The Race Thread - 2021

I think this is what I said, in different and more words.

It was perpetrated by all governments in the U.S. because they needed to do so in order to get what they wanted.

I agree.

It was a forced compromise. It would be disingenuous to say that the North and South were equally wrong in this. The South could very easily (well, we know it wouldn’t have been easy for them) said slavery is wrong and we would never have had a civil war, Jim Crow, the KKK, etc. All of that is their responsibility.

Nope. “Human rights” is a peculiarly Christian concept.

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Okay

Good thing your Capitalist boss started took the financial risk to start the company and makes enough profit to make it worth his while.

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Glad he did

One of the very good reasons that I oppose reparations. The CSA hasn’t existed since 1865. The USA abolished slavery at great cost. What about reparations for the descendants of people killed in the fight to abolish slavery?

The thing about slavery reparations is that even if you assume all black people today are descended from slaves and all white people are descended from slaveholders, the guilt and victimhood of people living today is dubious considering no one living today was involved.

And that doesn’t even go into the fact that the above assumption is very obviously wrong. Many white people were abolitionists. Some were even slaves (although not many in the US). Many black people weren’t slaves and some were even slaveholders and traders (once again, not generally in the US).

Reparations for more recent things such as Jim Crow and redlining make sense on an individual basis where specific damages can be shown to a specific individual. But I wouldn’t think of that as reparations. That’s just being compensated for actual damages inflicted on an individual. The same thing should apply to slavery except that the victims are all dead (and the organizations and individuals that inflicted the damage are dead or defunct).

I understand the argument that guilt should not be assuaged just because a lot of time has passed (particularly when the guilty party used its influence to prevent the redress of wrongs on a more expedient time scale). However, the reality is that once two people are dead, the damage that they did to each other cannot be compensated by mortal means.

This is the only thing you’ve written that makes sense.

HUMANS as in EVERYONE made society. We change it by changing up the way we live, think, do shit. We don’t get a bunch of people in the government to do it for us. Corporations got big by supply and demand along with government aid.

Humans created this demand. Humans voted in the government.

Since a functioning government is essential for a society, it’s a necessary evil. The fucking pair of Nikes you buy isn’t.

The gov’t is stupid and I hope Bernie’s reconciliation bill gets passed. Corporate lobbying and that stupid filibuster. All the good bills get blocked and poor/middle class morons wanna act like true American military eagle ballsack patriot.

Have you ever taken into consideration certain things like increased corporate taxation ALSO increases taxes for SMEs and the regulations put into place for such taxation include complex revisions to corporate tax laws and increased accounting processes for submission of financial statements to ensure compliance, which will increase costs for SMEs with less economies of scale and lower competition, leading to higher fucking prices and more barriers to entry into the market, giving the existing corporations more power?

You just told me that capitalism is flawed basically.

NOTHING isn’t flawed. You go with what is the least flawed. That’s reality.

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Flawed

You’re a master of stating the obvious.

Yep.

Is this the online version of covering your ears and going, “I can’t hear you! Hahaha!”?

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Bro, what does this even mean.

If you wanna get into political debates, haha, you might wanna type out coherent sentences, haha.

And realize that some (all?) posters have more life experience than you. Military service, law enforcement experience, teaching experience, from foreign countries and have a broader worldview than many Americans, etc. Most people aren’t completely talking out of their ass when they say this stuff. It’s just like listening to Pwn and others when they give you lifting advice.

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I was describing republicans lol.

SGLI. Facetious of course, but servicemembers dying in war haven’t been wronged, per se, so I’m not sure it’s apples-to-apples.

Concur that the guilt is dubious, at best. But again, this is not about assigning blame but rather taking responsibility to ensure that a wrong has been fully rectified.

Concur that actionable solutions are likely local and specific. Regarding the last two sentences, reparations and damages are basically synonymous to my understanding. Open to being convinced otherwise though.

Are all Republicans dumb “ballsacks”?