Well that is an interesting thought. Why would a white kid that is placed in an upper/middle class white family emulate blacks? There is no reason for it unless he is socialized to do so by the culture whom he associates with it. I’m sorry but this is not an innate thing bred in white children, just like its not in blacks.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Crime was Widespread in the hit areas…just didn’t hit the news…and there was nothing as large as a “Wal-Mart SuperCenter” being looted to “showcase”…
Mufasa
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Anything worth stealing was washed away.
I did here plenty of stories of violence and rape after the tsunami. These things happen anywhere with a major natural disaster. Some people are evil and predatory. If these same people have access to an entire walmart full of guns, they are going to do a lot of damage.
JJJJ-
How about Africa, has it produced a significantly higher level of crime, violence, etc. than any other continent? or noticeable at all? Due to its extremely high % of black residents.
TR
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
…You will ALWAYS get on a slippery slope when attributing “total goodness” or “total evil” to a group or race of people…
I could say (and rightly so) that most of the crime that the original poster has raled on is mostly a) black-on-black and b) confined to relatively small areas like Watts, Harlem and inner-city (and VERY poor) New Orleans…
While historically the atrocities of whites have engulfed regions, Civilizations and whole cultures…coupled with the creation and invention of ever-increasing weapons of death and destruction…(not many guys named “Leroy” or “Silas” or “Puff-Daddy” in those original Karishnokov, Colt, Winchester, or Spanish ,French, English and American Armories and Weapons factories…or involved in The Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, British Colonization, Wounded Knee, the Manhattan Project or at Krakow…)
Does this make my white brothers, sisters and friends inherently evil?
No…and it’s a ridiculous (and dangerous) to even entertain the thought…
Mufasa
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Mufasa, your wasting your time with these people. Derek, welcome to the biggot club. Just say what JJJJ has basically been saying all along.
Blacks are inferior to whites. They’re prone to violence, rape, but also have a gift for music and love chicken and watermelon. Does that about sum it up for you guys?
[quote]derek wrote:
All I want to add here is that POVERTY IS NO EXCUSE FOR RIOTING OR CRIME. Just look at crime rates in and around the Great Depression. I dare to say racism was more widespread then than now. In light of this, please SOMEONE try to make a coherant excuse for the rioting, shootings, looting and rapes now (and the LA riots for that matter).
By the way, during the aftermath of the Tsunami (which victimized a populace MUCH more destitute than New Orleans et. al), were there riots, rapes, shootings, large scale looting, murders? Honestly I don’t remember reading anything about that stuff then.[/quote]
So, because you didn’t read about it, this means there were none? I am laughing at “The Red1’s” posts because at least twice in this thread he has shown that there is more of an issue with the way media has approached this event than truth. A picture of a white kid holding food from a store he is coming out of is described as “emerging with food”. A black family leaves a store with food and it is described as “looters steal food”. I mean, the pictures are right there along with their captions from the SAME source. Now that you have been told that there were people taking advantage of the Tsunami just as there are people taking advantage of this, do you still want to approach this as if “race” causes crime?
I dont agree with the racial profiling. However lets just say that i wouldnt want to be a lone white guy in inner NO. Racism goes both ways, and its allways the lone guy thats to blame.
I understood that the dome started simple enough but eventually broke into racial lines. Racism and violence has allways been part of american culture, for all racial groups. You all split into your racial groups and live together, rather then disperse. No, america has to learn from this. Its not “the human condition”, its american culture. Other countries have reacted to worse situations very differently.
Ever see that movie with John Travolta in it where the roles are switched around and the whites are poor and the blacks are not?
[quote]Beatnik wrote:
I dont agree with the racial profiling. However lets just say that i wouldnt want to be a lone white guy in inner NO. Racism goes both ways, and its allways the lone guy thats to blame.[/quote]
I wouldn’t want to be a lone white guy in a redneck bar while wearing a clean shirt.
I’ve personally witnessed my father getting camouflaged up and sneaking through the mountains to go to work. I’ve seen men fire weapons, to the point that no one would come up the road unless they were in an armored car. I’ve seen people flying in helicopters to get to work. I’ve had to move with my family to a rented house because it got so bad. All of this because of the violence by “white” men. This is not a racial issue, you ignorant bitch.
The real racists here are the media. That “finding food” versus “looting” is BS, and it pisses me off. I knew there was a reason I hated the MSM besides their BS Iraq coverage. Now they are fucking it up in NOLA too. Bastards.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
…You will ALWAYS get on a slippery slope when attributing “total goodness” or “total evil” to a group or race of people…
No…and it’s a ridiculous (and dangerous) to even entertain the thought[/quote]
Mufasa, I’m not saying that blacks are evil. I’m looking at violence as a characteristic of groups. I’m talking about social groupings in the US . . . a black neighborhood compared to a white neighborhood. I’m saying that the black neighborhood is more violent.
And I’m saying that the basic reasons given to explain the difference, don’t explain the difference. And so since there is no explanation, you have to conclude that black social groups are more violent.
And finally I’m saying that the real problem is that we can’t even talk about this subject without people starting the name calling and tossing around terms like bigot and racist.
[quote]randman wrote:
Blacks are inferior to whites. They’re prone to violence, rape, but also have a gift for music and love chicken and watermelon. Does that about sum it up for you guys?
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Randman, the point I tried to make in my first post is that no one can initiate a serious discussion about the race thing without being attacked as a bigot and a racist by people like you . . . people who, by the way, offer no constructive analysis or valid counter-arguments . . . just the same smirky pap . . . and lots of name-calling and insults.
It’s the same mindset that keeps us from racially profiling Arab men at airports.
I think this thread proves that point:
We can’t look at racial issues OBJECTIVELY in this country.
