhoods and went on a rampage? How many riots have there been in Appalachia?
Look, I agree . . . for every black asshole shooting at a helicopter, you’ll find 99 that aren’t . . . and I agree that you’ll find lots of white assholes doing bad things too.
But the evidence suggests that blacks, as a gereral social grouping, are more likely to riot, loot and get violent.[/quote]
OK now you listen to me YOU LOUSY RACIST PILE OF VAGINA SHIT, the reason blacks in the US get “violent” more vioent than the whites in the US is the social-economicl diffrences between whites and blacks. Diffrences that were first created by god damned racist pile of shit like you.
[quote]MuscleMachine17 wrote:
OK now you listen to me YOU LOUSY RACIST PILE OF VAGINA SHIT, the reason blacks in the US get “violent” more vioent than the whites in the US is the social-economicl diffrences between whites and blacks. Diffrences that were first created by god damned racist pile of shit like you.
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No - you are just an angry racist yourself. You are no better than JJJJ. Add to that, the fact that you are a reactionary hot-head, and you pretty much ruin any message you might be trying to get across. You have proven this in several of your last posts. Especially the posts in the Kayne West thread.
As a matter of fact - the abject poverty you see many blacks in is a direct result of LBJ’s “Great Society” policies of the 60’s. It was the most racist policy ever instituted because it basically said that the black man was too damned dumb and incapable of creating a life for himself, or his family.
Slavery was very prominent in African societies. Most slaves who came to this country were already slaves in Africa, then sold to the white man.
I do think that one problem in the black community is an inferiority complex. Look, when you name your child L’tisha or Orangejello, let him or her wear ‘gangsta’ clothes, speak ‘ghetto’, these children are not going to fit in well with most middle-class Americans. In the name of “Black Pride”, children are then condemned to poverty and drugs, etc.
I saw a woman recently wearing a shirt that said ‘100% Black Woman’. What would be the reaction if I wore a shirt “100% White Man”? The black community must change or stay in poverty and misery.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
How do you explain all the white people doing all that enslaving from the dawn of time? Those white MF sure seem dangerous to me!
Slavery was very prominent in African societies. Most slaves who came to this country were already slaves in Africa, then sold to the white man.[/quote]
Could you please prove that most slaves in America were slaves already in Africa? I am just looking for numbers here.
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I do think that one problem in the black community is an inferiority complex. Look, when you name your child L’tisha or Orangejello, let him or her wear ‘gangsta’ clothes, speak ‘ghetto’, these children are not going to fit in well with most middle-class Americans. In the name of “Black Pride”, children are then condemned to poverty and drugs, etc. [/quote]
You judge someone’s state of mind by their first name? This is somehow better than “Bobby”, “Bubba”, or “Martha-Sue”? What are “gansta” clothes? Most “middle-class Americans” today understand that Hip Hop has influenced style across the globe. I do believe it fits in pretty damn well today. That would explain the large profit these designers rake in.
I don’t think anyone would say jack shit about a shirt that read “100% white man”. It means nothing and isn’t racist. “100% Puerto Rican”? Nope, doesn’t mean a damn thing. What it does show is your own intolerance that you even look that hard for difference.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
As a matter of fact - the abject poverty you see many blacks in is a direct result of LBJ’s “Great Society” policies of the 60’s. It was the most racist policy ever instituted because it basically said that the black man was too damned dumb and incapable of creating a life for himself, or his family.
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This is nonsense. While many of LBJ’s intiatives failed, the Viet Nam war was a very large reason for that. The two key components of Johnson’s Great Society reform were the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which outlawed the literacy tests used to prevent blacks from voting, and the Medicare bill of 1965, which provided a system of health insurance for the elderly under the Social Security program.
Could you please tell me how stopping racist systems in place to keep blacks from voting and the institution of Medicare caused poverty? You called it a racist initiative. America was racist. If it was difficult to even vote, difficult to get an education, and difficult to find decent jobs, how could any program designed to end this be described as negatively racist? The alternative at the time was?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t think anyone would say jack shit about a shirt that read “100% white man”. It means nothing and isn’t racist. “100% Puerto Rican”? Nope, doesn’t mean a damn thing. What it does show is your own intolerance that you even look that hard for difference. [/quote]
I disagree. Not with the fact that it SHOULDN’T mean anything, but with the assupmtion that no one would say anything. I think the PC crowd would most definitely find racist overtones in anything that proposes pride in something even remotely W.A.S.P.-male.
[quote]randman wrote:
Can you explain to me how one “acts black” and “acts white”?[/quote]
Only if you first explain to me how one “acts purple” …
Bastard
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This is nonsense. While many of LBJ’s intiatives failed, the Viet Nam war was a very large reason for that. The two key components of Johnson’s Great Society reform were the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which outlawed the literacy tests used to prevent blacks from voting, and the Medicare bill of 1965, which provided a system of health insurance for the elderly under the Social Security program.
Could you please tell me how stopping racist systems in place to keep blacks from voting and the institution of Medicare caused poverty? You called it a racist initiative. America was racist. If it was difficult to even vote, difficult to get an education, and difficult to find decent jobs, how could any program designed to end this be described as negatively racist? The alternative at the time was?[/quote]
I’m not talking about the Civil Rights Act of 1964, nor am I referring to the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
Although they were a part of the Great Society, they are not what caused the Great Society to be such a horrible exoeriment.
I think Medicare was given to too many folks, and made an entitlement that has bloated the medical costs of regular people. Not a good thing in my opinion. Most of the times the gov’t gets involved in industry - it is a very bad thing.
Most specifically the Economic Opportunity Act is what caused the failure of the Great Society. Job Corps has been a colossal waste of tax dollars ever since it was created.
The government can’t give away money to poor folks just because they are poor. If you can’t see the Welfare system for the horrible cancer it was, then you have been wearing blinders.
And who was the largest recipient of the welfare system? Blacks. Specifically black females that were rewarded for having out of wedlock babies. They were rewarded with more money. It created an entire generation of poor that had never known independence. Which is what we are seeing in NO.
And it all started with LBJ.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
How do you explain all the white people doing all that enslaving from the dawn of time? Those white MF sure seem dangerous to me!
Slavery was very prominent in African societies. Most slaves who came to this country were already slaves in Africa, then sold to the white man.
I do think that one problem in the black community is an inferiority complex. Look, when you name your child L’tisha or Orangejello, let him or her wear ‘gangsta’ clothes, speak ‘ghetto’, these children are not going to fit in well with most middle-class Americans. In the name of “Black Pride”, children are then condemned to poverty and drugs, etc.
I saw a woman recently wearing a shirt that said ‘100% Black Woman’. What would be the reaction if I wore a shirt “100% White Man”? The black community must change or stay in poverty and misery.
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the original post was from me, I just wanted to make a really, really simple argument too.
I am perfectly aware that everybody pretty much enslaved everybody given the chance throughout history, using anything to justify that, color of skin, religion, whatever.
[quote]Bastard Guy wrote:
randman wrote:
Can you explain to me how one “acts black” and “acts white”?
Only if you first explain to me how one “acts purple” …
Bastard[/quote]
First you have to grow an antenna and a tv-set on your belly. Then you have to get a tv-show,where it won?t take long for a televangelist to point out that you are gay.
It?s really hard to be purple, that is why so few choose to be purple.
[quote]orion wrote:
First you have to grow an antenna and a tv-set on your belly. Then you have to get a tv-show,where it won?t take long for a televangelist to point out that you are gay.
It?s really hard to be purple, that is why so few choose to be purple.
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In your zeal to be witty, and oh so freakin funny, you failed to realize that the reference to purple was because of randman’s avatar - which is? Yes - a PURPLE dinosaur.