[quote]JJJJ wrote:
And I’m saying that the basic reasons given to explain the difference, don’t explain the difference.[/quote]
Yes they do. You are too intellectually lazy to analyze this beyond a racial thing. A lot of people have pointed out how you are wrong. And they are right, sorry.
Those terms apply quite plainly to you. I don’t see the problem here. You have stated several times that you are calling black neighborhoods more violent. That is the essence of racism and bigotry… casting aspersions on an entire race because of the poor example set by a very few.
I can take your EXACT logic and come to the conclusion that white neighborhoods are trailer park trash who constantly have the police intervening in domestic disturbances caused by alcoholism. If your worldview holds the black culture as more riotous than other races, then you must necessarily hold that the white culture cultivates a hatred and abuse of our women.
Or else that would make you a hypocrite as well.
http://www.wvoss.com/apracist.jpg
This is just soooo funny!
I have read a couple of posts that say if you put someone in a whatever family they will act a certain way. Well, that is true to a point because If you take a white kid and put him in Colonel Powells family he’ll probably act “white” which in your case you are referring to civil.
I live in a poor neighborhood, if you go to the intersection near my house you’ll find one corner has a dealer, another one has some hookers, her pimp is down the street, and a gang of Sex Jerks is sitting on the porch of a house. You’ll hear car alarms going off and shootings through the night. My neighborhood is pre-dominately black and mexican, most of the people here are civil. Most people here would rather have an education, and live happily somewhere else.
A lot of Middle-Upper class white kids act “black”, which I would like to change because they don’t act black they act like inner city poor folks. Now, I said poor, because most people that act and speak and eat and dress like this are poor, they hang out with people of majority which in my area are black. So, guess how the media shows me acting “black” they expect me to go and wear some clothes that I have never seen before, that none of my friends wear. I don’t act black, I act like I was raised. I can speak proper english, I can also talk street.
At the end of the day I still know something I bet most of you don’t understand but you could.
I would say you don’t understand that when your poor you’ll do anything, that’s not the right words to say. What it is that we go through is that when you don’t have anything there isn’t anything to lose. When your family has to miss a meal because the check writer doesn’t feel like staying after work to write the rest of the checks that day (and claims that he has 30 days to give you that check). You don’t mind going and breaking into those rich peoples place down the street, to steal there SUV.
Upper class people ask well if people are poor then why do they wear the clothes they wear, they cost so much! They wear them because most people don’t like to look poor. They buy expensive clothes, dress their best when they can. Poor people I have found out do something other people don’t do as well and will doubtfully ever do as well, that’s take care of their stuff. If you could watch my daily routine, you’d think I had gone threw boot camp. My clothes are perfect and they never get dirty. My pants don’t have holes in them, they hardly fade. My shirts are always ironed. My hats, they may be crooked but they still look cleaner then yours.
Ok done talking shit.
I think trouble makers naturally band together no matter what race,so they can out number someone to try and take advantage of them, be it rape,robbery or just beating someone they feel like.I have been attacked twice by groups both all white, the first time 12 guys jumped me and another guy and girl,most of them were cops kids that got there kicks that way.another time me and 2 girls were attacked by 6 drunks just lookin for someone to pick on.I am white.In the area i live in now you are right all the dope & meth dealers that steal and cause all the trouble come from the 3 local trailer parks and are white.
JJJJ,
[quote]JJJJ wrote:
derek wrote:
By the way, during the aftermath of the Tsunami (which victimized a populace MUCH more destitute than New Orleans et. al), were there riots, rapes, shootings, large scale looting, murders? Honestly I don’t remember reading anything about that stuff then.
No there were not. And in NONE of the well-documented urban floods and earthquakes in Chinese and Japanese cities (maybe 15-20 in the last 100 years) there has NEVER been the level of urban violence that we saw as a result of this flood, . . . or the police acquital in the first Rodney King trial, or the assassination of MLK or the blackouts. [/quote]
A quick look into Japanese history disproves your hypothesis:
"The Great Kanto Earthquake (Kantō daishinsai) struck the Kanto plain on the Japanese main island of Honshu at 11:58 on the morning of September 1, 1923. The quake was later estimated to have had a magnitude between 7.9 and 8.3 on the Richter scale. It destroyed the Japanese port city of Yokohama as well as the surrounding prefectures of Chiba, Kanagawa, Shizuoka, and Tokyo.
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Over 570,000 homes were destroyed, leaving an estimated 1.9 million homeless or refugees. The damage is estimated to have exceeded one billion U.S. dollars at contemporary values.
The chaos and panic created by the earthquake led to rumours of Koreans looting and committing arson. Hundreds, perhaps thousands of Koreans and people from Okinawa were killed by civilian militias. The total death toll for Koreans including those killed by the disaster was estimated at around 6,000. In many places, check points were established to check whether travellers were looters or merely trespassers. Socialists like Hirasawa Keishichi and anarchists like Osugi Sakae and Ito Noe were killed because of the fear that they would use this opportunity to overthrow the government."
I don’t like your argument, as it shows considerable bias and belief in widely disproven correlations. I hope this is a sign of disinformation rather than confirmed racism.
Makkun
[quote]StevenF wrote:
Ever see that movie with John Travolta in it where the roles are switched around and the whites are poor and the blacks are not? [/quote]
What movie is that? I’d be very interested in seeing it. Be a good dramatization of a point I made earlier.
[quote]PSlave wrote:
StevenF wrote:
Ever see that movie with John Travolta in it where the roles are switched around and the whites are poor and the blacks are not?
What movie is that? I’d be very interested in seeing it. Be a good dramatization of a point I made earlier.[/quote]
I’ll look it up right now its real interesting. Its called “White Man’s Burden”.
That shits not necessary, we were clean clothes now, come on…